Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

[Holmints]

I’m seeing this so much on social media. People screaming from the rooftops how they love their bodies. Hate comments come and they combat them with body positivity, I admired them so much.

Lately though, the very people who were oh-so-body-positive are popping back up five stone lighter. Some comment on it and some don’t, as if they’re waiting for people to ask. Hang on a minute, I thought you loved your big body? Did you love being fat or not?

I highly doubt it. People that don’t have food noise, seem to think it doesn’t exist. Hence why the phrase is often accompanied by quotation marks.

I cant blame people, I didn’t know it existed until I didn’t have it anymore.

I'm on the jabs....prior to this I was never particularly into body positivity...I was always trying to lose weight. Having said that I have never hated myself. Even when I'm fat, I quite like myself. I have a nice face and scrub up ok. I think it annoys people a lot when fat women don't hate themselves.

I think so much of the narrative around this is skewed. We should focus on wellbeing instead. There is too much inappropriate moral judgement tied up with 'fat' and 'thin'.

There is a long list of things which are harmful to wellbeing, including:

• Being overweight/obese.
• Not exercising sufficiently.
• Poor nutrition.
• Extreme anxiety.
• Social exclusion or stigmatization.
• Insufficient leisure time/access to hobbies.
• Stress/overwork
• Not having a strong family and/or social network.
• Loneliness.
• Poverty or financial difficulties.
• Addictive behaviours, whether this focuses around food, alcohol, drugs or anything else.

All of these things are linked together. It will be much easier for someone who isn't prone to addiction, has sufficient sleep, in a good financial position, with plenty of leisure time, access to the outdoors, hobbies and a strong social network, to maintain a healthy weight.

If someone is overweight but they are also exhausted from long working hours, don't have a strong support network, feel anxious and lonely etc., it's going to be much harder for them to lose weight, even if this would lead to increased overall wellbeing. But a first step for some people might be to make a conscious decision to appreciate themselves, appreciate how amazing they are and how much they achieve in their daily lives despite difficult circumstances and focus on enjoying life and increasing their mental wellbeing and prioritise this over immediate weight loss. And it might feed into a positive cycle that makes long-term weight loss easier.

You were implying that people using WLIs are costing the NHS money. For the vast majority this is untrue. Did you know this?

Your post didn’t come across as snarky. Just exceptionally sanctimonious.

Even those being supplied by the NHS will be saving them money in the long run from not being treated for inevitable obesity related illnesses.

Oh, dont mention "Food Noise" it doesnt exist, thats another lie by big pharma to get people to buy WLIs. I dont have it = it doesnt exist 😉

The food noise thread KICKED OFF 😂

I never did and would not accept that I did not look fat and would get annoyed when I was called curvy. Yes i was curvy but still fat and I have been curvy when very slim. Promoting very overweight woman as having a curvy figure is not good, being very over weight is unhealthy its as simple as that

I was fat, I looked fat and I look a lot better now nearly four stone lighter

And I am much healthier

Food noise makes sense to a lot of people but of course its a useful term to market WLI

I would constantly think of food even when eating or feeling full I would be planning my next meal or when I will eat. And I would always carry around food with me just in case i got hungry which was simply not necessary I do not have any allergies and rarely am I far from a shop. The though of being hungry was extremely distressing (trauma related, but what ever the reasoning its such a relief to not live with this anymore)

Speaking as fellow fattie here ! I accept my body for the amazing things it does, fat or thin. I appreciate that my size doesn't define me. Of course Ideally id like to be slimmer and I honestly don't think id ever be slim without meditation. I work out 2 hours a day, 5 days a week and whilst I'm athletic I'm overweight. I just enjoy food and the gym makes me so insanely hungry, I couldn't lift the weights I lift without fuelling my body. Not love but accept.

Sorry about the quotation marks: they weren't meant to suggest I don’t believe in food noise, just to highlight that it was that particular thing I was referring to.

I guess if - as you said - you just don't realise it exists and you've got it, people might well think anyone who's slim is having a miserable battle with it all the time, whereas they're just not thinking about food.

Don’t be ridiculous!

I can't imagine anyone loving being fat (I certainly didn't!),but I think they say they do as a self-defence mechanism,which I can totally understand. I never pretended that I loved being fat,I just acted as if I wasn't bothered. Now I'm 7 stone lighter,I sometimes look back and think how on earth did I let myself stay like that for so long?!

Yeah absolutely, when I first thought about WLI, I read lots of other people’s experiences where they were saying they just eat less now and I kept thinking “but I don’t eat becuase I’m hungry, I eat because I want to” so it won’t work. It wasn’t until I started and the food noise disappeared, that my first thought was “oh wow so this is how normal people live!”

before WLI I did appreciate that not everyone wanted to eat like me, but did also think think people were being deliberately smug about not eating junk all the time and really did want to. I realise now, that isn’t the case. So yes, I suppose it does work both ways!

Haven't rtft yet but I can't see how the two things are mutually exclusive. People can love themselves and still want to be a better version. I'm paying for DD to have her teeth straightened. They are crooked but still she has a beautiful smile. So why am I fixing it? Because I can. If braces were not available I would hope she would love and accept her crooked teeth but I have the option of dealing with this. Acknowledging that her teeth weren't straight didn't require her to hate herself or even hate her smile. It's just an acceptance of fact. Same with fat people, why not take the opportunity to improve yourself when you can..same with anything really, hair colouring, fake tan, education, etc.

@Allseeingallknowing I privately funded them and yes I am prepared to fund them for as long as it may be necessary.
@BlankBlankBlank14 thank you!

I think this is very telling

We are told the "average woman " needs 2000 calories a day

If I ate 2000 calories a day Id be obese again within a year

My BMR is less then 1200 calories

That's bloody tough

Really tough so I have to put the exercise in so I can at least get to 1500 and still be in deficit or break even

For coming up for three years now Im watching every bite. I had cake yesterday so to balance it today Ive eaten fruit, vegetables, lean protein. There is desert sat there crying for me, I cant take it today because I took cake yesterday

If I want to have a mid week meal out, I need to know at the start of the week so I can meal plan around it

I didn't know about BMR until after I lost the weight I needed to and thought as long as I kept to 2000 cals a day Id be grand - and on went the weight

I wouldn't say life around food is miserable, Im learning how to make better choices and getting more bang for my cals, but it does take a lot of effort and time

My BMI is good, but body fat - Im still officially over weight. I think personally, as a run of the mill educated person ( secondary education ) I believed the NHS mantra - 2000 cals, 5 portions of fruit and veg, low fat diet and for me that was totally wrong

So now, in my 60's Im having to concentrate more and more on meals when I thought Id be putting my feet up and eating chocolate and drinking good wines ( wine is a rare treat now and chocolate, has to be totally worth it , so I now do understand how all these celebs say its an occasional glass and the odd cube )

Yeah I’m really short and my BMR was 1343 and has dropped to 1213 as I have lost 2 stone. I have a sedentary office job for about 45 hours a week.

I do a lot of exercise but that only goes to 1750 really if I include exercise cals.

1200 cals = 300 breakfast, 400 lunch, 500 dinnner. No snacks, no cals due to drinks such as tea and coffee.

It’s bloody hard work to maintain that unless I am also working my ass off in the gym.

I consider everything on its merits and would research anything my doctor wanted me to take on an ongoing basis. Sometimes they can be pretty free with prescribing. I often find a more natural approach.

I have a chronic condition and told the specialist I didn't want any of 'those meds' if I could get away with it. Fortunately I am coping without medication, though if I were like a family member with the same condition, I know I wouldn't have a choice.

That said, I'm not a total idiot either. I had blood transfusions that saved my life. I took paracetamol this morning because I'm sick and my temperature was shocking.

My approach is closer to the least amount of medication for the shortest amount of time. I'm one of those annoying patients that asks questions.

Meanwhile the rest of us are popping all kinds of things, willy nilly.
You aren’t special. Most people only take medication when they absolutely have to…

I may be influenced by the fact the family member I have on the jabs does pop anything and everything. We have a very different approach to things and I just don't have their trust in medical science.

I agree. I have a friend who eats the worst diet hates all fruit and most veg, basically lives on burgers and chocolate and does no exercise beyond mucking out a pony and she looks incredible at 49.

Perhaps they were experiencing health problems and finally decided it was time to do something about it. They can get the jabs and maybe they think they don't have to change the lifestyle which caused them to be obese, which of course is not true. They will eventually gain it back if they don't.
I agree with PP that it was a defence mechanism for the very obese ones. How can anyone truly feel positive about a body that is unhealthy and will send them to an early grave? You could if you're just overweight, but not if you're morbidly obese.

Great points.

You don’t understand how weight loss injections work. You have to dramatically cut down calories to lose weight on them. They just help regulate feelings of hunger and slow gastric emptying, so the person feels less hungry and fuller and therefore eats less. You won’t lose weight on them if you stick to your usual intake. There is also a small population of people for whom they don’t work.

By the time someone comes off the medication, months later, their eating habits have been changed.