Thread 11: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting. There are currently 10 items on The Observer website The real Salt Path | The Observer

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for ten very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path.

Does stolen fudge taste better?

Did Tim's brother already own the pigeonnier when Tim bought the property next door?

Am updating Timeline.

@Catwith69lives - you said the final court case was June 2013, do you have a ref?

Can you cite the scientific research which has shown the stress causing this brain signalling and which receptors are awry when the source is stress in these FND symptom situations?

Because I don’t think there is any. None I am aware of.

From the 1st Observer article:
"Months later, James’s business went bust and in 2010 his loan to the Walkers was transferred to two men he owed money to. The men called in the Walkers’ loan and, when they didn’t pay , took them to court in 2012. During the case James filed a witness statement in which he told the court that “the purpose of the loan is clear: it was required to settle a criminal allegation made against Mrs Walker”.
The court ruled that the Walkers had to repay the debt – which with interest now exceeded £150,000. If they failed to do so within one year, the new creditors could repossess their home.
The Walkers, who were both out of work, had little hope of finding the money. But they came up with an extraordinary plan. Less than two months after the judg ment, Sally and Tim started their own company, Gangani Publishing. It only ever published one novel, How Not to Dal dy Dir (Stand Firm), written by an unknown writer called Izzy Wyn -Thomas.
Readers were encouraged to purchase the novel directly from Gangani’s website, which is no longer active. And the Walkers offered an intriguing enticement. For every copy bought, purchasers would be entered into a free prize draw with a chance to win the Walkers’ home in Wales – the same property that a judge had ordered to be repossessed if they didn’t sell it.
In the prize draw’s terms and conditions, the Walkers said the house was being “offered free of mortgage or any other legal or registered charge”. In fact, at this point the couple had a mortgage of £230,000 in addition to the loan to James. The house was worth less than these sums combined.
It isn’t known what happened to the money raised from this enterprise or whether the Walkers returned the proceeds after their house was finally repossessed in June 2013."

So the final court case was in 2012 and the repossession in 2013.

A question I've had is : do we know it is the Chateau-owning brother that also owns the pigeonnier? I thought I'd seen somewhere that it was the other brother .....?

Thanks!

Can someone give me the dates for the three medical letters, please :) TY

@TheBrandyPath thank you. It’s so hard to put into words everything that has been affected by their deceit.

I think Chloe H needs to clarify this point. Was there a final attempt by the Walkers for a stay of execution in June 2013 which was overturned by the judge and bailiffs called in 7 days later or is this complete fabrication. Without access to the solicitors letters or the details of the final court judgement, its difficult for outsiders to know.

The chateau owning brother bought the pigeonnier (and possibly the adjoining property) in 2004 and then possibly subdivided the plot and sold the house to TW in 2007. The other brother (with whom TW stayed in 2013) still lived in Staffordshire at that point in time.

They are in Raysal's statement, on the link in the OP.
19/06/15
11/10/19
25/02/25

@HatStickBoots Yes, that sounds distressing. There was an earlier link to a radio interview with the actor who played Moth, from @Hyenana and we thought how awful it will be for him to process all of this now:

9 mins in www.listennotes.com/podcasts/popcorn-podcast/jason-isaacs-interview-the-LVS7mFlWORc/

Is there anything vital anyone wants in the Timeline before I upload?

Thank you, was in midst of Timelining :)

@LetsBeSensible , no I can't cite any research. (Neither can I cite any which proves the opposite). But I lifted that quoted phrase without alteration directly from the website that you linked to. Perhaps the author of that could help?

Thanks - I wanted that clarified as somewhere it said that the youngest brother had the property next door to the Walkers. They may not have known there were three brothers though- so it was just younger.

Sounds like the Deathly Hallows!

What's the reference for that, please? :)

No, we are discussing your original comment about “subconscious turmoil” which you are trying to link to the NHS information that sometimes there may be a cause which is stress.

There’s nothing to justify saying it has psychological causes at all, in fact you don’t know what the cause is, or how to differentiate between causes. Maybe have a think about that before being so confident in judging patients.

Does it really matter, legally? If there was a court ruling in 2012 saying 'pay back within one year or your house is gone', and there is an attempt for stay of execution in 2013 and somehow a period of 7 days is involved, it does not make the story of 'we had 7 days after the ruling' any truer, because they knew for one year what was going to happen if they did not pay, and even tried to raffle the house themselves.
Although psychologically speaking, it would be interesting to know if the 7 days are just plucked from thin air for dramatic effect, or a reworking of a real event that SW might even believe is somehow morally true.

Martyn (b 1961) owns the chateau, adrian (b 1963) lived in Staffs in 2013 ( FreeBMD/FindmyPast).and doesn't feature in the photos of the family (TW+SW+MW+children) in Le Village du Dropt from 2004 featured in the DM article.

@LetsBeSensible now there's the rub; you assume that suggesting there's a psychological component to something inexplicable is judging the person, and I wonder why you think that. I wonder if people who think like that look down on those with "proven" psychological ill health. I don't, and I am a realist about the mind/body interface, so there is no judgement.

I'm not going to get further embroiled in this as you've chosen to judge something I've said according to your incorrect perception of my mindset; and, as before, this is nothing to do with the thread.

Sorry to everyone else for the interruptions!

Thanks!

not sure if it's vital, but:
2004: TW leaves/looses NT garden job
2008: SW looses bookkeeping job, huge loan
2009: TW first assessment for mysterious symptoms that allegedly started in 2005 or 2006 (in TSP dated forwards to 2007, with start of treatment dated back to 2007 also) which lead to inability to work and necessity of retraining/study

Hahaha!

Looking at my copy of TSP I've just found this quote from Paddy Dillon. SW uses it at the start of part 2:

"While some might be daunted at the prospect of walking for weeks on end, - - - it is simply a matter of careful planning"

That does look strange - with the 3 year gap after the gardening job, and with being unwell - to buy the land?

One other observation about the neurologist's letter of 2015. The neurologist states that he had seen TW that same day having being told by Mr Walker that his father is alive and well while his mother died some years ago in her 50s. His mother was born in 1938 so this would imply between 1988-1998.

This is somewhat strange as online records suggest that TW's mother continued living with his father in a house close to their Welsh farmhouse until she died in 2018.