To think The West is morally bankrupt

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America democratically elects an adjudicate rapist who sympathises with racists, hates women and will do anything to hang onto power. The UK and it's lickspitrlw leader fawn over Trump and says that Israel has rhe right to cut off food and water to Gaza. Then wairs a year watching children die before saying it is intolerable. Except he is tolerating it.We all are.
The West is pumping out carbon at a vast rate and will no doubt reject the flood of refugees that this will cause.
The West takes more than it's fair share of the world's wealth. Much of the West is based on colonial exploration and murder of the global south.
I used to think we were the good guys.
We are not. We are one of the worst things ever to happen to the planet and it's inhabitants.

Well if we a talking support for unconvicted sex offendes, let’s consider the marrying of nine year olds….

Nailed it

I think the UK is pretty great actually.

Wasn’t just the west that had a slave trade

Who is ‘we’?

Who do you think actually believes what you said?

Politicians like Farage, Rees-Mogg, certainly Boris Johnson and his crew when they were in, but do you think most normal people share this sentiment? It’s been drummed into us and certainly our children’s generation that we’re basically just above Russia, China, Syria and Iran in the morally shit and useless stakes.

I can’t think of anyone who’s openly proud to be British anymore bc it’s like admitting you’re a racist. The one time it’s tolerated is if we win at a sporting event, but that’s short-lived.

It’s like arguing with a teenager. Full of generalised hatred and righteousness and certainty that they have the answers to the world’s problems.
OP if you were in charge of ‘the West’ what would you actually DO? As your first actions? As there is no ‘West’ let’s say you’re the despotic leader of the UK and can go and kill off the people who disagree with you. I’d love to hear your plans so we can actually lead you step by step though the consequences and try and get you to realise you’re no better than anyone else.
Pol Pot thought he knew how to make things morally correct.

I don't disagree with your points that the West is guilty of many things, but honestly I don't think it's as easy as looking at the west and pinpointing the blame firmly in one place.
There are issues everywhere, somewhat varying but no less important.
There are also seemingly no "good guys".

Oh blah blah blah, there are no 'good guys'.

Humans are tribal, we will always prioritise our own over others. Always.

You may have been in a special, happy bubble, where you deluded yourself that you were somehow special and nice, but that was because you were being protected and coddled.

You get the luxury of complaining and bitching, and carrying on because other people do nasty dirty things on your behalf because you are part of their tribe.

Do you feed your children over others? Do you ensure they are safe and warm, while you have the knowledge others are cold and hungry? Could you fit a couple more in your house no matter how small it is? Could you split your food a little further, but you don't because you prioritise your own? Congratulations, you are just like everyone else.

The West, the East, it is all arbitrary. Technologically advanced tribes are going to take what they can from less technologically advanced tribes. Humans are going to human.

When push comes to shove, you do the same. You will watch those Gazan kids starve while feeding your own. You will watch kids in your own country/city/town starve while feeding your own. Of course you will, it is stupid to pretend otherwise. If you wouldn't feed your kids or kill to protect them, or your own tribe then you have no business being a mother/parent and you and your people won't last very long any way.

You can pretend that the less developed world is nicer than the West if you like, it isn't true. People are people, and once they have power they use it. Don't be so fucking stupid.

Stop whining and either get up and DO something yourself, like I don't know use your own time and money to help people, or shut the fuck up expecting everyone to change their lives and fix everything whilst continuing to coddle you in your delusions about good and bad guys. Grow up.

Gambia as a national state is a recent invention. The colonisation in the region was inter-tribal and involved very nasty slave-taking and trading and particularly cruel treatment of slaves.

OP is being racist towards those OP views as ‘the west’

😂 The arrogance of it!

I think your posts are very revealing, actually. You argue like a teenager who has recently left their little bubble, has encountered people who have challenged their beliefs for the first time and who is now coming home to inform mum and dad that they are, in fact, imperialist scum. Well, as Janets and Brians up and down the land would respond; that’s nice dear. Would you like a cup of tea?

My only question is whether or not you have blue hair.

You are confused - - Hamas & its leadership are responsible. No one else. Trump is many things …. But he is not the cause of Hamas and their governance, policy, military strategy and treatment of women, children and the disabled. Thats 100% Hamas.

It must frustrate you terribly that you know almost nothing about me

I can infer that you're probably having some sort of mental health episode.
If you smoke a lot of weed, my advice would be to stop.

As a second generation Asian Muslim (born and brought up here), I love the UK, esp London and don’t want to live anywhere else. I am not very observant, have an English husband and am fully integrated here. No desire to move anywhere else, including my parents’ home country.

But it’s ok to criticise where you live surely? Everywhere has pros and cons. People get soooo defensive when posters criticise the UK. Automatic rude replies, telling people to leave the country, saying how much worse life would be in other countries (true in many cases). But it’s not perfect here. And we have had our part of play in historical conflicts. Why is it not ok to talk about this stuff?

Should we just be lauding our leader and extolling the benefits of UK life without any negatives? That’s all a bit dictator-y in my eyes.

As someone who works in mental health, I am increasingly disappointed at the use of being mentally unwell as an insult on social media. Please don’t pretend you have genuine concern for that poster either.

Women’s and childrens rights are a very good indicator of who is morally bankrupt OP, also LGB rights.

But it’s ok to criticise where you live surely?

Yes but the OP is spouting wildly hyperbolic, juvenile drivel. I'm sure actual thoughtful criticism would have been received differently.

No, I have seen it on every thread when somebody has the audacity to critique the UK. The automatic response is, ‘leave the country then, you won’t be missed!’ That is also juvenile in my eyes.

Oh the west is so horrid! 🥱

Funny how everyone is flocking here isn't it.

No, I have seen it on every thread when somebody has the audacity to critique the UK

This OP has cast their net far wider - the whole West!
So i guess they could move to Gambia since that got a fond mention.

Ah The Gambia the bastion of historical morality.

'About 5,000 slaves a year were shipped to America from the Gambia during the 17th and 18th centuries. Mandinka mansas grew rich by raiding neighboring kingdoms and taking captives to be sold as slaves. They also collected customs duties from the European slave traders. In 1808, the British outlawed the slave trade'

I have lived and travelled in many countries on various continents. Nothing comes close to the UK as far as standard of living, access to health services, education, social welfare is concerned. I’ve lived in countries where women are forced to stay with abusive men because there is no support if they leave and the law gives the children to the abuser. I’ve lived in countries where school isn’t free and finishes at 12.45 and little children have to stay alone at home. I’ve lived in countries where people remove their own teeth because they can’t access or afford dental care, where they don’t have access to fresh food or water, where they can be arrested and sent to camps for “correction” for the smallest thing.
There are regimes that don’t allow women to drive. Regimes that send 6 year olds to war. Countries where entire families live on a cabin on stilts over a river, where men marry 6 women, where abortion is illegal, where there are no elections, where the colour of your skin means the difference between mastery and slavery.
The UK is a beacon of opportunity, potential and safety for so many - why do you think people are willing to die on a boat in order to live here?
I always thought, after many years of living in the developing world, that British people seem to complain about things that seem so insignificant, because they are nothing to do with survival. Almost as though you have no real basic problems.
If you were born British you are among the most privileged people in the world.

Despite all the abuse, the people saying my views are rubbish, those questioning my mental health, those commanding me to leave the country when they don't even know where I live, I stand by what I said. If allowing the Netanyahu regime to mass murder innocents including children (alongside a much smaller number of non innocents) were the only thing the west has done wrong, which it obviously isn't, that would still be evidence if moral bankruptcy. Or perhaps you actually think it is ok what Israel is doing. If you do, there's no hope.for you.

Why are you singling out only Israel as an issue? Is that the reason for your post?

Hamas are responsible for the October 7th attacks and no doubt other atrocities.
Trump could have stopped the mass murder of children in Gaza with one statement or phone call. Instead, he supports the sick Netanyahu and lets the murder continue. This is a moral crime