Bloody bastard weight loss

[Shabang21]

Help please!

I’m so bloody sick of feeling like shit, being constantly tired, aching, jumping from one weight loss thing to another and literally getting NOWHERE. Besides stapling my mouth shut, what can I do? I look around and SO MANY people are dropping weight by the tonne, they surely can’t all be on weight loss jabs, cos they’re so expensive?

I have tried; Keto, slim fast, exante, slimming world, weight watchers, fast 800, calorie counting. It starts promising ish, but nothing seems to stick?

So please, let me know what worked for you, and if it’s even worth bothering now; I’ve been trying to shift weight for 15 years, all I’ve done is got heavier and I’m so sick of this shit!!

If you read my post, you will see that I said, diet don't work either.

Nor will weight loss injections.

Nothing will work until you change your lifestyle and stick to it.

No, you can't have takeaways and sweets and chocolates and crisps and biscuits and eat whatever quantity you like in, expect to remain a healthy weight.

You have to cut all this stuff out. And eat a healthy balanced diet full of fruit vegetables fiber protein and stick to it for the rest of your life.

It's not easy and most people can't do it, but that is the only answer.

I don't need your studies.Thank you very much.I already said diets don't work.

The problem with repeated dieting is it messes up your hunger signals/metabolism so the next diet is harder to stick to because you are even more hungry when you start restricting. I got to a point where I would be feeling faint/getting migraines with hunger, but still not losing an ounce. The WLI sorts out that internal thermostat, as long as you take them . I expect to be taking it long term, maybe at a reduced dose.

It's not about simply educating yourself about new habits. Few people can force themselves to exist in a permanent state of hunger, any more than you could stop drinking or sleeping or breathing.

Unfortunately the only "cure" for obesity (dieting) also makes it worse.

Firstly, thank you all so much for taking the time to reply with really considered responses - definitely beats my husband saying “just eat less then?”

I absolutely can “do” WLI (I think?) but I think I would have to pay for them as I don’t have any pre-existing conditions, and I’m struggling financially. It’s really interesting to hear that those of you using them haven’t noticed a massive dent in your finances, that’s definitely food for thought (pun intended). That said, my husband would not be okay about it, and rightly or wrongly, I would have to hide it from him and others, cos I seem to be surrounded by effortlessly healthy people.

For diets, I can stick with them for a bit but not long, as I get so bloody depressed, food is all I can think about, and then husband will suggest a takeaway and then that’s all fucked. The one thing I did best on was intermittent fasting, but I don’t know if I have the will power over the holidays tbh.

I know I sound so miserable, but it just seems like a losing battle? I will definitely take time to go back over everything you’ve all said though, and try and take it all on. Hopefully I’ll feel more positive tomorrow!

Do you mean since January? Well done.

Do you have much more to lose?

Thank you for being so kind. I have about 4.5 stone to list to get into a healthy weight bracket. I struggle with everything - I’m such a dairy addict, and I love bread, cheese, chocolate…. But if I’m being honest, I’ll eat anything. Even if I’m not hungry, which is stupid, but there you go.

That’s so impressive, well done! Can I be nosy and ask whether you found it easy to avoid the usual pitfalls? I genuinely can’t believe that I just wouldn’t be hungry - I feel like I’m always hungry!

What you have described is colloquially known as 'a diet'

A diet is what we refer to, when we talk about someone reducing their intake so that they lose weight, ie calorie deficit. You can call it the new phrase 'lifestyle changes' but it essentially means reducing your calorie intake in a particular way. Same with any 'diet'.

The phrase 'your diet' refers to our intake, what we eat, everyone has a diet, because thats what we eat

You eat less than your requirements to lose weight, you eat more to gain weight and you eat the same as your requirements to stay the same.

A diet.

I know you said you've tried slimming world, but it is genuinely the only thing that has worked consistently for me.
I lost 5 stone the first time round, and kept it off for over a year, as I kept going to group every week. Then covid hit, and I couldn't go to group...put on 2.5 stone over the next few years. Back to SW, lost the 2.5 stone. I still go to group every week. I have to. It keeps me accountable, I can't kid myself, so any gains don't get out of hand. Really useful tips for meals/ low calorie snacks from other members.
As others have said, you need make the change permanent. I don't seem to be able to do it on my own, so accept I will need to keep going. I joke I'm like an alcoholic going to meetings, but it does really work for me.

Paul McKenna
If you can pay £34.99 a Year to your App Store you can get his app with access to all or majority of his hypnotherapy courses. This includes the “I can make you Thin” and the hypnotic gastric band.

That’s incredible good going, well done! I did manage to lose a stone on SW when I first went, and having people notice was amazing, but then COVID hit and I whacked it all back in, and then going back it was a different leader and different people and I just didn’t seem to get on as well? That said, I am looking into groups nearby again x x

I did actually try the gastric band one and it did nothing. I also tried a hypnosis video and it made me feel so anxious I turned it off half way through 😂

No, it's not a diet. It's about eating protein, fibre, fruit and vegetables.Instead of refined carbs and chocolate and biscuits and sweets and crisps

Stuff that keeps you full, you know

Two boiled eggs have less calories than a chocolate bar but which one will leave you fuller.

OK so I conceded defeat to you.Nothing works. Not one person ever in the history of mankind has ever been able to exercise any self control over what they eat. Not one person can make healthy choices without it being called a diet

FunnyHow there are many, many, many people in this country that aren't obese and can control what they put in their mouth.

But you win, nothing works.

Having a takeaway and deciding it’s all fucked is a mindset thing. One meal does not ruin your diet or lifestyle. At the same time if a takeaway is a regular occurrence you have to work that into your daily or weekly calorie budget. You can’t just say fuck it and eat 3000 calories and then give up on the rest of your new way of eating. Look into the nutrition of the stuff on the menu, skip the carbs and eat the meat and veg and make sure you eat something filling at lunch so you aren’t ravenous. Nearly all takeaway and restaurant places have something you can work with. If not it’s a case of small portions.

It’s very easy to have a blowout which is why I track everything honestly and if I’ve gone over one day I make it up the next.

it’s not unusual for people to start a diet in a Monday and eat 800 calories, they manage it for three days and then have a treat and then say fuck it. You’ve then averaged 2000 calories a day and maintained or gained weight even though you feel you’ve had some very deprived days.

being consistent with a small deficit and working at not being derailed by the odd meal will help you massively.

Find low calorie foods that fill you up, fat free Greek (not Greek style) yoghurt with berries and a sprinkle of bran flakes is a good one, 10 calorie jelly, lean cold meats, bowls of salad with balsamic vinegar, daahls, air popped popcorn, loads of things. But finding your foods and having them prepped and ready for you to eat really helps.

the aim is not to be starving, not to get to the point where you are bored or can’t do it another day.

If you can’t believe that you won’t be hungry then have a look at the posts on one of the mounjaro support threads - so many posts about people’s amazement at the food noise disappearing in the first week!

They aren’t for everyone and there is a lot of divided opinion but they work for lots of people.

I think it takes a lot longer than we think. Especially compared to being younger. And protein helped.
i have done the jabs and lots the same amount of weigh without them.
Jabs - my hair fell out and I put it all back in as I hadn’t learnt to change my behavior/conditioning.
I have paid money for a program that since February I have lost 12.1 kilo. I think I have paid the equivalent to the jabs but I have begun and continue to change my understanding of myself and my behaviors. I have been on holiday for 2 weeks and maintained my weight. I am learning to be kinder to myself and less perfectionist.
It’s basically calorie counting, step goal and protein goal- and really the protein keeps me pretty much as full as the jab did but without the occasional sickness feeling I had. But there are also webinars and check ins and support.
Happy to share details if ppl want them. Also don’t want to advertise something if it’s not allowed.

It’s not stupid, it’s emotional eating. There are ways of managing it, but pausing for a few minutes, make sure foods are as inaccessible as possible and think
what am I thinking
what am I feeling
what am I hoping to get from this

check in on yourself, are you bored / lonely / unfulfilled/ sad / happy

fix the missing thing, go for a walk, read a book, text a friend, have a shower, sit with the emotion and notice it and let it pass.

the biggest thing is making it as hard as possible to eat crap in that moment. Break the cycle of fixing with food.

also buy really nice healthy food and eat it slowly, savour it, notice how it nourishes you and really enjoy it. Really good fruit, nice veggies and a healthy dip, make really delicious salad. Have delicious healthy food really easily accessible.

HRTFT and I hope this doesn’t sound simplistic, but I read something the other day to suggest that the body doesn’t always know what it’s hungry for and can give hunger signals when actually it’s thirsty or bored or tired, or feeling some sort of emotion. Is it feasible for you to consider whether this might be playing a part?

I’m sure it’s true for me. And I have lost a little bit recently (only 5kg) by
— reducing my portions at dinner time (I felt angry and hungry for a week but then had to admit I was ok);

• swapping a sandwich for a salad with fish or other protein (those cooked salmon pieces, or chicken, or lentils, or halloumi);
• and cutting out 2/3 milky coffees and just having one (made with oat milk, I don’t know how relevant that is).
• I also try and let 12 hours or more pass between dinner and breakfast, so my first drink is now green tea because the milk in tea or coffee counts as breaking the fast.

BUT at weekends I still have wine and cake, if I want it. Steak and chips one Friday a month, just a few fewer chips. Chinese on a Saturday but no rice.

I’m not good at diets- as a student I used to used the “broccoli and cigarettes diet” to lose a bit in advance of going out in a tiny dress! and I hate following rules around food (although have a million rules myself based on very little nutritional knowledge!) and I also don’t like feeling deprived. I hated doing this to begin with but actually am used to it now and as it’s a Monday- Friday thing I can still indulge at the weekend if I want to. Hopefully I’ll lose a few more kg over the next few months and then it’ll stabilise somewhere healthy, and my eating will be possible to maintain.

If you have your own money you can get the jab without him knowing. Don't know where these folk are getting their mounjaro from for 15£ a week, as once you go up the doses it tends to get a bit more spendy than the hundred pounds or so they charge you for the initial dose to lure you in.
Even changing suppliers all the time means it's closer to two hundred once you're on the highest doses, anyhow I'm a few months in and haven't told anyone including my husband, I choose suppliers that deliver via royal mail then pick it up at my post office, it doesn't have to be refrigerated after opening so lives in my drawer, it's life changing, I do intermittent fasting and v low cal, easy on mounjaro, which I'll do a version of once I stop, I'd micro dose but because this is off guidance suppliers don't support it,
If you can somehow find the money do it, you won't look back.
The easiest thing I've ever done 3 and half stones down size 8 feel fantastic.

Only thing that has worked for me and I’ve kept it off is calorie counting. I lost 7 stone over 18 months and haven’t put anything back on in the last 7 months. Work out your TDEE, stick to it and don’t be discouraged by one day of going over your calories.

Just pick one way of losing weight and stick with it. You need patience and self-discipline, whatever method you choose. If you fall off the wagon one day, take a deep breath and carry on with the diet the next day. There really is no quick, easy way to lose weight without surgery, medication or serious illness.

I’ve always lost weight through calorie counting and more steps. Check your TDEE and eat 500-1000 cals less a day. It’s not easy but it works.

That’s exactly what I’m doing but with the help of the injections. The injection backs up my willpower while I revolutionise my eating habits, eating healthy, clean and whole foods. It’s going to take me a long while, but I hope I can stick at this food regime long term.

Im always baffled by those who say you save money on the injections by buying less food. I still have a good appetite and the fruit and veg seems to cost more than chocolate! The injection is expensive but a lot of people spend more on car loans, tv subscriptions etc, which I don’t have.

I've never been really overweight thanks to always having done a lot of exercise, but over the last few years for a variety of reasons it has been creeping on. Around the end of 2023 it got to a point where I couldn't make any more excuses for what the mirror was telling me - it was clear that while I may have still been running 30 miles per week, I was eating 32 miles per week.

There was no way I was going to go through the drudgery of counting every calorie I ate so I just stopped eating breakfast and pretty much stopped snacking (not that I was a big snacker anyway). I was surprised how quickly I got used to it and it worked - I did feel pretty hungry for an hour or so before mealtimes but I just got it in my head that that's what losing weight feels like.

I’d aim for the 500 calories under TDEE. https://www.forbes.com/health/nutrition/tdee-calculator/ particularly if you find it hard to stick to a deficit. As you lose weight you’ll need to recalculate it.

it only works if you are very accurate with your weighing and measuring, you might not have to do it for life, but for highly calorific foods it’s very important to measure. Think cheese, butter, meat, milk and snack foods, very easy to consume a lot more than you assume. Measure out portion sizes, cereal is very easy to over consume. Vegetable? Meh it’s not going to make a huge difference if you eat 100g of broccoli or 200.

this is the reason it’s so hard to maintain after losing apparently, and if it’s true it really isn’t fair!- https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdxB1agV/