To think that if it is illegal to use a mobile phone while driving a vehicle, it must be made illegal to push a pram?

[llizzie]

I have just read this on another site which was discussing how the mobile phone is killing conversation.

  ''Saw an incident two days ago: Young mother pushing child in a pushchair was glued to her smart phone, not looking to where she was going. She was heading straight towards a fixed bollard at the side of the footpath. Last few seconds, she saw it, swerved suddenly, child rocked over to the side and hit bollard full face. Stupidity of the highest order. ''

No judgement? Please, your pants are giving you a full wedgy 😂

Every post you make is more bstshit than the previous 🙄

Ill take my chance with a phone distracted pram pusher over a phone distracted driver any day

Unless of course you have statistics to show how many people are killed or suffer life changing injuries being run into by a pram 🙄

Pram driving licence. Mandatory annual pram inspections. Prison sentence if you let your child unbuckle themselves in a pushchair.

Also make it illegal to use a phone in all dangerous situations: going upstairs, in the vicinity of an active toaster, on the sofa in the absence of a safety rail.

Well I’m sure someone has probably been killed by a pram at some point in history. But then I’m sure someone has probably died by walking into a lamppost and banging their head whilst distracted on their phone. Shall we make it illegal to use a mobile phone whilst walking along? You can’t legislate against all risks, no matter how unlikely.

I have often thought that television producers whose programmes have someone driving and chatting away at a camera, e.g. Worlds Most Dangerous Roads, Antiques Road Trip, Bangers and Cash, Police something or other, etc. should reconsider what they are doing... unless they just don't care. 😟

I mean I am pretty sure if you carelessly barge into someone with a pram, trolley, or any other object and they get injured they can probably make a claim against you using a solicitor, and if they died from their injuries I expect it would be investigated as involuntary manslaughter, and it would be down to the judge and jury to decide whether or not the person pushing the thing was being unreasonably reckless or whether the death was a freak accident.

That would be different from someone deliberately ramming a person with intent to injure which presumably would be investigated as assault from the start.

I know other countries have more explicit laws about this kind of thing whereas the UK it's more of a small claims court thing so it probably costs more to hire the solicitor than you'd get back in compensation anyway.

This thread is bonkers 😁

This afternoon I rounded a junction on a green light as a young woman, on her phone, stepped off the pavement. A junction with pedestrian lights, they either hadn’t activated or hadn’t waited for. How I stopped in time I don’t know. Her friend, also on the phone, clearly felt I needed severe admonishment.

Average weight of an adult + powerchair: 130kg (80kg + 50kg)
Average weight of an adult + wheelchair: 95kg (80kg + 15kg)

Top speed of powerchair: 4mph unless class 3 (8mph). I'm ignoring not in class, which can be far heavier, wider and faster and require a driving licence and to be driven on the road in all cases.

Now, if a class 3 user is distracted whilst travelling at 8mph, apart from the fact that they'd already be committing an offence if they are on the pavement at that speed, there would be a risk of 130kg hitting somebody with sufficient force to hurt another pedestrian.

Somebody pushing a manual chair and hurting the legs of the person sitting or causing them to fall/topples over is unpleasant and may cause more serious injuries due to medical conditions or general physical vulnerability - and would be obviously very, very frightening. But that's on the basis of weight, size and specific medical risks.

Compare to the average weight of a buggy - 15kg. Plus child aged 0-3, being up to about 14kg, travelling at up to about 3mph.

There just isn't the same level of risk of severe harm being caused.

Sorry, woman was pushing a pram. Pram was in the road. Thank you Vw for great brakes.

“How many injuries is enough proof for you to think it is unwise to hold a phone with one hand, push a pram, or a shopping trolley or something similar?”

I don’t need to see injuries to know that it’s better not to be distracted pushing a pram etc but that’s not what you said. You said that the specific situation of using a phone when pushing a pram should be considered as the same level as phone use in a car and should therefore be similarly illegal. I would need to know how many injuries have been recorded in this specific situation and it would need to be significant numbers. There is no record of pram/phone injuries. Sure, it may have happened a few times but clearly accident investigators are not attending the scene of a pram injury or recording the factors involved and neither is there any information from the coroners and such like about distracted pram pushers! That would seem to indicate that though it might unfortunately happen from time to time it’s not a significant problem. You’re making an illogical leap in giving those two things equal status.

You're reaching now OP 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂.

Bonkers argument to make.

So, what happens if I stop suddenly to answer my phone and do not move to be courteous to other people and somebody walks into the back of me because I stopped suddenly?
What should happen to the person that walked into the back of me?

I use my phone and push a pram at the same time. I’m quite good at it now. I have some great methods. On a single bar I hold it in the middle, but 2 handles, and this is magic, if you push with one hand use the left hand on the right handle or vice versa lol. Seriously. I could enter buggy olympics. I think I have an idea there.

I don't stop, I just ignore my phone ringing if I'm doing something that requires my full attention. I can just call them back when I'm free to talk. Walking down the street pushing a pram wouldn't require my full attention, but I do agree that it requires enough attention that you shouldn't be looking at your phone. Talking on it is not the same. You still have the use of your eyes to see hazards. So no, I don't see inherent danger in talking on the phone while pushing a pram. There wouldn't be any for the majority of people. I suppose some people might get so involved in some sort of heated conversation that they would lose their ability to focus, but how many people do you see on the streets having those kind of intense phone conversations while walking, whether with a pram or not?

While walking underneath a ladder.

During unprotected sex.

At the pub if you're underage.

When your in-laws are visiting.

While online dating.

We could do this all day. ;-)

Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed, unfortunately we can't sterilise people based on their IQ 🤷🏻‍♀️
Sadly, many parent are more interested in their phones than their kids 😕

The story you posted said "glued to her smartphone" and mentioned her not looking where she was going. That means she was looking at her phone, not just talking on it. Talking on it without looking at it doesn't prevent people from looking where they're going. Why can't you understand that?

It's a qualification to live on my estate, push a pram with the basket full of cheap booze whilst smoking, texting or calling on a mobile. I failed the test miserably & was therefore only given a temporary visa to live on the estate, never been able to wear the coveted Sports Direct sportswear & banned for life from buying cheap wine & cider. I was also never allowed to give my child one of the prized chavvy names.

You actually sound quite unwell OP 😢

Are you on glue?

You’re batshit crazy!

Can we stop with the accident

its a crash if a person was deliberately using a phone

it’s not unexpected if you’re busy on the phone

It is an accident though. And no one will pay compensation for these.

your posts get crazier each time!

can you imagine having to have insurance to walk up the street?

cannot be reported to who?

Are you suggesting the bystander (or the bollard, who would probably still make more sense than you) should report the mother to the police for endangerment by reckless pram driving?