To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

[Longingdreamer]

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

This is an intentional derailment on the thread, and is very disrespectful to OP.
It is neither, I wanted to explore your attitude further because your post seemed to hint an antisemetic attitudes, not least given the discussion (which the OP has contributed to) regarding the frequent an wrongful conflation of being Pro Israel's existence vs Pro Israel's actions.

Given the current situation that's an unbelievably crass and cynical response

As I stated in my original post, the Palestine vs israel conversation is very different to a conversation about anti-semitism. It's not anti-semitic to be anti-israel, it is anti-semitic to be anti-Jew. It's very simple, and that is all I was talking about. I do not want to discuss my views on Palestine when this thread is about an anti-semitic assault. I was merely reminding everyone that it's a poor opportunity grab to turn this thread into a Palestine vs israel discussion when the focus should be on anti-semitism. Apparently it's had the opposite effect!

Oh how people live to rewrite history.

Nazi Germany was overwhelmingly Christian, with a large percentage of the population identifying as Protestant or Catholic.

Oh how people love to misinterpret history.
90% of Germans were practising Christians. The Nazi leaders were pagans and despised Christianity. The idea was to control it (the Reichs Church) and hope that it would "wither on the vine" . Stated aim.
The German people were not all Nazis.
Ian Kershaw writes extensively on the Nazis attempt to undermine and effectively destroy and replace mainstream Christianity.

If you didn't want to make it a "Palestine vs Israel discussion", then you shouldn't have included this in your original contribution.

It's so important to remember that not all Jewish people are israeli or pro-israel. And we can be anti-israel and pro-Jewish

You are also being persistently unclear whether you believe it is sufficient, in your mind, for a Jew be opposed to Israel's actions or its existence.

You're also making other comments:

"anti-semitism as a phrase has absolutely been used in the wrong context so often recently"

that read like the casual dismissal of antisemitism that has also already been discussed in the thread.

I felt that deserved challenging.

Your attempts to whitewash history are pathetic.

“The majority of the three million Nazi Party members continued to pay their church taxes and register as either Roman Catholic or Protestants.[32”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

I am not "whitewashing" history.
It's not pathetic to understand the failed Nazi policies regarding control of the Christian churches. It failed because most Germans continued to go to Church.
I would recommend reading some quality history on the subject matter, such as Ian Kershaw.
The Nazis registered as Christians because they feared a backlash.

Oh please, at the height of their power they didn't fear anyone.

To suggest they identified as Christians out of fear is laughable and more whitewashing.

The Nazis were of their country, which was overwhelmingly Christian.

They did. They feared uprisings from workers, (hence the KpD) also Christian groups, even youth groups.
I am not going to stoop to trading insults. I will just make the point that 20thC German History is fascinating and multilayered. It's all too easy to be reductive.
Simplistic notions about it abound.

I've stated anti semitism is bad, why do you need to challenge me? I'm trying to support OP and agree with the majority of the posts. So weird, what do you want from me? I don't need to share what I think is sufficient, it's a bit creepy that you demand my opinions!

If it's any help, though i should be pressured to share this so that I can join in a conversation, I am a Jew. So maybe back off a bit? Make your own post if you want an argument!

The Nazis did want to promote their own version of Christianity (with an emphasis on racial purity) but they still needed Christianity because most Germans were Christian. The Nazi leadership continued to pay their church taxes right until the end.

That's what I said. That's exactly the point.
I think that I was getting into the academic nuances, which is probably too much for this thread and I don't want to derail it. If you haven't read the Kershaw books, I would recommend, also the work of Prof Gellately who examined Nazi documents recovered by American troops in Wurzburg.
I've been teaching German History for 35 years, and have been an A level German History examiner for 27 years. It's endlessly fascinating to me, but I will end it there.
Back to antisemitism..

There are plenty of countries that invite hatred and have done over the decades - Afghanistan, Russia, Syria, Iraq to name but a few. The issue is also compounded by the fact that Israel demands a free pass for its actions and claims that any criticism is hatred of all Jews. That does tend to get people riled up. When you criticise Russia there isn’t the same pushback - you don’t get called a racist when you say Putin is an evil warmonger. But people are absolutely critical of brutal regimes.

That's because it's the only Jewish state
It is unique.

It doesn't make it exempt from criticism.

I never said it did

If you read the thread, I have clarified. Are you saying you don't believe victims? The statistics are easily accessible regarding anti-semitic hate crimes.

I question the purpose of your response. Do you disbelieve all victims of hate crime, or just Jews?

Given I have had criticism of not being specific enough, I will give specifics of the second incident, which I have not reported to police. The reason for not reporting is that I don't think it would be taken seriously.

I took my children to a local high street, and I parked the car legally and we exited. Immediately on exiting, adults, who were standing next to an adjacent car, started calling my children and I racial slurs. I didn't respond, and walked away, to the shop we were going to. I discreetly took a photo of their registration plate as I walked away, but couldn't do more for fear of putting myself and my children in further danger. There were several adults, including males, and I was a lone female with young children. The high street was very busy, with a lot of pedestrians in the area.

Is this enough details for the disbelievers?

My children have been very distressed by both incidents, particularly the first one, where threats were made to our lives.

@Longingdreamer I'm sorry to hear that you're getting so much abuse, particularly so when you're with young children.
Would you be able to share what high steet this was?

Take it to the police as you have a licence plate. Hate crimes are illegal and they will have to do something about it. Though having experience similar incidents over the years ( not for being Jewish) I’m not overly hopeful that there will be a satisfactory outcome you won’t know if you don’t try.

It's in a very diverse, urban, area of London, though this diversity doesn't include many Jews. I'll pm you specifics so as not to out myself since I said it was local.

Ok, thank you 🙏

This is it. I think it's so unlikely anything will be done, that I don't know if it's worth the effort of reporting and giving a statement (which I have done for the first incident and took a fair amount of time). This sort of incident sadly feels commonplace, and tolerated.

Also, it is almost certain that there is CCTV given it's a very busy (and high crime) high street. Yet these people still feel emboldened to behave this way.