This is why we should bring back the death penalty

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

I agree op. With cases like this where’s it’s there in black and white they should go from the courtroom to the gallows.

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I think the death penalty should only be used in cases where there is no doubt and the crime is particularly heinous. Think Axel Radukabana or the Lee Rigby killer.

If it was cheaper, or easier or worked as a deterrent I'd be with you OP. I lose my need for morals when it comes to people who have none. Unfortunately it's not cheaper or easier, the appeals run on for years and years, and it clearly doesn't work as a deterrent in the US.

What we need to be doing is putting a lot more money into schools, children's social services, parenting classes and support, children's mental health services, paediatricians, fostering, teen drug and alcohol services, university pastoral care - and basically anything and everything that can help to ensure children have a happy, healthy, successful childhood and young adulthood. Happy childhoods lead to happy adulthoods.

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A tiny carpeted cell with entertainment, warmth, three meals a day.. Rose West is living a better retirement than a lot of people can afford to in this country. She is an abhorrent individual who deserves no sympathy. She’s changed her name to apparently give her a clean slate when her miserable life ends. I was surprised to read she was even allowed to do that, doesn’t sound to me that she has processed how wicked her actions were if she thinks she deserves a shot at heaven.

While the story is horrific, You- OP seem increadibly sensitive. For something like that, and through a newspaper article no less - to "stay with you for years" says that maybe you sould seek some councelling for yourself.

A state sanctioned death penalty would be a massive step back in rights, and the possibility of misscaridges of justice is way too high.

he death penalty would only be for the satifiaction of others, as the victim won't know anything about it.

As horrific as it it, the dead are dead - and killing someone else of a premise of it being justice - doesn not make it better, in fact it lowers others to the same level as the criminal

It doesn't lower us to the same level of the criminal at all. Any more than locking someone in prison lowers us to the same level as someone who illegally imprisons someone.

So you would presumably bring back the death penalty also?
An Eye for an Eye and all that?
The entire premise is machiavellian, and medieval.

there are other ways of meting out punishment that odern day people will find far more of a punishment that being killed,

take away their devices, freedom and ability to make choices.

Putting poeple to death makes us no better than killers ourselves

I would bring the death penalty back for all murders in this category and for all child murderers.

Are the family of the victim not also victims? If someone murdered my loved one I'd want them dead.

And that's why we have a legal system and don't let people get their own revenge.

Timothy Evans. Hanged for the murder of his child. Except he didn't do it. Went to the gallows knowing the actual murderer was free.

Do you think that was justice? Acceptable collateral damage?

Indeed. It's also why our legal system should include the death penalty.

Miscarriage of justice is a thing. Innocent people have been hanged in the past. Do you think it's acceptable for it to happen again?

Hopefully things have moved on a bit since the 1950's though! and the real murderer was found after 3 years later at which point appeals would still be going on if the death penalty was brought back now. So he would never have gone through the death penalty today.

Not that I'm saying we should bring back the death penalty, as i said there are other reasons why i think it shouldn't be brought back .There are plenty of cases where there is no doubt who the killer is though - I was just watching The Crossbow Cannibal last night. I wouldn't be crying if he faced the death penalty.

Things have moved on since the 50s. We've got rid of the death penalty.

We have to stop.broken, shitty horrible drug addicted people having babies.
Alot of the time I notice drugs are involved.
There was another one the other day a cocaine addicted woman shook her baby to death.

It's just disgusting,nobody has to get pregnant and nobody has to take drugs.
It's a weakness taking drugs and it's never ends well.
Also because anything goes today and there are no moral standards or shame anymore, people are just shagging around and having babies all the time.

We may have thought that women having to hide their pregnancy's years ago if they were single is old fashioned but honestly look what's happened now.
We are now seeing multiple child and baby deaths, people are shagging around having babies in unstable relationships, sometimes not in a relationship at all. Taking drugs, moving unsuitable and nasty bits of work into their homes around their children.
There are very rarely any deaths in a family where mum and dad are stable and happily married to each other.

It's only going to get worse.
We need radical changes and intervention to change things. It should never have been allowed to get so out of control.

We think it's horrendous that women were stigmatized years ago and didn't keep their babies but now look at it.
There's no shame today and look at the way it's gone. Sad.

Of course Capital Punishment should be reinstated. Yesterday.

Have you read any of the discussions about it on here? The moral objection that if killing someone is wrong then it's wrong no matter who does it

The awful cases of miscarriage of justice?

Are you happy with the possibility of innocents being hanged?

I've covered that. I believe the death penalty should be reserved for cases where there is no doubt. Such as the Southport killer Axel or the Lee Rigby murderer, or the sicko who killed a woman through oral rape.

Balanced and nails it.

So how would that work in practice? Ask the jury to return one of 3 verdicts?

Not guilty
Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
Guilty no doubt

Or would you want a judge/panel of judges look at the evidence once a guilty has been delivered?

How would that work if evidence has been suppressed?

This is the one of worst cases of child abuse I’ve ever come across

Some good, practical, suggestions here. Are you thinking of any? Any plans to actually do anything other start inflammatory posts on MN?