Thread 12: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...
2nd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found
3rd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video
4th Observer ‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...
Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn
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New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting. There are currently 10 items on The Observer website The real Salt Path | The Observer
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for eleven very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.
No saltiness. Keep to the path.
Will our life-size cardboard cut-out Simon Armitage keep his head?
NB Timeline coming in the first posts of this thread for reference.

From The Timeline.

21 May 2021 – 15 September 2021
Sally Walker states her and Tim walked the length of Britain on various long distance footpaths (Raynor Winn Instagram; Landlines, 2022)

To me, it felt like a way to write about her 'child of nature' childhood, walking through her old haunts whilst giving the impression that she (and copsford) are the only ones there with/for her mother. No mention of any other visitors or that according to CH, the original manuscript says that her sister was there and would have been making decisions about her mother's care as well.

Thanks, and sorry for not immediately thinking of consulting the omniscient timeline.

I very much doubt that. I imagine people who interviewed them and actually bought into the story feel pissed off, or taken in, or are annoyed with themselves, and don’t want to draw any further attention to the Walkers or their own gullibility. Denouncing them publicly isn’t going to have any effect.

Consider yourself drive by scolded, with reduced fudge rations for the rest of the thread!

😁

4 months....but they cycled a lot of it and who knows how many buses or taxis they took - undermining the "extreme physio as miracle cure" claims.

[Eta] I guess the trip was part of their "rewilding" project too. Disappear for 4 months and let the land do its thing with no intervention, which is probably their definition of rewilding.

Thank you to the PP who linked to the Observer video interview - sorry that I can’t remember who it was! I think it was @Catwith69lives but not sure.

It’s worth watching as it’s clear and informative. It probably goes without saying that it’s also very sad. Re-posting it here for anyone who missed it earlier:

And leaving Bill Cole to wonder what the heck was going on with his cider orchard.

And when he no doubt eventually asks he gets the I may be dead by Christmas spiel.

Talk about manipulative.

Exactly so .

Silence is often better and louder than words .

What is missing from that Observer video is the vital info that, although there are outliers who survive for 10/12 years, they're not walking long distance paths with no discernable symptoms after that length of time.

They have, like all CBD sufferers, been getting progressively worse over those years, and are very poorly.

They're not strolling along grinning, swinging an umbrella about.

Rick Stein is a great pretender himself. Family money funded his failed nightclub and whe5that went tits up he reinvented himself as a chef.

I actually think it is mentioned and discussed, but perhaps not explicitly. The neurologist says around halfway through (around 4:10 to 4:37) that it would be immoral and ethically inappropriate to test if strenuous exercise could help with CBD symptoms because CBD patients would be being asked to do things they couldn’t do. To me, that clearly shows it’s impossible for CBD patients to be able to do any kind of strenuous exercise.

The neurologist also says it’s extremely rare for anyone with CBD to survive beyond 10-12 years after diagnosis, as the outlier cases he has read about are of people who have survived up to that amount of time.

I think it needs to be more explicit, though, because the unaware could think to themselves, well eighteen years is only a few years more, not realising that whatever the number of years, a person with CBD would be very incapacitated by then, not walking about with no discernable symptoms.

Many people just need things spelled out to them a bit more than others, and by not doing that, it muddies things a bit for those who don't realise that even outliers are going to be pretty ill.

Yes, I see what you mean - that’s a very good point.

Gut feeling is that the whole encounter with “Grant” is entirely fictional…not easy to prove though

Sounds like a character from a Jilly cooper novel😄

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I felt it rang true. I think their relationship was difficult but I think there was genuine distress at what her mother was going through. There was another layer on top of projection to TW’s death from CBD, and I also think guilt and possibly resentment or regret at the way things had been between them were there.
There was also a sort of contrast because her mother survived longer than the medics had suggested she would (the short projected time was part of the reason RW said no to the feeding tube) but unlike Moth, this wasn’t a recovery, just a more protracted death.

Having been with my own mother for her illness and death (and having been having very recent therapy and discussing some of her behaviours, and feeling anger from that when she was diagnosed) I could relate to the slight ambivalence combined with deep-felt grief and loss. But maybe I’m projecting there from my own experience.

Interesting, thank you.
I suppose she must feel some strong connection to her parents for choosing the pseudonym that she did, with her maiden name Winn (her father's name essentially) as last name and 'family tradition' Raynor as her first.
I'm not sure which side of the family that name was a tradition on but I think it was her mother's side.

Wasn’t Raynor her mother’s maiden name?

That was me actually 🙂

And I think there is more to come, my impression is they are slowly working their way towards saying that the original CBD diagnosis was a misdiagnosis.

At around 7 min the doctor says:
If there was a case where the survival was longer than 10 to 12 years I would certainly be questioning the diagnosis there.

And at about 5:50 CH quotes him as telling her
that doctors can be confused by a condition that is so rare they don't often come across it.

And I also find it relevant that Dr. James Gratwicke is the first neurologist to actually come forward and openly express doubts about Tim's diagnosis, and I think they must know more than they say here to risk that.

Ah sorry for my mistake - and thanks for posting it. I also agree with all of the points you’ve made here. The fact they openly discuss these points in a filmed interview suggests they must be very sure of what they’re saying. I’m very glad they’re delving into the details of his diagnosis and his condition, to try and get to the bottom of it.

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