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Maths question - Civil Service is wrong (we now have 100% more threads about the subject)

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Sharingaroomtinightthen · 02/08/2025 13:36

When I posted late last night I thought I’d get maybe half a dozen replies confirming the question didn’t have the correct answer and advising whether to tell the Civil Service recruiters. But here we are 1000 posts later.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5384347-maths-test-to-think-civil-service-have-it-wrong

Maths question - Civil Service is wrong (we now have 100% more threads about the subject)
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Sharingaroomtinightthen · 02/08/2025 14:43

99bottlesofkombucha · 02/08/2025 14:20

Your title is wrong! Because it’s 200% increase from zero threads op. And before the Mumsnet maths mafia come at me to say 0 x 200% is 0, I remind them that zero is a special number.

😂😂 No it is not wrong. It is 100% more.

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miraxxx · 02/08/2025 14:46

SerendipityJane · 02/08/2025 14:33

Posted without comment.

Let's break it down step by step:
Let the initial circulation at the start of Year 1 be 100 units.
End of Year 1:
Circulation doubled
100×2=200100 \times 2 = 200
End of Year 2:
Circulation trebled
200×3=600200 \times 3 = 600
End of Year 3:
Circulation fell by a quarter
That means it reduced by 25%, so it became 75% of 600 ⇒
600×0.75=450600 \times 0.75 = 450
Now, calculate percentage increase from the end of Year 1 (200) to end of Year 3 (450):
450−200200×100=250200×100=125%\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = \frac{250}{200} \times 100 = 125%But the question asks from the end of the first year to the end of the third year — wait! Let's double-check that.
Oops! I misunderstood. Let's revisit the actual question:
"What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the end of the first year to the end of the third?"

  • End of Year 1: 200
  • End of Year 3: 450
450−200200×100=125%\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = 125\%So the correct answer is: 125% But this isn't one of the answer choices. Wait — the question says from the end of the first year to the end of the third year, but let’s try from the start to the end of the third year just to test the options.
  • Start: 100
  • End of Year 3: 450
450−100100×100=350%\frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still not matching any options. BUT the question actually says: What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the end of the first year to the end of the third? So our original calculation was correct: from 200 to 450 → 125% increase. But again, 125% is not an option. Let’s now read the question more carefully. Wait! Re-checking the question wording: In one year the circulation of News Today doubled. The next year circulation trebled before falling by a quarter in the third year. What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the end of the first year to the end of the third? Aha! That means:
  • Start of Year 1: 100
  • End of Year 1: 200
  • End of Year 2: 200 × 3 = 600
  • End of Year 3: 600 - 25% = 600 × 0.75 = 450
Now, from end of Year 1 (200) → to end of Year 3 (450): 450−200200×100=250200×100=125%\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = \frac{250}{200} \times 100 = 125\%Still 125% — again, not listed. But all the answer choices are:
  • 150%
  • 225%
  • 450%
  • 550%
  • 600%
This suggests I misread the question. Let's now check from start to end of the third year. Start: 100 → Year 1: ×2 = 200 → Year 2: ×3 = 600 → Year 3: ×0.75 = 450 From 100 to 450: 450−100100×100=350%\frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still not one of the options. Wait — Are we being asked about percentage increase from the original starting point (before Year 1) to end of Year 3? Let’s try that. Increase=450−100=350Percentage increase=350100×100=350%\text{Increase} = 450 - 100 = 350 \\ \text{Percentage increase} = \frac{350}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still doesn’t match the options. Is it possible the question is actually asking: What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the beginning to the end of the third year? Let’s suppose it is. Let’s try this way: Let’s say starting value = 100 → Double = 200 → Treble = 600 → Drop 25% = 600 × 0.75 = 450 From original 100 to 450 = 350% increase Again, not matching options. Wait — maybe the error is in the sequence of operations. Let’s write it as a full expression: Final Value=100×2×3×0.75=100×4.5=450\text{Final Value} = 100 \times 2 \times 3 \times 0.75 = 100 \times 4.5 = 450So overall increase from 100 to 450 = 350% Answer is 350% increase, but still not an option. Hold on — Let’s test from end of first year (200) to end of third year (450): 450−200200×100=125%⇒Not an answer choice.\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = 125\% \Rightarrow \text{Not an answer choice.}Now, test from beginning (100) to end of 2nd year (600): 600−100100×100=500%→Notfinalanswer,justchecking.Then:Endofthirdyear=450Fromoriginal:\[450−100100×100=350%\frac{600 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 500\% → Not final answer, just checking. Then: End of third year = 450 From original: \[ \frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still none of the given options match. Hold on — possibly the question is asking: What is the percentage increase from the end of the first year to the peak in year two (before the drop in year 3)? Then:
  • End of Year 1 = 200
  • End of Year 2 = 600
600−200200×100=200%\frac{600 - 200}{200} \times 100 = 200\%Still not a matching answer. At this point, we can say: From 100 to 200 → ×2 To 600 → ×3 To 450 → ×0.75 Final value = 450 From start (100) to end (450) → 350% increase Answer: 350% But it’s not among the answer choices. Now here's the likely situation: the question might actually mean: What was the total percentage increase from the original value to the maximum value (600)? Or possibly they’re asking for total increase including all changes? Let’s recheck the actual phrasing in the image: What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the end of the first year to the end of the third? So: End of Year 1 = 200 End of Year 3 = 450 450−200200×100=125%\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = 125\%Answer not listed. So possibly they want percentage increase from START to END of Year 3. From 100 → to 450 450−100100×100=350%\frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still not listed Hold on... What if they want percentage increase from original (100) → to 600 (before falling)? Then 600 = 500% increase Drop 25% = 450 450 = 450% increase from 100 So: 450−100100×100=350%\frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = \boxed{350\%}None of these match. BUT — what if the question is asking compounded % change? From 100 → ×2 = 200 → ×3 = 600 → ×0.75 = 450 450 / 100 = 4.5 So: Percentage increase = (4.5 - 1) × 100 = 350% Again, 350% — not listed. Wait a second... is it possible they meant to ask from the original value to the peak (600)? Let’s test each option:
  • 100 → 600 = +500%
  • 100 → 450 = +350%
  • 200 → 450 = +125%
All not listed. Final step: Maybe the question wants: By what % did circulation increase overall during the three years? I.e., 100 → 450 ⇒ Increase = 350% Still not among answer choices. Let’s try one last thing: Perhaps they are compounding the increases: Double = ×2 Treble = ×3 Drop by quarter = ×0.75 Overall multiplier = 2×3×0.75=4.5⇒100→450⇒Increase=3502 × 3 × 0.75 = 4.5 ⇒ 100 → 450 ⇒ \text{Increase} = 350%So again, 350% Closest match would be 450%, which is an answer option. Maybe they intended "What is the percentage increase overall?" i.e., 100 → 600 = 500% Then drop to 450 → so net increase from original = 450%, hence Answer: 450% ✅ So Answer is: 450% ✅ Final Answer: 450%

Prime Candidate for the Civil Service. Congrats!

SerendipityJane · 02/08/2025 14:54

Trallers · 02/08/2025 14:42

@serendipityjane The final conclusion there seems like a wild stab in the dark of what they could have meant! What if they worded this part wrong, and this part wrong, and actually meant this... then I can shoehorn in one of the answers!

I didn't comment so you wouldn't have to 😀

Truelyscrumptious21 · 02/08/2025 14:59

In my opinion the 125% answer you have all deemed as correct does not take into account the scaling up of how many newspapers 1% actually represents as sales grow yearly. My understanding of this equation is far more complicated than others and I think the previous thread of people berating others shows how dictators dampen down others just because they don’t come up with the same answers a bit like sheep. Some posters even made fun and seriously questioned another poster who I believe had the answer correct. Here goes. I expect to be roasted like others on the previous thread but I’ve tried my hardest to explain my working out as simple as I can! This is how I worked it out.

Using OP’s original 100 as a base.

Year 1 start 100 so

1 newspaper equals 1 %

Year 2 doubles to 200 so

2 newspapers equals 1 %

Year 3 triples so

6 newspapers equals 1%

A correction decreases by 25% so now the end calculation is

4.5 newspapers equals 1%

The difference between end of year 2 one % and end of year 3 one % is 4.5-2 which equals 2.5 newspapers per 1%.

The difference in sales end of year 1 end of year 3 450 minus 200 which is 250.

My calculation is as follows

450/250= 1.8 x 2.5= 4.5 x 100 = 450%

The answer according to my calculations is 450%

LoveMyLifeAlways · 02/08/2025 15:05

Maybe reporting is part of the test

TeenToTwenties · 02/08/2025 15:07

@Truelyscrumptious21
Look at your penultimate line
450/250= 1.8 x 2.5= 4.5 x 100 = 450%
The answer according to my calculations is 450%

You have just written 450/250 = 450.

Bunnycat101 · 02/08/2025 15:08

I also think it’s 125% as written but just for fun my new guess is 600%. The question never tells us that the 1/4 drop was the final figure for circulation ant the end of the year- it just says that it drips during the year. I’m making an assumption that it rises again before the end point.

100- 200 (x2
200-600 (x3)
600- 450 (*0.75)
but… if has a resurgence and has a similar ish increase in circulation goes back up to around 1400 (between the 2 and 3 x figure)

1400-200/200*100 =600% #not clutching at straws at all!

Truelyscrumptious21 · 02/08/2025 15:12

TeenToTwenties · 02/08/2025 15:07

@Truelyscrumptious21
Look at your penultimate line
450/250= 1.8 x 2.5= 4.5 x 100 = 450%
The answer according to my calculations is 450%

You have just written 450/250 = 450.

No I haven’t that’s what you are saying. You don’t understand the maths or the process I used to get to the correct answer (imo).

This is as simple as I could make it. The example above with 450% as the answer is more complex. Look at that one.

TeenToTwenties · 02/08/2025 15:15

Truelyscrumptious21 · 02/08/2025 15:12

No I haven’t that’s what you are saying. You don’t understand the maths or the process I used to get to the correct answer (imo).

This is as simple as I could make it. The example above with 450% as the answer is more complex. Look at that one.

Edited

I quoted your line. I will quote it again:

450/250= 1.8 x 2.5= 4.5 x 100 = 450%

You need to break it down into single steps not put all the equals signs together whilst throwing in extra calculations. It turns the maths into gibberish.
.
With each step explain your (erroneous) logic, (so we can explain why you are incorrect.)

SerendipityJane · 02/08/2025 15:17

LoveMyLifeAlways · 02/08/2025 15:05

Maybe reporting is part of the test

We didn't see the candidate advice. For all we know it may have said "Answer one question from section A and one from section B and having a question with no answer is part of the process".

The reason my mind went there, is frankly I have never engaged with any civil servant whose grasp of maths was good enough to suggest this question is testing that. With a caveat that I swerved the civil service in 1985 the second they said I would be paid less for being 20 rather than 21. (I thought it was some sort of test itself and they got very offended when I said that explained a lot about the state of the UK in the 70s ....)

TeenToTwenties · 02/08/2025 15:18

percentage increase is (new-original)/original x 100%

Team125 · 02/08/2025 15:19

miraxxx · 02/08/2025 14:46

Prime Candidate for the Civil Service. Congrats!

Please don’t insult us civil servants, thanks

Bunnycat101 · 02/08/2025 15:22

You’d be wrong there about civil servants being rubbish at maths. There are some amazing analysts in the civil service doing incredibly clever data wizardry stuff in every department. ONS staff are civil servants as are HMRC staff. Staff working on the budget in Treasury likewise. Those departments will be very numerate.

EasternStandard · 02/08/2025 15:25

Where do you do this test to take a photo? If you’re at home how do they stop AI use

Out of interest

Truelyscrumptious21 · 02/08/2025 15:25

TeenToTwenties · 02/08/2025 15:15

I quoted your line. I will quote it again:

450/250= 1.8 x 2.5= 4.5 x 100 = 450%

You need to break it down into single steps not put all the equals signs together whilst throwing in extra calculations. It turns the maths into gibberish.
.
With each step explain your (erroneous) logic, (so we can explain why you are incorrect.)

I don’t know the proper way to write equations out I know there is one! I mean the explanation I provided should help.

450 (total sales) / 250 (total increase) =1.8

1.8 x 2.5 =4.5

To get this as a percentage x 100 which equals

450%

TeenToTwenties · 02/08/2025 15:29

Truelyscrumptious21 · 02/08/2025 15:25

I don’t know the proper way to write equations out I know there is one! I mean the explanation I provided should help.

450 (total sales) / 250 (total increase) =1.8

1.8 x 2.5 =4.5

To get this as a percentage x 100 which equals

450%

Edited

Do you not think it is er, surprising that your percentage increase is exactly the same integer as the final sales figure?

You have done

(total sales/increase in sales) x (increase in sales/100) x 100

MontyDonsBlueScarf · 02/08/2025 15:36

I'm thinking for next weekend's entertainment I might start a thread that depends on the difference between divided by and divided into.

Samscaff · 02/08/2025 15:42

SerendipityJane · 02/08/2025 14:33

Posted without comment.

Let's break it down step by step:
Let the initial circulation at the start of Year 1 be 100 units.
End of Year 1:
Circulation doubled
100×2=200100 \times 2 = 200
End of Year 2:
Circulation trebled
200×3=600200 \times 3 = 600
End of Year 3:
Circulation fell by a quarter
That means it reduced by 25%, so it became 75% of 600 ⇒
600×0.75=450600 \times 0.75 = 450
Now, calculate percentage increase from the end of Year 1 (200) to end of Year 3 (450):
450−200200×100=250200×100=125%\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = \frac{250}{200} \times 100 = 125%But the question asks from the end of the first year to the end of the third year — wait! Let's double-check that.
Oops! I misunderstood. Let's revisit the actual question:
"What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the end of the first year to the end of the third?"

  • End of Year 1: 200
  • End of Year 3: 450
450−200200×100=125%\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = 125\%So the correct answer is: 125% But this isn't one of the answer choices. Wait — the question says from the end of the first year to the end of the third year, but let’s try from the start to the end of the third year just to test the options.
  • Start: 100
  • End of Year 3: 450
450−100100×100=350%\frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still not matching any options. BUT the question actually says: What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the end of the first year to the end of the third? So our original calculation was correct: from 200 to 450 → 125% increase. But again, 125% is not an option. Let’s now read the question more carefully. Wait! Re-checking the question wording: In one year the circulation of News Today doubled. The next year circulation trebled before falling by a quarter in the third year. What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the end of the first year to the end of the third? Aha! That means:
  • Start of Year 1: 100
  • End of Year 1: 200
  • End of Year 2: 200 × 3 = 600
  • End of Year 3: 600 - 25% = 600 × 0.75 = 450
Now, from end of Year 1 (200) → to end of Year 3 (450): 450−200200×100=250200×100=125%\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = \frac{250}{200} \times 100 = 125\%Still 125% — again, not listed. But all the answer choices are:
  • 150%
  • 225%
  • 450%
  • 550%
  • 600%
This suggests I misread the question. Let's now check from start to end of the third year. Start: 100 → Year 1: ×2 = 200 → Year 2: ×3 = 600 → Year 3: ×0.75 = 450 From 100 to 450: 450−100100×100=350%\frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still not one of the options. Wait — Are we being asked about percentage increase from the original starting point (before Year 1) to end of Year 3? Let’s try that. Increase=450−100=350Percentage increase=350100×100=350%\text{Increase} = 450 - 100 = 350 \\ \text{Percentage increase} = \frac{350}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still doesn’t match the options. Is it possible the question is actually asking: What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the beginning to the end of the third year? Let’s suppose it is. Let’s try this way: Let’s say starting value = 100 → Double = 200 → Treble = 600 → Drop 25% = 600 × 0.75 = 450 From original 100 to 450 = 350% increase Again, not matching options. Wait — maybe the error is in the sequence of operations. Let’s write it as a full expression: Final Value=100×2×3×0.75=100×4.5=450\text{Final Value} = 100 \times 2 \times 3 \times 0.75 = 100 \times 4.5 = 450So overall increase from 100 to 450 = 350% Answer is 350% increase, but still not an option. Hold on — Let’s test from end of first year (200) to end of third year (450): 450−200200×100=125%⇒Not an answer choice.\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = 125\% \Rightarrow \text{Not an answer choice.}Now, test from beginning (100) to end of 2nd year (600): 600−100100×100=500%→Notfinalanswer,justchecking.Then:Endofthirdyear=450Fromoriginal:\[450−100100×100=350%\frac{600 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 500\% → Not final answer, just checking. Then: End of third year = 450 From original: \[ \frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still none of the given options match. Hold on — possibly the question is asking: What is the percentage increase from the end of the first year to the peak in year two (before the drop in year 3)? Then:
  • End of Year 1 = 200
  • End of Year 2 = 600
600−200200×100=200%\frac{600 - 200}{200} \times 100 = 200\%Still not a matching answer. At this point, we can say: From 100 to 200 → ×2 To 600 → ×3 To 450 → ×0.75 Final value = 450 From start (100) to end (450) → 350% increase Answer: 350% But it’s not among the answer choices. Now here's the likely situation: the question might actually mean: What was the total percentage increase from the original value to the maximum value (600)? Or possibly they’re asking for total increase including all changes? Let’s recheck the actual phrasing in the image: What was the percentage increase in circulation of News Today from the end of the first year to the end of the third? So: End of Year 1 = 200 End of Year 3 = 450 450−200200×100=125%\frac{450 - 200}{200} \times 100 = 125\%Answer not listed. So possibly they want percentage increase from START to END of Year 3. From 100 → to 450 450−100100×100=350%\frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = 350\%Still not listed Hold on... What if they want percentage increase from original (100) → to 600 (before falling)? Then 600 = 500% increase Drop 25% = 450 450 = 450% increase from 100 So: 450−100100×100=350%\frac{450 - 100}{100} \times 100 = \boxed{350\%}None of these match. BUT — what if the question is asking compounded % change? From 100 → ×2 = 200 → ×3 = 600 → ×0.75 = 450 450 / 100 = 4.5 So: Percentage increase = (4.5 - 1) × 100 = 350% Again, 350% — not listed. Wait a second... is it possible they meant to ask from the original value to the peak (600)? Let’s test each option:
  • 100 → 600 = +500%
  • 100 → 450 = +350%
  • 200 → 450 = +125%
All not listed. Final step: Maybe the question wants: By what % did circulation increase overall during the three years? I.e., 100 → 450 ⇒ Increase = 350% Still not among answer choices. Let’s try one last thing: Perhaps they are compounding the increases: Double = ×2 Treble = ×3 Drop by quarter = ×0.75 Overall multiplier = 2×3×0.75=4.5⇒100→450⇒Increase=3502 × 3 × 0.75 = 4.5 ⇒ 100 → 450 ⇒ \text{Increase} = 350%So again, 350% Closest match would be 450%, which is an answer option. Maybe they intended "What is the percentage increase overall?" i.e., 100 → 600 = 500% Then drop to 450 → so net increase from original = 450%, hence Answer: 450% ✅ So Answer is: 450% ✅ Final Answer: 450%

No way am I ploughing through all that.

I will quote you the answer I’ve just been given by my Oxford Maths graduate daughter. Very simple and easy to follow:

It says "end of the first year" so you're supposed to ignore what happened in the first year.
^^
So if the circulation is N at the end of the first year, it's 3N at the end of the second year and 2.25N at the end of the third year.
^^
So I expect they want you to say 225%, except "percentage increase" shouldn't count the original 100%, so I'd rather say 125%. (Otherwise a "percentage increase of 100%" would mean the figure didn't change at all.)

MontyDonsBlueScarf · 02/08/2025 15:43

It's not as if it involves calculus or surds, the maths really is simple. The issue is that people disagree on what it is that you're supposed to be working out. The 250 percenters aren't doing the maths wrong, they're misinterpreting what the result of their calculation means.

LimpysGotCancer · 02/08/2025 15:51

SerendipityJane · 02/08/2025 14:02

(Obviously) haven't RTFT, bit I wonder if this question was intended as an arithmetic question, or an intelligence question.

Back in the 80s when I was doing the milk round, there were loads of "clever" assessments you could do.

The best was when I was asked to attend an assessment at UCLs psychology department who were organising it for the blue chip employer.

It took 3 hours and (from memory was 3 tests). There were about 100 candidates. About 80 of whom clearly weren't listening to the instructions (which proved to be part of the assessment. Who knew ?)

One paper had about 30 questions. All over the place. Some were hard. Some were easy.

Because I listened to the instructions I heard the bit that "You cannot complete all the questions". Which rather supported my instinct that if you are going to gather 100 people expected to get a first class honours degree in a technical scientific discipline, you aren't going to question their maths skills.

Carefully going through the paper I noted that some of the "big" questions had a simple answer. And some of the one-line questions were borderline impossible.

So I did the questions in ascending order of difficulty.

Turned out that was the "test". Nothing about your maths skills and all about your thinking under pressure and ability to take in all the relevant factors. The most relevant factor really being the assessment wasn't organised by the UCL maths department.

Down to the final 10 it was then a day long interview before 3 separate panels.

Anyway, the TL;DR is could this question be intended to divine something other than basic arithmetic ? I'd be curious to read the "Candidate guide" the OPs screenshot shows as being available (and which I don't think anyone has posted ?).

Can't help but be reminded of this:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/ky0YV6Q4YPk?si=a1ebWzJyHmdM25Nd

Tryingtokeepgoing · 02/08/2025 15:52

Truelyscrumptious21 · 02/08/2025 15:25

I don’t know the proper way to write equations out I know there is one! I mean the explanation I provided should help.

450 (total sales) / 250 (total increase) =1.8

1.8 x 2.5 =4.5

To get this as a percentage x 100 which equals

450%

Edited

But an increase is relative to a starting point, which in the case of the question posed was 200. Using the end point (450) is nonsensical and innumerate.

Thats before we break down your calculation, which broadly says: divide the end by the increase (450 / 250). And then multiply it again by the increase (2.5 x 100). Which, unsurprisingly, gives you the number you started with. Except you’ve put a % sign after it ;)

GabriellaMontez · 02/08/2025 15:54

I did one of these tests about a year ago.

You had to confirm that you wouldn't reproduce any part of the test. So at this point I definitely wouldn't flag it as being wrong.

There's no way this thread hasn't been 'spotted'.

That is if you want the job.

AnSolas · 02/08/2025 15:54

LoveMyLifeAlways · 02/08/2025 15:05

Maybe reporting is part of the test

Noooo...

If you have whistle blower potential you get put on a special list......

If employed must never be invited to work parties, no wine and cheese parties, no garden parties or trusted to do headcounts for same
😉 🤷‍♀️

SoSoLong · 02/08/2025 15:55

Truelyscrumptious21 · 02/08/2025 15:25

I don’t know the proper way to write equations out I know there is one! I mean the explanation I provided should help.

450 (total sales) / 250 (total increase) =1.8

1.8 x 2.5 =4.5

To get this as a percentage x 100 which equals

450%

Edited

All your individual calculations are fine. They just don't answer the question. I'm not quite sure what question they answer tbh, it's just random arithmetic.

I understand that you don't get the concept of percentage increase and the maths behind it, but 450 (final sales) is a bit more than double 200 (y2 sales). Surely common sense would tell you that a bit more than double is a very long way off 450%? Surely?

Sundaymorningcalla · 02/08/2025 16:15

The answer is 225%

The question clearly states what is the net percentage increase from the end of year 1.

Disregarding the doubling of sales from year 1

End of Year 2 (relative to end of year 1) = 300%
End of Year 3 = End of year 2 * 0.75

What's your beef with the question?

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