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Thread 12: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 02/08/2025 12:25

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...
2nd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found
3rd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video
4th Observer ‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...
Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn
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New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting. There are currently 10 items on The Observer website The real Salt Path | The Observer
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for eleven very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.
No saltiness. Keep to the path.
Will our life-size cardboard cut-out Simon Armitage keep his head?
NB Timeline coming in the first posts of this thread for reference.

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Catwith69lives · 02/08/2025 22:11

TheBrandyPath · 02/08/2025 22:07

And now for something completely different:

Instead of a Salted Moth - a Peppered Moth

Bing Videos

I'm reminded of Greek tragedy - Icarus and the metaphor of the candle and the moth....

SoloSofa24 · 02/08/2025 22:17

I just got a Mumsnet sponsored ad promoting The Salt Path - unbelievable!

Thread 12: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Tidalisland · 02/08/2025 22:18

TheBrandyPath · 02/08/2025 22:07

And now for something completely different:

Instead of a Salted Moth - a Peppered Moth

Bing Videos

😄by Isabel (Izzy Wyn-) Thomas!

Fandango52 · 02/08/2025 22:20

SoloSofa24 · 02/08/2025 22:17

I just got a Mumsnet sponsored ad promoting The Salt Path - unbelievable!

I think another poster reported the same thing on a previous thread 😂 do we have anyone here who’d like to be our ‘IT Correspondent’ and hack into the Mumsnet system to remove the offending ads or edit them to link them to our threads?

TheBrandyPath · 02/08/2025 22:22

Tidalisland · 02/08/2025 22:18

😄by Isabel (Izzy Wyn-) Thomas!

Priceless - I didn't notice that. I am addicted to this and have watched about 10 times ....

Fandango52 · 02/08/2025 22:28

TheBrandyPath · 02/08/2025 22:22

Priceless - I didn't notice that. I am addicted to this and have watched about 10 times ....

It’s lovely, isn’t it 😍 And interesting that the précis of the story is: “This is the little moth’s story of light and dark, of change and adaptation, of survival and hope.” Remind anyone of anything…?

Catwith69lives · 02/08/2025 22:29

Catwith69lives · 02/08/2025 22:11

I'm reminded of Greek tragedy - Icarus and the metaphor of the candle and the moth....

Also of that classic Peter Seller's film 'Being There'.

cricketandwhodunnits · 02/08/2025 22:45

(Taking time out of my work as cricket correspondent because the cricket is going... not well, and putting in a bid for a second job as philosophy/ethics correspondent with some random musings). I've really appreciated and enjoyed this thread. I'm almost certainly going to use TSP story as an example when teaching on ethics of truth and lies. It's an interesting 'test case' for different theories about why lies are bad. E.g. does it matter whether you are intentionally trying to deceive other people? Does it matter whether there are some specific people who are hurt by the lie? How would we draw the line between acceptable embellishment/dramatic effect and culpable lies (& is it about the author's intention, or other people's expectations in context, or both, or something else?) One thing that I've been thinking about a lot is the norm of trust, how important it is, what a big deal it is to lose it, and how habitual liars can mess with your head. We trust nearly everybody to tell the truth nearly all the time because otherwise we can't function as social animals. Without realising it, we regularly go through quite a lot of mental contortions in order to avoid thinking that another person is lying. And even if somebody lies about one thing, for reasons, we generally believe them about other stuff (my students regularly lie to me about doing the reading for class, but I still believe what they tell me about the weather or their plans for the summer holidays, because why wouldn't I?) And then... every now and then there's somebody who doesn't seem to recognise the norm of truth at all, who lies randomly not only for their own advantage but also because they don't care whether what they or anyone else says is true [political examples omitted]. One disturbing feature of the whole TSP story, I think, is the possibility that RW/SW might be in that category. I don't actually think that myself yet. But I can understand why some posters do. Anyway. Just to say thanks to everyone for your time and your thoughts.

User14March · 02/08/2025 22:49

@cricketandwhodunnits what’s interesting to me was Ray feels others have completely betrayed their trust.

AlertCat · 02/08/2025 22:56

OpenThatWindow · 02/08/2025 21:41

Perhaps promises made by SW & TW - more witness/first hand accounts from people they've lied to

I’m obviously looking wrong. I couldn’t see anything at all about the salt path when I looked at the observer 😟

AldoGordo · 02/08/2025 23:05

cricketandwhodunnits · 02/08/2025 22:45

(Taking time out of my work as cricket correspondent because the cricket is going... not well, and putting in a bid for a second job as philosophy/ethics correspondent with some random musings). I've really appreciated and enjoyed this thread. I'm almost certainly going to use TSP story as an example when teaching on ethics of truth and lies. It's an interesting 'test case' for different theories about why lies are bad. E.g. does it matter whether you are intentionally trying to deceive other people? Does it matter whether there are some specific people who are hurt by the lie? How would we draw the line between acceptable embellishment/dramatic effect and culpable lies (& is it about the author's intention, or other people's expectations in context, or both, or something else?) One thing that I've been thinking about a lot is the norm of trust, how important it is, what a big deal it is to lose it, and how habitual liars can mess with your head. We trust nearly everybody to tell the truth nearly all the time because otherwise we can't function as social animals. Without realising it, we regularly go through quite a lot of mental contortions in order to avoid thinking that another person is lying. And even if somebody lies about one thing, for reasons, we generally believe them about other stuff (my students regularly lie to me about doing the reading for class, but I still believe what they tell me about the weather or their plans for the summer holidays, because why wouldn't I?) And then... every now and then there's somebody who doesn't seem to recognise the norm of truth at all, who lies randomly not only for their own advantage but also because they don't care whether what they or anyone else says is true [political examples omitted]. One disturbing feature of the whole TSP story, I think, is the possibility that RW/SW might be in that category. I don't actually think that myself yet. But I can understand why some posters do. Anyway. Just to say thanks to everyone for your time and your thoughts.

Nice to read your perspective. Interesting questions to ponder.

I hope you realise you are now responsible for secretly bringing a radio (the weight of a bag of sugar) on the MN SWCP field trip in case we need to listen to the cricket.

Fandango52 · 02/08/2025 23:06

AlertCat · 02/08/2025 22:56

I’m obviously looking wrong. I couldn’t see anything at all about the salt path when I looked at the observer 😟

Just checked after reading your post to see if it was still there or had gone! It’s in the line right at the top of the Observer front page.

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DisappointedReader · 02/08/2025 23:07

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AldoGordo · 02/08/2025 23:07

AlertCat · 02/08/2025 22:56

I’m obviously looking wrong. I couldn’t see anything at all about the salt path when I looked at the observer 😟

Top line above "The Observer"

AlertCat · 02/08/2025 23:09

Yea, but all I see is BRITAIN’S REAL IMMIGRATION CRISIS and its solution
and the Sam Freedman on immigrant numbers worldwide, Reform councillors and visa rules, and the fear that haunts Jersey’s migrant workers. Under that is an ad for Temu.

what am I doing wrong!?

AlertCat · 02/08/2025 23:10

AldoGordo · 02/08/2025 23:07

Top line above "The Observer"

OMG, FML, all other 3-letter self-condemnatory acronyms 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

thanks AldoGordo.
And all others who pointed out the not invisible red type saying THE SALT PATH at the top of the page there.

Don’t be like me.

AldoGordo · 02/08/2025 23:11

AlertCat · 02/08/2025 23:09

Yea, but all I see is BRITAIN’S REAL IMMIGRATION CRISIS and its solution
and the Sam Freedman on immigrant numbers worldwide, Reform councillors and visa rules, and the fear that haunts Jersey’s migrant workers. Under that is an ad for Temu.

what am I doing wrong!?

Thread 12: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Peladon · 02/08/2025 23:12

TheHorseOnSeventhAvenue · 02/08/2025 21:16

I’ve followed these threads but not posted before.

It will be interesting if a credible journalist questions whether they completed the walks when they said they did.

Surely their bank statements will prove where they were and when. If ‘false allegations’ are made it will be simple for them to refute them. If they don’t it’ll be pretty damning.

Love the username. (And TSP is a pocketful of mumbles.)

crossedlines · 02/08/2025 23:15

OMG, FML, all other 3-letter self-condemnatory acronyms 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

for a moment that sounded like Sal had joined the thread!

Fandango52 · 02/08/2025 23:17

crossedlines · 02/08/2025 23:15

OMG, FML, all other 3-letter self-condemnatory acronyms 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

for a moment that sounded like Sal had joined the thread!

😂😂😂

DisappointedReader · 02/08/2025 23:21

Our Cat isn't very Alert tonight. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Thank you for that detour, @AlertCat

I was a bit worried about how much bigger @AldoGordo was going to have to try to go with that Observer image. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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FurryHappyKittens · 02/08/2025 23:35

I wonder if Chloe's spoken to anyone such as Polly, or whoever's flat they stayed in at Polruan.

Or someone or people they met whilst on one of their walks who they asked for favours and promised x, y, z down the line.

I'm intrigued!

DisappointedReader · 02/08/2025 23:39

Fandango52 · 02/08/2025 22:28

It’s lovely, isn’t it 😍 And interesting that the précis of the story is: “This is the little moth’s story of light and dark, of change and adaptation, of survival and hope.” Remind anyone of anything…?

Am I the only one imagining the moth with a little sticky-up hairstyle?

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AldoGordo · 02/08/2025 23:39

DisappointedReader · 02/08/2025 23:21

Our Cat isn't very Alert tonight. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Thank you for that detour, @AlertCat

I was a bit worried about how much bigger @AldoGordo was going to have to try to go with that Observer image. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

I can assure you that is entirely mumsnet's fault for weirdly enlarging it further before one clicks on it. The as yet unknown IT correspondent needs to get on the case. My apologies go to @AlertCat if it seemed I was making fun of their very real struggles to remain alert.

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