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Malnourished starving children in Gaza

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babyproblems · 26/07/2025 06:42

The photos that appeared this morning on my news updates of mothers holding their children, dying of starvation and extreme malnutrition in Gaza have absolutely broken my heart. I am not particularly news focused, of course I’ve followed it all but this morning it has stopped me in my tracks and took my breath away. As a mother of a 3yo DS who is sleeping peacefully in his bedroom, whilst we have a fridge full of food downstairs and a life of peace, I feel so sorry that those poor mothers and children are living this hell so undeserved and also so so lucky we have the peace we do…
I don’t really know what the point of my post is; I suppose I’m screaming When Will This End inside and want to tell everyone to not take the freedom and peace we have for granted; use your right to vote and use your privilege to make informed choices that steer the world away from conflict towards peace…

Sending a handhold to all the mothers’ whose lives are not being lived in peace and whose children are suffering 🕊️💔

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Radioundermypillow · 27/07/2025 23:42

I wouldn't mind some of the billions spent on war in this country being used to arm UN soldiers to protect aid trucks driven into Gaza. Protect the trucks from Hamas and the IDF. Just get the food in.

shellinmypocket · 28/07/2025 00:16

What is going on with UNRWA not delivering the bloody aid!

TaupeLemur · 28/07/2025 11:40

The Israelis won’t be satisfied until every Palestinian is dead or fled.

shellinmypocket · 28/07/2025 13:30

TaupeLemur · 28/07/2025 11:40

The Israelis won’t be satisfied until every Palestinian is dead or fled.

I think you mean Hamas won't be happy until Israel ceases to exist which means the same thing for the people of Israel. Stop dehumanising the people of Israel.

Radioundermypillow · 28/07/2025 14:08

shellinmypocket · 28/07/2025 13:30

I think you mean Hamas won't be happy until Israel ceases to exist which means the same thing for the people of Israel. Stop dehumanising the people of Israel.

I think the Gazan people are truly being dehumanised. I don't see Israelis being systematically exterminated.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-say-israel-based-human-rights-groups

MiloMinderbinder925 · 28/07/2025 14:52

For the First Time, Israeli Human Rights Groups Say Israel Is Committing Genocide in Gaza, Call for International Intervention

'Genocidal intent throughout': According to the reports by B'Tselem and Physicans for Human Rights – Israel, the Israeli attack on Gaza caused 'massive, indiscriminate bombardment of population centers' and the 'starvation of more than two million people as a method of warfare' against the Palestinians.
https://archive.ph/u48Ro

Back2It · 28/07/2025 17:16

PinkBobby · 27/07/2025 19:11

If any of them are paid to post pro-Israel content, I really feel like they need some more training or some sort of appraisal at this point because so many of the points I’ve seen so far lack any real evidence and/or logic. And then every time I or someone else asks for evidence or sources or reasoning, so many (not all!) seem to disappear or ignore the question completely or start name calling. Which is fine to be fair as it just supports the idea that their views are coming from a place of hatred and not from reason. My feedback would be it is really hard to ‘switch sides’ if I don’t get an evidence based, logical argument to sway my opinion.

I think many of the so-called pro Israel posters, are succeeding in turning more and more people against Israel.

PunctuateTheGarden · 28/07/2025 18:58

Back2It · 28/07/2025 17:16

I think many of the so-called pro Israel posters, are succeeding in turning more and more people against Israel.

I don't understand the boasts about having a non-emotional debate - how can you be human and discuss the deaths of thousands of people and not be emotional about it. The genocide deniers on this thread are a disgrace to humanity, let's hope the world leader catch up soon. Kier Starmner has lost my vote- his lack of moral leadership on this issue is shameful.

Dideon · 28/07/2025 19:22

Back2It · 28/07/2025 17:16

I think many of the so-called pro Israel posters, are succeeding in turning more and more people against Israel.

I’m not sure they realise or care about how many people this thread will reach.

Featherruffler · 28/07/2025 21:58

PunctuateTheGarden · 28/07/2025 18:58

I don't understand the boasts about having a non-emotional debate - how can you be human and discuss the deaths of thousands of people and not be emotional about it. The genocide deniers on this thread are a disgrace to humanity, let's hope the world leader catch up soon. Kier Starmner has lost my vote- his lack of moral leadership on this issue is shameful.

Because emotions will lead you nowhere in the world of politics, especially when it comes to wars and conflicts. You can’t base political decisions purely on emotions. If you act emotional all the time in the world of politics, you might create more chaos and problems than you started with in the first place.
The Palestinian people brought certain decisions in the past and I’m afraid now they are reaping the consequences of those decisions. Voting for the wrong leaders, throwing back every offer of a peaceful co-existence back into Israel’s face, terrorist acts etc…
They (and many other Muslim countries) don’t want to acknowledge Israel’s legitimacy ever since it was created. But if you think about it, many countries in the Middle East were also created in the first half of then 20th century, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria et al. So then based on the same principle, they shouldn’t have legitimacy either.
Btw, show me another group of people who want to solve their problems with acts of terrorism. Putting on a suicide west and blowing themselves up, flying planes into buildings, driving into crowds, going into kindergarten and stabbing the children, terrorising music festivals etc..

Dideon · 28/07/2025 22:10

Featherruffler · 28/07/2025 21:58

Because emotions will lead you nowhere in the world of politics, especially when it comes to wars and conflicts. You can’t base political decisions purely on emotions. If you act emotional all the time in the world of politics, you might create more chaos and problems than you started with in the first place.
The Palestinian people brought certain decisions in the past and I’m afraid now they are reaping the consequences of those decisions. Voting for the wrong leaders, throwing back every offer of a peaceful co-existence back into Israel’s face, terrorist acts etc…
They (and many other Muslim countries) don’t want to acknowledge Israel’s legitimacy ever since it was created. But if you think about it, many countries in the Middle East were also created in the first half of then 20th century, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria et al. So then based on the same principle, they shouldn’t have legitimacy either.
Btw, show me another group of people who want to solve their problems with acts of terrorism. Putting on a suicide west and blowing themselves up, flying planes into buildings, driving into crowds, going into kindergarten and stabbing the children, terrorising music festivals etc..

West Bank settlers ?

Featherruffler · 28/07/2025 22:19

Dideon · 28/07/2025 22:10

West Bank settlers ?

I certainly don’t see Buddhists and Hindus acting like that.

Dideon · 28/07/2025 22:32

You asked which other group solves their problems with act of terrorism and I said West Bank settlers.

Featherruffler · 28/07/2025 22:51

Dideon · 28/07/2025 22:32

You asked which other group solves their problems with act of terrorism and I said West Bank settlers.

Yeah. The Friday people.

ThisNattyTurtle · 28/07/2025 22:59

Featherruffler · 28/07/2025 21:58

Because emotions will lead you nowhere in the world of politics, especially when it comes to wars and conflicts. You can’t base political decisions purely on emotions. If you act emotional all the time in the world of politics, you might create more chaos and problems than you started with in the first place.
The Palestinian people brought certain decisions in the past and I’m afraid now they are reaping the consequences of those decisions. Voting for the wrong leaders, throwing back every offer of a peaceful co-existence back into Israel’s face, terrorist acts etc…
They (and many other Muslim countries) don’t want to acknowledge Israel’s legitimacy ever since it was created. But if you think about it, many countries in the Middle East were also created in the first half of then 20th century, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria et al. So then based on the same principle, they shouldn’t have legitimacy either.
Btw, show me another group of people who want to solve their problems with acts of terrorism. Putting on a suicide west and blowing themselves up, flying planes into buildings, driving into crowds, going into kindergarten and stabbing the children, terrorising music festivals etc..

The other countries that were created in the 20th century did not involve mass killing and forced displacement of 3/4 of the indigenous people living on that land, to make way for foreigners from Europe who wanted to establish a theocracy based on the superiority of one religion.

Modern terrorism in the Middle East started with the Jewish militias' campaign against the British. They bombed the King David hotel, kidnapped British soldiers hanged them from trees and booby trapped their dead bodies to maim the rescuers (Sergeants affair), and hid weapons and fighters in schools, clinics and synagogues (Prof. Neve Gordon, "On Human Shields".) there are blue plaques in Israel commemorating this. Churchill convened an emergency cabinet meeting to discuss the "problem of terrorism in Palestine" - he was talking about the Jewish militias Lethi, the Haganah, and the Irgun. The late Queen didn't let Israelis into the palace because she still viewed them as terrorists.
An Israeli assassinated Shimon Peres, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, because he offered real terms for a state to the Palestinians. No Israeli leader has dared do that since.
An Israeli went into a mosque and opened a machine gun firing indiscriminately from behind at rows of men and boys kneeling in prayer.

Your ignorance is showing.

Featherruffler · 28/07/2025 23:01

ThisNattyTurtle · 28/07/2025 22:59

The other countries that were created in the 20th century did not involve mass killing and forced displacement of 3/4 of the indigenous people living on that land, to make way for foreigners from Europe who wanted to establish a theocracy based on the superiority of one religion.

Modern terrorism in the Middle East started with the Jewish militias' campaign against the British. They bombed the King David hotel, kidnapped British soldiers hanged them from trees and booby trapped their dead bodies to maim the rescuers (Sergeants affair), and hid weapons and fighters in schools, clinics and synagogues (Prof. Neve Gordon, "On Human Shields".) there are blue plaques in Israel commemorating this. Churchill convened an emergency cabinet meeting to discuss the "problem of terrorism in Palestine" - he was talking about the Jewish militias Lethi, the Haganah, and the Irgun. The late Queen didn't let Israelis into the palace because she still viewed them as terrorists.
An Israeli assassinated Shimon Peres, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, because he offered real terms for a state to the Palestinians. No Israeli leader has dared do that since.
An Israeli went into a mosque and opened a machine gun firing indiscriminately from behind at rows of men and boys kneeling in prayer.

Your ignorance is showing.

Nice try.
Try harder.

ThisNattyTurtle · 28/07/2025 23:16

Featherruffler · 28/07/2025 23:01

Nice try.
Try harder.

I really don't need to. Your complete lack of historical knowledge and your inability to post any credible sources or references to back your statements is doing all the work for me. Pray do continue.

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and manufacturing mass starvation, according to all the serious NGOs with any connection or experience. The same NGOs used by the BBC to criticise Russia or Iran or North Korea or any other despotic tyrannical regime. The writing is absolutely on the wall. Time for a change.

Featherruffler · 29/07/2025 07:31

ThisNattyTurtle · 28/07/2025 23:16

I really don't need to. Your complete lack of historical knowledge and your inability to post any credible sources or references to back your statements is doing all the work for me. Pray do continue.

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and manufacturing mass starvation, according to all the serious NGOs with any connection or experience. The same NGOs used by the BBC to criticise Russia or Iran or North Korea or any other despotic tyrannical regime. The writing is absolutely on the wall. Time for a change.

Yes, time for a change, and guess who the change is up to?
Hamas could end all this in a minute. Release the hostages, then sit down and negotiate with Israel. But they don’t have the negotiating skills or the necessary intelligence to do it.

ThisNattyTurtle · 29/07/2025 07:44

Israel is committing genocide according to the UN, Amnesty, HRW, B'Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights Israel, as well as multipleeading scholars.

Israel is an apartheid state long before Oct. 7th according to the ICJ, UN, Amnesty, HRW, etc etc

Long before Oct 7th Israel kidnapped and abused Palestinian children to a tune of 500-700 per year, as per Save the Children (2019 report), UNICEF (2013 report), Amnesty, B'Tselem.

Before Oct. 7th NGOs were warning about the rampant indiscriminate killing of Palestinian children by Israeli army (32 Jan-Sept 2023, 34 Jan - Dec 2022. Save the Children). 39 Israeli children were unforgivably killed Oct. 7th, a UN investigation and survivor testimony shows at least 7 of those were killed by indiscriminate Israeli military fire

Israel is deliberately starving the people of Gaza according to the UN, Oxfam and 98 other NGOs.

Dideon · 29/07/2025 08:00

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BanditLamp · 29/07/2025 08:12

Featherruffler · 29/07/2025 07:31

Yes, time for a change, and guess who the change is up to?
Hamas could end all this in a minute. Release the hostages, then sit down and negotiate with Israel. But they don’t have the negotiating skills or the necessary intelligence to do it.

Look no one here likes Hamas. They are a terrorist organisation. No one expects them to behave any better. So no they won't change, certainly not in the short term, and no one including you seriously expects them too.

So therefore it is up to the Israeli government (an actual government and not a terrorism group) to take responsibility for ensuring the welfare of civilians in Gaza.

It is their legal and moral responsibility.

PunctuateTheGarden · 29/07/2025 08:15

Featherruffler · 29/07/2025 07:31

Yes, time for a change, and guess who the change is up to?
Hamas could end all this in a minute. Release the hostages, then sit down and negotiate with Israel. But they don’t have the negotiating skills or the necessary intelligence to do it.

When the Genocide is complete there won’t be anyone to negotiate with. A neat solution for Israel’s battle over Palestinian territory.

Radioundermypillow · 29/07/2025 08:17

If Israel's aim was to overthrow Hamas and help Palestinians to create a new, legitimate government, and to rebuild Gaza and invest money in the region, the Western world would be behind them. But it's pretty clear that their ultimate aim is what it has been all along, to obliterate Palestine and the Palestinian people and claim Gaza for themselves. And that is ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Featherruffler · 29/07/2025 08:31

PunctuateTheGarden · 29/07/2025 08:15

When the Genocide is complete there won’t be anyone to negotiate with. A neat solution for Israel’s battle over Palestinian territory.

What genocide? There are 2 million Palestinians inside Gaza. Do you really think that Israel would blatantly starve all of them to death in front of the whole world and earn their condemnation?
I know you will say yes to that question.

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