This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

I wouldn’t describe the brutal murder of a premie baby as “complex”. This tiny baby was covered in bruises all over his tiny body and had blunt force trauma to his head. He was murdered.

I agree. Words just fail me. That man is evil and an absolute stain on society.

I think this did happen with the Yorkshire Ripper. He was attacked in prison (or waa it while he was still in Broadmoor) and lost the sight in an eye.

He died (though not from the attack) during the Covid pandemic from Covid and diabetes and is no sad loss.

The case of Sally Clark is always worth remembering on these types of threads.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/mar/17/childrensservices.uknews

And, before anyone jumps on me, I'm not suggesting this man is anything but guilty, but that Sally Clark's case is a clear reason the death penalty should not be reinstated.

Actually one of the first posters doubted the truth of the article, or the publisher more specifically. And why this one? Well no matter which article was chosen, you'd be asking the same. However this is one of the most depraved crimes and specifically one that OP feels makes a case for the death penalty.

The death penalty would not have prevented the death of this baby. It can’t cure mental illness and addiction, which seemed to be the underlying issue here. This revolting man had a long history of abuse and coercive control and why wasn’t more effort taken to get the woman away. Killing the man after all this is not going to deter anyone from doing similar.

As the baby was to be put in care, why were they allowed to access him? How did these injuries occur when presumably staff were supposed to supervise?

For every cast-iron 100% clear cut case, there will be other cases that are borderline and lead to a miscarriage of justice. While there is that slimmest of risk, in our society in this day and age, the death penalty will not be brought back.

Re: Also someone had to be the executioner. I don’t think we should be in the business of either putting someone in that position or encouraging anyone who is happy to do it.

there will be people like the OP who are willing to participate in ending the life of someone who commits a heinous enough crime to warrant the death penalty. Nowadays it would most likely be 10 people pushing a randomised button that administers a lethal dose to end the criminal's life that nobody ever gets to know whose button actually did the deed. Rather than an Albert Pierrepoint-like character.

Have you read some of the comments giving excellent arguments against the death penalty? Of course this is a horrendous case and it's natural that our first instinct is anger and maybe to want violence inflicted on the perpetrator. Thank goodness we are a civilized society and understand that it's not a good way to behave.

Interesting that nobody verifies the cross dressing, it’s not mentioned on the guardian and yet the Daily Heil puts it in the headline. Almost as if they’ll twist even the most horrific of stories to be divisive about trans issues

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I think more whole life sentences should be given and some people should never be released from prison but I will never be convinced that the death penalty is right.

True. But the world would be a much worse place if everywhere had death penalties. Logical thinking soon gets you to the conclusion that having the death penalty doesn't gain us anything - it's just more killing.

The world might be a better place without him in it. But it would also be a better place without judicial killing.

Agreed

Yes! I read the original report on BBC news before this thread. Thought OPs post was about something different with the cross dressing heading (didn’t click on it because it’s DM), but gathered what it was referencing quickly.

Perhaps you should use your intelligence to consider just how we end up with people who commit these crimes in our society?

That’s not a blanket thing though. Some people are just born psychopaths. Nothing to do with upbringing or environment. Then there are others who are what their upbringing/environment has made them.

Usually they're nuts, a technical term I know, but they have something missing in their brain they turn out bad however you bring them up.

But so often we see these cases and afterwards it is established that there were so many warning signs and people raising the alarm but for whatever reason nothing was done with that information, or there was no joint up work between agencies.

Would you be happier if they were locked up for life?
Or is the only choice what happens now vs death?

That's incredibly misinformed. Do you think these people who are 'nuts' or have got 'something missing in their brain' should just be killed at birth to save a lot of trouble? You really haven't thought about this at all.

I certainly think we should bring back the death penalty for the worst of crimes including those who torture children. We would save money by getting on with it and executing them quickly after conviction, really no need for them to linger on ‘death row’ at the tax payers expense. Scum like this deserve nothing less than being taken out by the cheapest means available.

Not true. It has been shown that it actually costs a lot more in the long run because someone on death row has the rights to appeal and there are lots of hoops to jump through before getting to that point to ensure everything is done correctly.

The USA still has the death penalty and their murder rate is much higher than ours.

The daily mail is a load of rubbish op. It’s known for being a load of rubbish. The story may have some truth to it; but the daily mail will add in some untruths also!!

Stop reading it; over time it will affect your judgement 🫠🫠🫠

The end result. We’re all in agreement that the taking of a life is wrong yet condoning the taking of a life.