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To think the RNLI are 100% in the right

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SanFranBear · 29/07/2025 09:44

I've just seen this story on the BBC news homepage where the RNLI are being accused of acting as a taxi service for migrants trying to enter the UK on small boats from Europe.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dejyg4l37o

The organisation and volunteers quite rightly have responded to say they make no apologies for saving lives at sea and that their work has no political motivation.

Damn straight - one of the volunteers further down the article explains the profound impact he feels of encountering people struggling in our waters.

It makes me wonder what critics of the service expect them to do - just sail away, leaving the people to die? Pick them up and cross the channel to dump them back 'where they came from'?

What is wrong with them? Where is their compassion? Regardless of your thoughts on immigration, this is so cold and inhuman....

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TheNuthatch · 31/07/2025 20:43

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:41

I keep hearing ‘country is a tinderbox’. Odd phrase. Not a normal expression. Why is everyone using it? Especially when it clearly isn’t.
It’s nit my job to decide limits. International governments need to work it out though, because global warming is about to make it a lot more difficult.

I find this really odd. Do you live somewhere very rural? I have driven past a protest today.

LemonBeagle · 31/07/2025 20:43

Foe a while under Rishi they were spending a lot on security on the France side to stop boats launching. I'm sure there's more that can be done on that side. But UK would have to pay

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:44

TheNuthatch · 31/07/2025 20:43

I find this really odd. Do you live somewhere very rural? I have driven past a protest today.

I live just outside Cardiff. Protest against what? Where?

TheNuthatch · 31/07/2025 20:44

Julen7 · 31/07/2025 20:38

Wonder if Starmer even aware.

He also suffers from ostrich syndrome

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 20:45

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:42

Been explained about a million times.
And to misquote Kathy Burke, I’d rather be a bleeding heart than an ignorant fucking twat.

Humour me.

Go on, explain.

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:46

LemonBeagle · 31/07/2025 20:43

Foe a while under Rishi they were spending a lot on security on the France side to stop boats launching. I'm sure there's more that can be done on that side. But UK would have to pay

Starmer has made a new deal with France.

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:46

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 20:45

Humour me.

Go on, explain.

No. Look back on the thread. Lots of resources. I’m bored with wilful ignorance.

TheNuthatch · 31/07/2025 20:48

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:44

I live just outside Cardiff. Protest against what? Where?

Outside a migrants hotel. Do you live near any? I find it strange that you don't see or feel the tension, hence the tinderbox description.

DuncinToffee · 31/07/2025 20:49

Women and children are more likely to be exploited en route

According to the UN, women and children are at high risk of sexual abuse, violence and exploitation while travelling from a war zone to safety. This can happen at any point of an unsafe route, which increases the risk of gender-based violence, including human trafficking. Many men choose to take an unsafe route so their female family members can take a safer route later on and avoid potential violence and exploitation.

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 20:52

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:46

No. Look back on the thread. Lots of resources. I’m bored with wilful ignorance.

Edited

Ha ha ha!

You CAN’T!

DuncinToffee · 31/07/2025 20:53

https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/immigration/exclusive-inside-the-diss-hotel-a-refugees-view-of-the-anti-refugee-crowd-outside/

Some of the younger children, too little to grasp what was unfolding outside the hotel, were not as afraid. But the tearful, frightened eyes of a ten-year-old girl clinging to her father’s chest told a different story. The terrifying chants of young men echoing through the hotel – “Send them out!” – filled the air like an ominous drumbeat. An eight-year-old boy, fluent in English despite what protesters outside may have assumed, turned to his mother and asked: “Why do we have to leave? What have we done wrong?”

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:54

TheNuthatch · 31/07/2025 20:48

Outside a migrants hotel. Do you live near any? I find it strange that you don't see or feel the tension, hence the tinderbox description.

I’ve worked with asylum seekers and refugees. I don’t know if there’s an asylum hotel near me (why would I?) but I assume there is as we have hig( numbers of both asylum seekers and refugees in about a 5 min drive radius from me no tension. No tension. No tinderbox.
Why protest an asylum hotel? I don’t get it. Peiple have to live somewhere. They wouldn’t be in so many hotels if the Tories weren’t such utter fuck ups (or possibly hadn’t let the numbers build up deliberately, which seems more likely - populist politics. Stoke division)

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 20:55

DuncinToffee · 31/07/2025 20:49

Women and children are more likely to be exploited en route

According to the UN, women and children are at high risk of sexual abuse, violence and exploitation while travelling from a war zone to safety. This can happen at any point of an unsafe route, which increases the risk of gender-based violence, including human trafficking. Many men choose to take an unsafe route so their female family members can take a safer route later on and avoid potential violence and exploitation.

So they’re more in danger travelling from a place where they’re in grave danger than they are staying there?

Maybe the danger isn’t all that grave then.

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:55

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 20:52

Ha ha ha!

You CAN’T!

I could. But you have been told repeatedly and have decided to ignore.
pointless.
Look. Back. On. The. Thread. I’m not even asking you to look anywhere else.

EasternStandard · 31/07/2025 20:55

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:54

I’ve worked with asylum seekers and refugees. I don’t know if there’s an asylum hotel near me (why would I?) but I assume there is as we have hig( numbers of both asylum seekers and refugees in about a 5 min drive radius from me no tension. No tension. No tinderbox.
Why protest an asylum hotel? I don’t get it. Peiple have to live somewhere. They wouldn’t be in so many hotels if the Tories weren’t such utter fuck ups (or possibly hadn’t let the numbers build up deliberately, which seems more likely - populist politics. Stoke division)

Edited

Why don’t posters look at crossings under Labour?

They are going up.

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 20:56

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:55

I could. But you have been told repeatedly and have decided to ignore.
pointless.
Look. Back. On. The. Thread. I’m not even asking you to look anywhere else.

If you could GO ON THEN.

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:57

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 20:56

If you could GO ON THEN.

No. It’s on this thread. Repeatedly.

RantzNotBantz · 31/07/2025 20:57

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 20:40

I’m waiting for one of you bleeding hearts to explain why these men have left their wives and children behind in mortal peril.

  1. Men are more of a target in areas of political oppression and war
  2. Men often come first making difficult journeys, because the journey is dangerous, easier alone, and then rely on family re-unification to bring women and children.
  3. Many of the single men are Albanian… and get sent back. Only 2% of Albanians arriving are granted asylum status.

Should you be interested you can read a wide range of factual information about many aspects of migration here, The Migration Observatory This is a project co-ordinated by Oxford University , and they explain the higher number of men in this page, and on other pages demonstrate the women and children who then join these men.

People crossing the English Channel in small boats - Migration Observatory

This briefing examines the phenomenon of people crossing the English Channel in small boats.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

Goldenbear · 31/07/2025 20:58

TheNuthatch · 31/07/2025 20:48

Outside a migrants hotel. Do you live near any? I find it strange that you don't see or feel the tension, hence the tinderbox description.

You come across like you are willing on this "Tinderbox" scenario. I live in a City and don't see any such thing. I am also visiting my parent and don't see anything arising like this outside a hotel.

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:59

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 20:55

So they’re more in danger travelling from a place where they’re in grave danger than they are staying there?

Maybe the danger isn’t all that grave then.

You understand that there can be grave danger and even worse danger?
Do you think it’s a good idea for women to risk rape and trafficking on top of the fear of bombing?

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 21:01

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:59

You understand that there can be grave danger and even worse danger?
Do you think it’s a good idea for women to risk rape and trafficking on top of the fear of bombing?

Edited

Of course I understand that.

But if the journey is more perilous than sticking around then how dangerous can sticking around really be?

DuncinToffee · 31/07/2025 21:02

"Why are so many refugees men?" is a question that many people ask. But is it actually true?

@ Refugees stats indicate over 48% of displaced people worldwide are women and girls.

However, most refugees who reach Europe are men due to several different factors (1/6)

https://x.com/refugeecouncil/status/1686290578886062080

Funeraltango · 31/07/2025 21:03

cardibach · 31/07/2025 20:59

You understand that there can be grave danger and even worse danger?
Do you think it’s a good idea for women to risk rape and trafficking on top of the fear of bombing?

Edited

Also they’re presumably also risking rape by sticking around. War zones aren’t exactly safe for women and kids.

EasternStandard · 31/07/2025 21:04

Goldenbear · 31/07/2025 20:58

You come across like you are willing on this "Tinderbox" scenario. I live in a City and don't see any such thing. I am also visiting my parent and don't see anything arising like this outside a hotel.

The pp doesn’t sound like that but it’s pretty obvious migration pressures are increasing, if people look to the EU too.

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