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Thread 12: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 02/08/2025 12:25

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...
2nd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found
3rd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video
4th Observer ‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...
Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn
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New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting. There are currently 10 items on The Observer website The real Salt Path | The Observer
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for eleven very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.
No saltiness. Keep to the path.
Will our life-size cardboard cut-out Simon Armitage keep his head?
NB Timeline coming in the first posts of this thread for reference.

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Peladon · 04/08/2025 20:29

Hyenana · 04/08/2025 20:23

Is the 'recent MRI scan' mentioned in that scene more closely explained earlier in the book? Or only on that page?
If there is more about that, could you send me a photo of that as well please? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

Sorry not to be able to help with the follow-up request - I haven't read the book so don't know.

When I read p302, one thing that jumped out was the author's (purported) fear that the illness would progress "despite all the miles" - ie implocation that, whilst nervous at that moment, until then she had been hoping that "the miles" would make Moth better.

candycane222 · 04/08/2025 20:30

ShrinkWrappedInSeattle · 04/08/2025 16:40

I just googled it and found this blogpost:
americymru.net/ceri-shaw/group_discuss/57/how-not-to-dal-dy-dir-by-izzy-wyn-thomas-archived-material

The tone is also like the start of LL…

Plus the phrase “pick apart” which - although not uncommon - she notably uses in her rebuttal

If that was SW, we can add "completely uncalled-for use of comic sans" to her charge sheet 😅

candycane222 · 04/08/2025 20:40

Peladon · 04/08/2025 19:50

LL pages 302 and 303.

It would be lovely to think whatever was ailing TWs dopamine cells was reversed by all that walking - who knows, it migh just be true. But Oh My God two pages of lighs of the M5 and hope rising from a camping stove and and and. I may have made this observation before [😁] but how has anyone managed to read this stuff? It's so preposterously written.

Words · 04/08/2025 21:13

I'm staggering through it but starting to skip some passages and then keep checking how many more pages to go. Not an encouraging sign.

Peladon · 04/08/2025 21:14

candycane222 · 04/08/2025 20:40

It would be lovely to think whatever was ailing TWs dopamine cells was reversed by all that walking - who knows, it migh just be true. But Oh My God two pages of lighs of the M5 and hope rising from a camping stove and and and. I may have made this observation before [😁] but how has anyone managed to read this stuff? It's so preposterously written.

Lit up like a Christmas tree. I suppose readers should be pleased that they were spare the unflinchingly true story about Santa himself coming in and giving them a warm embrace.

DisappointedReader · 04/08/2025 21:15

I think it is heartening that there has been a large and sustained interest in the story for over four weeks and not only across The Observer readership. It has surprised even the investigative journalist involved. As most pps know very well, the interest in our own threads here on MN has very much surprised me. It is also noticeable that the interest has come from a very broad spectrum of people. Over four weeks in I'm still getting frequent notifications of reactions from new readers to posts on our previous eleven threads and I suspect other pps will be too. The Observer's Salt Path exposé has brought new readers to the newspaper online and in print and these threads have brought new posters to MN.

Given what is going on in the world it is even more important that we recognise and exercise our freedom and choice to discuss, and at times be distracted by, the 'little' things in our everyday lives, including books. We are discussing it because we can, even though some would much rather we didn't.

These threads have been a place to discuss the possibilities, to share the information we have found, our professional and personal experience, our opinions, sometimes our stories of the challenges we face in our lives, to offer and receive support, to have some good, honest fun.

Which brings me neatly to honesty because fundamentally honesty is what we are discussing here, that and truth and decency. These are not small things to most of us. These are important things. The lack of them in some quarters is possibly at the root of what is going badly wrong in the world.

We also need and seek connections with others and many of us have found some here, thanks to civil discourse, the power of The Observer and Mumsnet, and an ultimately unflinchingly dishonest, disappointing book.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts, your tenacity, your humour and your company.

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Uricon2 · 04/08/2025 21:18

You would think, wouldn't you, that instead of the excitable game show host performance, the consultant might be a little bit interested in conducting some sort of study into how this medical marvel of reversal of measurable DAT results happened? If not, at least referring on to relevant researchers.

TonstantWeader · 04/08/2025 21:33

FurryHappyKittens · 04/08/2025 18:42

I'd want someone to have eyes on it if only to compare it to the three RW books.

How much of it is in any of them, for instance...

It would be really interesting to put extracts through a programme such as Turnitin, which is a plagiarism check software system used in universities to confirm student assignment authorship.

Tidalisland · 04/08/2025 21:37

Hyenana · 04/08/2025 20:23

Is the 'recent MRI scan' mentioned in that scene more closely explained earlier in the book? Or only on that page?
If there is more about that, could you send me a photo of that as well please? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

I've just scanned Landlines for any other mention of the MRI scan and couldn't see anything. It's possible it's in The Wild Silence.

Uricon2 · 04/08/2025 21:39

The stag and M25 etc, etc rather put me in mind of Roy Batty's famous speech in Bladerunner

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

Only not as good, obviously.

ShrinkWrappedInSeattle · 04/08/2025 21:42

Tidalisland · 04/08/2025 21:37

I've just scanned Landlines for any other mention of the MRI scan and couldn't see anything. It's possible it's in The Wild Silence.

I only listened to the audiobook so can’t check - but I’m pretty sure she does mention it and use her lights metaphor earlier in the LL book…possibly during the walk while she sees some lights in the darkness and links it to the scan.
Then again, I was driving while listening and struggling to stay awake 😊 so was not concentrating well.

PullTheBricksDown · 04/08/2025 21:51

Tidalisland · 04/08/2025 21:37

I've just scanned Landlines for any other mention of the MRI scan and couldn't see anything. It's possible it's in The Wild Silence.

There's this scan in TWS which is about the lights going out. I think this is the scan for comparison. P108

Thread 12: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Hyenana · 04/08/2025 22:25

Peladon · 04/08/2025 20:29

Sorry not to be able to help with the follow-up request - I haven't read the book so don't know.

When I read p302, one thing that jumped out was the author's (purported) fear that the illness would progress "despite all the miles" - ie implocation that, whilst nervous at that moment, until then she had been hoping that "the miles" would make Moth better.

Wasn't the sales pitch for LL that at that time Sally knows that the only thing that can halt the disease are those walks?
At the time of the 3rd book she can hardly be surprised by the unexpected outcome like she was in the first. But she still kind of has to pretend she lives in the real world and not in magical snake-oil land.

SwetSwetSwet · 04/08/2025 22:25

One thing I've found amazing is how much information is available, online and elsewhere, dating back to before TSP was written. There was the video tour of RayWin's home, for example, then newspaper pictures of her as a girl, the account of her parents' wedding, photos of the wreck in France, old articles about family members, her father's occupation, old addresses etc etc etc. No wonder she wrote under a pseudonym!

Divegirl65 · 04/08/2025 22:34

AldoGordo · 04/08/2025 13:42

Can anyone point me to any of the questionble ferry crossings that have been discussed here please?

There was talk in thread 10/11 about the ferry from Plymouth to mount edgcumbe. She says they took the ferry from mount batten to the barbican. Went food shopping then wandered back to the barbican to catch the ferry to mount edgcumbe. However a PP pointed out to me that the ferry to mount edgcumbe leaves from a different part of the city (see attached picture). Another PP also wasn't convinced that the ferry could get stuck on a sandbank as described.

Thread 12: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Thread 12: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Tidalisland · 04/08/2025 22:34

PullTheBricksDown · 04/08/2025 21:51

There's this scan in TWS which is about the lights going out. I think this is the scan for comparison. P108

Ah yes, that must refer to the previous DaT scan.

mauvishagain · 04/08/2025 22:38

SwetSwetSwet · 04/08/2025 22:25

One thing I've found amazing is how much information is available, online and elsewhere, dating back to before TSP was written. There was the video tour of RayWin's home, for example, then newspaper pictures of her as a girl, the account of her parents' wedding, photos of the wreck in France, old articles about family members, her father's occupation, old addresses etc etc etc. No wonder she wrote under a pseudonym!

Well yes. It's alarmingly easy to find out a lot about people online these days!

101Seagulls · 04/08/2025 22:41

I've never been on mn before. I always went to X for topics of interest but I've found the mn experience hugely interesting and informative.

Hyenana · 04/08/2025 22:41

PullTheBricksDown · 04/08/2025 21:51

There's this scan in TWS which is about the lights going out. I think this is the scan for comparison. P108

Thank you but that's not about the MRI, those are two different types of scans.

Thatcannotberight · 04/08/2025 22:47

Thought I'd have a hunt around for ferry information. There is a seasonal ferry that links the Barbican. Royal William Yard and Cremyll ( Mount Edgcumbe) but this seems to have started in 2017.

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Hyenana · 04/08/2025 22:54

CoolBath · 03/08/2025 23:14

Well, she certainly says in TWS she didn’t understand Twitter and Moth says his phone only does calls and texts, and their son has to explain to her how you follow people. And the first person she follows is Bill Cole, apparently. Who knows about Instagram?

So her story is "I've had an Insta account for 2 years and been happily posting stuff but can't for the life of me work out how to hit the follow button on Twitter" ?? Mmmhokay Sal...

Fandango52 · 04/08/2025 22:58

Hyenana · 04/08/2025 22:54

So her story is "I've had an Insta account for 2 years and been happily posting stuff but can't for the life of me work out how to hit the follow button on Twitter" ?? Mmmhokay Sal...

I don’t blame Sal - Instagram is generally more pleasant than Twitter! Not the point though, I know.

Tidalisland · 04/08/2025 22:59

Hyenana · 04/08/2025 22:41

Thank you but that's not about the MRI, those are two different types of scans.

@Hyenana I did a very quick scan of TWS but could not find mention of an MRI scan.

Hyenana · 04/08/2025 23:02

AlertCat · 04/08/2025 06:59

@Hyenana i wonder if he has a leftward lean anyway?

I was more surprised at how short his trousers are in that full-length picture. I know he’s tall, but surely even tall men can get trousers that fall to touch the middle part of their shoes!?

He does not have a leftward lean - he leans very much where the fancy takes him

Thread 12: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Fandango52 · 04/08/2025 23:06

Hyenana · 04/08/2025 23:02

He does not have a leftward lean - he leans very much where the fancy takes him

😂😂 physically, economically and politically…?

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