to tell you violent crime in the UK is falling

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violence is falling, robbery is falling, gun crime is falling, knife crime and sex crime is not significantly falling or rising, fraud is rising, shoplifting is rising

Yes to perceived danger being a dangerous thing in itself! I live in a rural area with low crime rates. The crime tends to be theft of farm equipment, petty theft (things nicked from cars) drug use, etc. The unfortunately standard stuff that humans do. Our Facebook group would have you think we live in a violent inner city. Full of warnings to watch out for this one or that one, white van spotted looking suss, etc etc.

A high proportion of people have lived in the area for generations and love to warn about how bad things are now, how it's changed... It all.has a tinge of racism and ignorance tbh. And of course the more people tell each other how dangerous our mean streets are, the more dangerous it all feels.

Your thread title is misleading. You said UK but you're actually talking about England and Wales. Violent crime has increased in Scotland. There have been 2 shootings within a couple of miles of my house in the last few weeks alone. Drug gangs are a big issue here.

How do they monitor non reported crime?

Post the link itself please

You’re not being unreasonable-but you won’t be believed because it doesn’t fit the narrative being so carefully disseminated by the Right.

Yes you need to post a link. I’ve just tried looking it up and it certainly went up in the year to oct 2024. Is this what you’ve seen? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/improvingcrimestatisticsforenglandandwalesprogressupdate/july2025

Unfortunately there is now a lack of trust even in official statistics after ONS made a fool of themselves over the census. And @BlueJuniper94 is perfectly correct, we feel we have to live differently now.

What are the stats on "antisocial behaviour" and does that now include things that many people would see as crime?

I take it you don’t live in London

Police have not got the resources to deal with crime..they might police your tweets but people who are robbed (including shops) do not bother contacting the police.

I live in London, and crime especially violent crime has also fallen a lot. London is in general a very safe city.

But people seem desperate to convine themselves that outside is dangerous. It's sad really.

As far as I’m aware, the ONS survey is pretty well respected. It is perfectly possible that crime has gone up in your area but not in the country as a whole. What’s happening in your community isn’t necessarily what’s happening in the country as a whole.

You literally can't walk down the street with a phone in your hand.

I mean ... you can.

I linked to a phone theft article. If you haven’t noticed that then you must be missing stuff.

No, you can’t. Oxford Street is just the pits. My SIL visiting from abroad had hers snatched out of her pocket by a guy on a bike. My teenage daughter’s friend, same thing. And no point in reporting this stuff.

Surely there has always been non-reported crime? Therefore the stats baseline is consistent?

Also … if people will parade their iPhones with value to the thieves… plus they then claim on insurance .. waste of police time.

This is true and not good. It’s been the case for an about a decade. There are more challenges for police - people don’t want to pay more tax to support police and other public services. I would. I’d rather have better public services and a better society and pay more tax ( but before anyone says anything it doesn’t work if just I pay extra).

Worst of all though is when police themselves commit horrific crimes, luckily it’s rare

The UK is not a bad place to live in crime-wise, reform are doing a very good job of convincing people it is though - lots of people outside the UK thinking London is a no go area due to their ridiculous lies

Yep

My son (then an older teenager) was also assaulted and robbed of his phone on the Nothern line last year. It makes me so angry that we have to live like this, in fear.

Yes. Phone theft happens in many places, incuding London and it isn't great. I walk aroud London every day and no one has ever snatched my phone because you know what - I don't wander around in the street holding several hundred pounds worth of portable electronics in my hand while simultaneously being distracted by the content on it. A approach born of 25 years of city living. This is also why I always use a cross strap zip up hamdbag.

That said in defiance of my own advice I walked back from a yoga class yesterday absorbed in a Whatsapp conversation. No one snatched my phone

I despair sometimes .

Of course no individual source of informations is as reliable a looking at more than one. If more than one source (and no I don't mean you own personal subjective opinon of the area you live in) suggests that crime is falling, it probably is

Note the 'probably'. I don't know for sure (I am aware of the issues with the ONS) and in my local area it feels like crime is up but that does not mean it actually is. Of course if enough random people on the internet say it it is, then it must be

This sort of response is on a par with the responses when someone posts that the average salary in the UK is £X pa and you get poster after poster saying that is not true because they know so many people that earn more/less (select at random) - (double )

I absolutely agree that crime reports and the ONS might not be completely reliable in lots of ways but they are almost certainly more reliable than one person's opinion, particualry if both sources supprt each other's findings

If they are saying crime is down, the correct response from a graduate with supposed critical thinking skills is to think

' that is interesting, its not my experience , let's see if there is any evidence that further supports this or proper population wide evidence that supports my personal subjective experience' Then if there is no wider proper evidence that you think is reliable, maybe keep an open mind rather than close down all arguments to the contrary because they don't fit with your preconceived notions

It is perfectly possible to understand that crime is down overall (factually) but that you personally don't feel like it is. Or to feel like crime is up but to also understand that you don't have enough evidence to say that this is true across the country

Nice victim blaming there.

That’s exactly what my son was doing, was it? Parading his phone in front of thieves who broke his nose, but no worries - he could claim on his non-existent insurance. Are you for real?

This is a very good point. I'd add that in the past, even the fairly recent past, we didn't have access to constant news and click bait. I think that seeing awful news reported all the time skews your perception of reality.

Yes it's good isn't it !