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Thread 11: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 29/07/2025 15:01

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...
2nd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found
3rd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video
4th Observer ‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...
Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn
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New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting. There are currently 10 items on The Observer website The real Salt Path | The Observer

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for ten very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path.

Does stolen fudge taste better?

The real Salt Path | The Observer

The real Salt Path | The Observer

<p>The truth behind the blockbuster book and film</p>

https://observer.co.uk/collections/the-real-salt-path

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Fandango52 · 31/07/2025 15:12

mycatismyworld · 31/07/2025 15:03

Yes I can clearly hear the echo in the room/hall?

RW says in the video that it’s a barn, so it would make sense for it to be echo-ey. Not defending her, but just saying it’s still plausible for now that she’s genuinely in a barn and not in a shabby-looking set hastily assembled in a nice house somewhere.

TonstantWeader · 31/07/2025 15:16

OhEsme · 31/07/2025 14:42

I suspect the agent is devastated. We can argue about due diligence, and yeah, there doesn't seem to have been a whole lot of it along the way, but this will be a woman who put her trust in the author who is every agent's dream – all the way to the film deal and beyond. And she'll likely imagine she knows RW very well, and they'll certainly have had what she thinks of as a really close relationship. So I'm not at all condoning the silly post likes or the agency's really stupid and irritating refusal to accept the reality of this, or its refusal to say absolutely anything at all, but RW's agent will for sure be pretty traumatised by the whole thing, and genuinely so. No author I've ever known has been asked by an agent to verify themselves in any way. For better or worse – certainly for worse! – that's just not how it works. It's a trusting business, and sometimes you get burned. Sooner or later they're going to have to own up to that. In the meantime, I suspect they're still licking their wounds.

I would agree. The agent will have been trying to come to terms with the fact that everything she thought was true isn't in fact so. I do feel for her. I read the same desperation to believe in that blog post, which to me explains the naivete of it. I hate 'be kind' though. It only ever flows one way and is shorthand for 'shut up and stop presenting me with inconvenient facts & things I don't want to hear.' And it's usually only ever aimed at women. Funny that. As was said upthread, SW wasn't 'kind' to the Hemmings in any way. I still marvel at the brass neck of her sitting in their house eating Christmas dinner with them while knowing she'd ripped them off for years. Be kind my arse.....

User14March · 31/07/2025 15:16

Fandango52 · 31/07/2025 14:06

Thanks for posting this.

At the risk of stating the bleedin’ obvious, it’s strange watching this now in light of the Observer’s articles, and makes me feel a bit sad, as I don’t want the furore around her to affect the causes she supported. She comes across as a really effective spokeswoman for homelessness.

This might be an unpopular take, but I actually like how she comes across here and I agree with everything she says about homelessness. I’m not a fan of her speaking voice, as I find it a bit unclear, but she’s a strong communicator here and makes her points even more effective by linking them to her own experiences (even though we know they’re now not completely true…) I know she’s had years to polish up and perfect her story, but she never seems lost for words either here or in any of the interviews she’s done. No doubt that’s part of the reason why Penguin booked her in for so many promo opportunities!

I agree she’s a very powerful spokesperson here. It’s almost as if she’s on a journey of atonement.

A few things strike me:

  1. All this ‘recoiling’…Why would people assume they were down-and-outs or tramps? Surely slightly raggedy back packers on a hiking trail.
  2. She says, to paraphrase, ‘sure we could have stayed with friends & relatives or sofa surfed but that’s a SURE way to fall out with someone.
  3. Moth - he’s not on camera but ‘appears’ via voice. It’s as if they’ve contrived to keep the ‘Moth mystique’ to have him close but always invisible. He’s to sleep rough too - they’ll need more cardboard.
mycatismyworld · 31/07/2025 15:21

Fandango52 · 31/07/2025 14:57

Very good points. Perhaps for adding to the timeline/inconsistency list?

So if they left their Staffordshire home in 2004 in a hurry .Their son would have been 15 at that time. Their motive for leaving was because their 15 year old son" had managed to get out of the house and down the road on his own"
Sally was not born in Gwynedd either
Most likely had a major bust up with his Dad about the family business. I wonder who did their books

TonstantWeader · 31/07/2025 15:24

oh good spot, @mycatismyworld! I'd assumed the son who got out was a toddler at the time 😂but thinking back, weren't they in Wales a bit earlier than 2004? I thought TW had been gardening up there since about 2001, and didn't they buy the Welsh house some time in the 90s? Do correct me if I'm misremembering (mistakes were made etc etc)

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 31/07/2025 15:26

Catwith69lives · 31/07/2025 14:20

I have to disagree for the reasons cited in Francis Gilbert's pithy synopsis of the case for the prosecution.

Thirteen Ways of Looking at The Salt Path After the Truth Came Out - Francis Gilbert

Ah, it was just a thought. Because I reckon that they are busy laying the groundwork now, reading through all the threads like this and working on refuting all allegations, and 'smoothing it all out'. And it's definitely the approach I'd use, along the lines of 'it's MY truth.'

crossedlines · 31/07/2025 15:28

Crying at the 15 year old getting out and down the road as the trigger for moving 😂

GogleddCymru · 31/07/2025 15:30

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 31/07/2025 11:21

Did our friend who popped up on previous threads use "salted" a lot? I'm trying to remember but all their posts became a bit like white noise after a while.

I can't remember, although I agree somebody did. The 'voice' of the blog post seems rather different to our friend's posts on here - breathless adoration rather than scolding & finger-wagging - but some of the terminology was noticeably similar.

Catwith69lives · 31/07/2025 15:31

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 31/07/2025 15:26

Ah, it was just a thought. Because I reckon that they are busy laying the groundwork now, reading through all the threads like this and working on refuting all allegations, and 'smoothing it all out'. And it's definitely the approach I'd use, along the lines of 'it's MY truth.'

Unless they can produce the neurologist's letters from June/July and October 2013 confirming the CBD diagnosis described in TSP, I don't think the refutation of the allegations or 'smoothing it all out' strategy will wash.

Hyenana · 31/07/2025 15:33

Fandango52 · 31/07/2025 14:57

Very good points. Perhaps for adding to the timeline/inconsistency list?

I forgot who is doing that list - do I have to send them a private message about this?
I haven't even figured out yet how to answer somebody without quoting them..

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 31/07/2025 15:33

Catwith69lives · 31/07/2025 15:31

Unless they can produce the neurologist's letters from June/July and October 2013 confirming the CBD diagnosis described in TSP, I don't think the refutation of the allegations or 'smoothing it all out' strategy will wash.

I don't think anything will work. There's been too much obfuscation and outright lying, but I'm just pondering aimlessly on what the approach is going to be when RayMoth eventually comes out of hiding. Because she's got to say something, hasn't she, and with her personality type I'd put bets on some kind of blame shifting or rewriting of the past to make her in the right.

Fandango52 · 31/07/2025 15:34

crossedlines · 31/07/2025 15:28

Crying at the 15 year old getting out and down the road as the trigger for moving 😂

😂😂

Fandango52 · 31/07/2025 15:37

Hyenana · 31/07/2025 15:33

I forgot who is doing that list - do I have to send them a private message about this?
I haven't even figured out yet how to answer somebody without quoting them..

@AldoGordo is working on the inconsistencies list and @FurryHappyKittens on the timeline. Huge thanks to both of you 😍 You can reply to people without quoting them by just writing the ‘@‘ sign and putting their username after that (like I’ve done above).

Fandango52 · 31/07/2025 15:38

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 31/07/2025 15:33

I don't think anything will work. There's been too much obfuscation and outright lying, but I'm just pondering aimlessly on what the approach is going to be when RayMoth eventually comes out of hiding. Because she's got to say something, hasn't she, and with her personality type I'd put bets on some kind of blame shifting or rewriting of the past to make her in the right.

Maybe she thinks she’s already said enough, with her initial rebuttal statement. Not sure though. It all depends on what still comes out.

Hyenana · 31/07/2025 15:39

mycatismyworld · 31/07/2025 15:21

So if they left their Staffordshire home in 2004 in a hurry .Their son would have been 15 at that time. Their motive for leaving was because their 15 year old son" had managed to get out of the house and down the road on his own"
Sally was not born in Gwynedd either
Most likely had a major bust up with his Dad about the family business. I wonder who did their books

The 2004 article says they left Staffordshire ten years earlier, so 1994/5 - TW became head gardener in 1995 after working a couple months as a volunteer.
So the son would have been around 5 or 6 when they moved, if he is 36 now.

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 31/07/2025 15:42

Where is it mentioned about one of the children getting out? I have only seen it on here but am only on TWS and I find it very slow going.

BUT I have noticed that the diagnosis consultation was in Liverpool in TSP (sitting on the corner of his desk) but in TWS, it is in Wales (doctor sitting on the edge of his table). Maybe need a better editor /proof reader?

Fandango52 · 31/07/2025 15:46

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 31/07/2025 15:42

Where is it mentioned about one of the children getting out? I have only seen it on here but am only on TWS and I find it very slow going.

BUT I have noticed that the diagnosis consultation was in Liverpool in TSP (sitting on the corner of his desk) but in TWS, it is in Wales (doctor sitting on the edge of his table). Maybe need a better editor /proof reader?

Wow good spot, @RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays . One for the inconsistency list, @AldoGordo ? Sorry to keep @-ing you by the way - please shout if it’s annoying and you want me to stop!

NoCowardSoul · 31/07/2025 15:46

I agree with @OhEsme about her agent being likely to be still reeling. An agent takes on a writer because they’re genuinely enthused by their work, and they do often become close. They’ll have worked on initial edits together, and a pitch letter for editors, and been involved in the sale, or auction, if more than one publisher was interested, and the pleasure and excitement of it doing well.

It’s possible Jen Christie is an amoral cynic with £££ signs for eyes, obviously, but it’s equally possible she believed she knew Sally Walker well, and is just another in the line of people disturbed by the realisation that they didn’t.

I also agree, @Vroomfondleswaistcoat — if Chloe H points out inconsistencies in the supposed walks, routes, dates, the defence will be rearrangement for narrative purposes, and pointing to other travel writers whose work can’t possibly have been in any way an accurate account of their travels, like Patrick Leigh Fermor, whose A Time of Gifts, about the first part of a walk done when he was 18/19, wasn’t published till he was in his 60s. Or Bruce Chatwin, who said he didn’t see any distinction between fact and fiction.

DisappointedReader · 31/07/2025 15:47

Fandango52 · 31/07/2025 15:12

RW says in the video that it’s a barn, so it would make sense for it to be echo-ey. Not defending her, but just saying it’s still plausible for now that she’s genuinely in a barn and not in a shabby-looking set hastily assembled in a nice house somewhere.

Just for clarity, this was tongue in cheek, although it did occur to me and with all the doubts in the shed it is not beyond the bounds of possibility.

If the video was filmed 4 years ago (?), could it have been taken at Bill Cole's cider farm?

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Hyenana · 31/07/2025 15:50

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 31/07/2025 15:42

Where is it mentioned about one of the children getting out? I have only seen it on here but am only on TWS and I find it very slow going.

BUT I have noticed that the diagnosis consultation was in Liverpool in TSP (sitting on the corner of his desk) but in TWS, it is in Wales (doctor sitting on the edge of his table). Maybe need a better editor /proof reader?

The story about the child running out is here https://archive.ph/6KXzq

mycatismyworld · 31/07/2025 15:52

TonstantWeader · 31/07/2025 15:24

oh good spot, @mycatismyworld! I'd assumed the son who got out was a toddler at the time 😂but thinking back, weren't they in Wales a bit earlier than 2004? I thought TW had been gardening up there since about 2001, and didn't they buy the Welsh house some time in the 90s? Do correct me if I'm misremembering (mistakes were made etc etc)

Edited

My bad I read the publication as 2014...so yes thr children would have been 3 and 5.

PullTheBricksDown · 31/07/2025 15:56

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 31/07/2025 15:42

Where is it mentioned about one of the children getting out? I have only seen it on here but am only on TWS and I find it very slow going.

BUT I have noticed that the diagnosis consultation was in Liverpool in TSP (sitting on the corner of his desk) but in TWS, it is in Wales (doctor sitting on the edge of his table). Maybe need a better editor /proof reader?

Good catch!

The centre they were seen at seems overwhelmingly likely to be the Walton Centre in Liverpool, a specialist neurological hospital. They take referrals from a wide area. A relative of mine was treated there for a very unusual brain condition, and let's just say their experience - including the detailed and meticulous care for years afterwards - was very different to the way it's described as happening with Moth. I don't know the Welsh healthcare system so if anyone knows if there's anything comparable in Wales, please say. But I'd be very surprised if it wasn't Walton. Interesting that this changed in book two and whether that was about already thinking in terms of covering their tracks.

User14March · 31/07/2025 15:59

DisappointedReader · 31/07/2025 15:47

Just for clarity, this was tongue in cheek, although it did occur to me and with all the doubts in the shed it is not beyond the bounds of possibility.

If the video was filmed 4 years ago (?), could it have been taken at Bill Cole's cider farm?

Well she mentions the stored apples where she is…

AldoGordo · 31/07/2025 16:01

mycatismyworld · 31/07/2025 15:21

So if they left their Staffordshire home in 2004 in a hurry .Their son would have been 15 at that time. Their motive for leaving was because their 15 year old son" had managed to get out of the house and down the road on his own"
Sally was not born in Gwynedd either
Most likely had a major bust up with his Dad about the family business. I wonder who did their books

They didn't leave their Staffordshire home in 2004...think you're getting confused with all the timeline info. They moved in early 1990s.

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