To think this journalist from the independent is rather deluded ?

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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/m-s-trans-employee-teenager-bra-fitting-rowling-b2802822.html#comments-area

Couldn't read it but going by the title, bullshit. Teenage girls are notoriously self conscious about their bodies. No decent mother would ever allow them to be fitted for a first bra by a man. Any women who did do that are an absolute disgrace

Journalist is a virtue signalling prick. Willing to offer up her own daughter to prove how progressive she is.

The journalist asked her teenage daughter whether she would have been distressed. By being asked by a trans person if she needed help on the lingerie department, and she said she’d have hated anyone asking her that whether or not they were trans. So presumably her daughter is also deluded.

What would you say if you heard, for example, that a person of colour working in M&S had approached a teenage customer and politely offered assistance, only for the teenager to feel uncomfortable, the parent to be outraged and complain about their “distress” – and the store to write an apology?

I can't believe she wrote this! 🫨

Is this satire?!!!

Read the report. There is nothing at all to suggest that the employee was definitely trans and nothing saying that the employee was trying to get a look at the girl. A member of staff asking generally if help is required is very different to, 'A man wanted to cop a feel of my child.'

Some horrendous errors in just a few paragraphs of rubbish
a) interpretation of what her daughter said to support her agenda, when it didn't,
b) making a comparative analysis that isn't comparative with POC,
c) making a factually inaccurate statement to add drama 'Trans people have effectively been banned from public spaces', they haven't
And who uses their 13 year old child and their bra fitting experience to further their agenda and get something published. Hope she got well paid for it and buys her daughter some new clothes, she deserves them.
You would have hoped for better from the Independent, but obviously not. No wonder the print media is in decline when they print this. Fortunately, most people see this BS for what it is. The days of men forcing their entitlement to the detriment of women under the guise of a trans agenda and anyone who disagrees being labelled phobic, are disappearing, fortunately. Some, like this journalist, still think it is the next civil rights movement to address injustices and have to write this garbage. It's not, and never has been and the irony of the agenda that puts back hard won sex based rights, is lost completely on people who write this stuff.

I read the article. The writer is a privileged idiot.

@RemusLupinsBiggestGroupiea man should not be asking a teenager if they need help in the lingerie department

Except there’s no proof this happened.

One wonders how this journalist identifies or are they an escapee from the Guardian?

Virtue signalling crap. I don't know any adult women who would be happy to be fitted for a bra by a man,never mind a teenage girl.

Marks and Spencer themselves have admitted that the incident took place, because they have apologised for it and offered the mother an appointment with a female fitter.

If they could have wriggled off the hook by saying it didn’t happen, do you think they would have fessed up?

BTW there are at least eight TIM working in female departments in M&S, according to other complaints.

Screenshots of the letter from Marks and Spencer are widely available. I saw them on Twitter/X and an online newspaper. M&S didn't deny it.
I saw a reply from the girl's Mum on one of the Twitter threads.

Funny how the same journalist admits to being made to feel deeply uneasy by males crossing her boundaries - maybe if they were being equally creepy but wearing a dress it would all be OK, and she’d just be a transphobe.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/stella-creasy-tube-london-underground-harassment-men-misogyny-b2790666.html

I think some of the women who say stuff like this assume that they will have a Haley Cropper kind of demure, gay, male. Which some women might not mind for a bra fitting whatever he was wearing.

When instead they find a large, clearly male, heterosexual person with their 13 year old daughter in the change room, I do wonder if some discomfort might creep in.

First post nailed it.

There is nothing normal or appropriate with a grown man asking to assist a teenage girl with her underwear.

The one thing that has changed, on the whole, is Gen Alpha’s greater understanding and empathy towards those around them. And so much the better.

⬆️ From the article. It’s more ‘Be kind to men, you nasty women’ bullshit dressed up as empathy.

That journalist could be best friends with my mother, who was so happy for kudos from her mates for having the priest over for dinner that she'd say things like "he just loves children so much" when he sat on the sofa rubbing my back and trying to undo my bra. All her maternal instincts and safeguarding out of the window because she was willing to offer me up so she'd get fawned over for being cool.

Had the person offering to help my 13-year-old daughter in the M&S undies department been trans, I would have had no problem with it – and crucially, neither would she. How do I know? I asked her.

My daughter’s exact response (with the inevitable bit of exasperated sighing) to being helped, or even fitted, was: “I’d hate anyone measuring me, Mummy. Why would it make any difference if they were trans?”

Does anyone believe her daughter actually said that?

She sounds like that Catherine Tate posh mum.

Argh, horrible. Hope you didn’t have to see his face again?

Read the article properly, folks!
The (possibly) trans person asked a girl and her mum if they needed help. It is NOT reported that they measured or offered to measure for or fit a bra.
M&S have apologised that the girl's experience was not what she'd hoped for. They have not admitted to any wrongdoing.
All that actually happened was the (possibly) trans person offered customer service - ie they did their job.

Firstly just using the descriptor ‘trans’ is utterly misleading and she knows it. It’s about a male being enabled to fit a young teenage girl her first bra. Totally unacceptable. A female trans person (a woman) would have been no issue. Thank you M&S for accepting your error.

Secondly What the Actual Fuck was she thinking writing the paragraph comparing the scenario to one with ‘a person of colour’?

The journalist needs to be sacked for that. Absolutely shocking.

People supporting male employees (however they may identify) offering to help teenage girls in the lingerie section have truly lost the plot.

I was served on a roll by a trans identifying male in a large retailer - I have no problem with that, but his leggings were so tight fitting I could see his meat and two veg, which is inappropriate in a customer service setting.

If he was wandering round the lingerie section (it was not M&S, but did have such a section) it would have been totally inappropriate.

She has no shame. Equating people of colour with male sex fetishists! There is no bar set so low that these misogynists won’t go lower.