Friend 'sobbing in the kitchen' over Ozzy Osborne

[lronWoman]

I'm not generally a mean spirited person but I just can't take this seriously!

My friend has never been a Black Sabbath fan and I've never heard her mention Ozzy once in the 20 years I've known her. However, her and her sister are apparently 'beside themselves with grief' over his death.

I just don't understand this type of performative grief over A list celebrities that people have never met. It's sad and I get that it kind of marks the end of an era, but the guy lived to a ripe old age in the lap of luxury and was one of the most celebrated rock stars the world has ever known. It's not like a present day star has suddenly been cut down in their prime and will no longer be releasing new albums. They'd already released all their famous stuff before we were born.

She wasn't sobbing in the kitchen when an old mutual workmate died unexpectedly in his late 30s a fortnight ago. Guy wasn't a close friend of ours but we were friendly. Used to go to the pub as a group and he helped us move house, refusing to accept a penny for it. Really nice bloke! We hadn't seen him in close to a decade but both felt sad about it for a few days. But no sobbing in the kitchen!

Latest comment is "he's up there at the bar with gramps". I'm finding it hard not to make an inappropriate joke tbh!

I’ve nothing going on in my life to project, not sure how you’ve got that impression?

I’ll stand by anyone acting like OO disgusts and repulses me, does it not you? Do you think it’s forgivable? Are you honestly able to just say well he was “high”?

Really not found a cure for addiction, but someone like OO had access to the best possible treatment. Quite honestly I would bloody cut off my own hands if I found out what I did to innocent animals and people whilst high on drugs. I couldn’t live with myself.

I don’t understand the hero worshipping of a person who happened to have a singing talent, but also had a dreadful and cruel personality, who repeatedly carried out vile acts.

You’ve clearly got an obsessive sort of groupie type love for him, which is your choice. But to be telling people that they can’t comment on a post with negative things about him and should leave the post is ridiculous.

Maybe you should just post on your forum that worships him and not on here where the love for him is not so strong and more realistic that the world hasn’t lost a good man. He was vile in some of his actions and quite honestly addiction when you’re hurting innocent animals and people in such a cruel manner would be enough for most people to take action.

I’ve no idea why anyone is “sobbing in the kitchen” and performative grieving for him.

Yes it was awful when her and Chuck's actions contributed to the premature death of Diana too. The women has never worked a day in her life, manipulated and tortured Diana and now for some bizarre reason gets to carry the title of queen consort. She's been rewarded for disgusting behaviour. I'm sorry you think it's awful, but there are some people the world really are better off without. She's likely being championed now by the very people who were wailing in the street when Diana died.

“It’s very relevant to me that someone crying and performative grieving is too be commented on that it’s inappropriate for them to act like that, for many reasons.” why is it “very relevant to you.

Theres lots of people with more money than the Osborne’s that can’t buy their want out of addiction- because health issues don’t work that way. From your comments I don’t think you have any idea about drugs or addiction.

As I’ve said, I thought he was a bit of a twat so I’m not sure where you get “groupie hero worshipping from” btw “groupie” has connotations rooted in misogyny so you might want to think that. I have repeatedly said I admired him for his art. So is completely at odds with your misogynistic statement.

As, I’ve said being vegan I abhor any mistreatment of animals, and thought I had addressed that. I am mourning the loss of someone for their musical talent and place in the HM community. Once again, possibly for the third time, I have no interest in him as a person, celebrity culture is not a thing for me.

i have zero idea why you’re so obsessed about a man who practically invented a type of music you clearly don’t know, you’re clearly not that type of person. You clearly cannot draw a distinction between art and artist (most artists are idiots ime - at one level or another). If you want to talk about the man rather than art you could talk about his charity work too to broaden your repertoire.

I shed a tear I must admit.

However, I lost my mum in March. She was only 62 and a big fan of music- she loved black sabbath as does my dad.
It stirred up a lot of emotions for me- music of all genres does at the minute. My mum loved music so I can’t put the radio on without crying at the minute.
i watched his last gig at villa park just recently and thought of my mum the whole time. She’d have been devastated over Ozzy had she been here.

He was a national treasure. RIP 😢

@CleverCyanBiscuit How? He tortured and killed animals, he shot cats regularly, he beat up his wife, cheated on her regularly, and once almost strangled her to death. He is scum, and rotting at the moment.

Say what? How warped is that?

Interestingly enough PETA have congratulated him on his work done for animal welfare - maybe they’re not stuck on something he did 40 years ago whilst in the depths of addiction.

Bizarrely the cat incident from 40 years ago seems to have been focused on entirely by the Indian press.

But his contribution to art is without question -we absolutely value that. If people want to tie themselves in knots over something that happened 40 odd years ago and ignore what one of the most vocal animal rights groups are also saying, that’s up to them.

He is a national treasure - he created something that is very important in British culture.

My favourite story about Ozzy, is him joining a protest march against himself with the idiots of the Satanic Panic. Says a lot.

Not at all.

www.theguardian.com/music/2025/jul/23/ozzy-osborune-animals-peta

Ah yes, Terry Wogan!. Loved him. That was a bolt out of the blue

I cried a lot when Whitney Houston died.

No it’s not the “end of the story” your comments are disgusting. Don't you believe people can change? I don’t think you know anything about the man and music and the importance he played. PETA have praised him for his work on animal welfare. But you would prefer to comment on things happening 40-60 years ago. it’s ill informed, overly simplistic indicates you don’t think people have the capacity to change, shows a lack of understanding of addiction and is suggestive of bigotry it also shows your lack of ability to forgive. You might want to work on those things rather than condemning others to a non- existent place for something they did decades and decades ago which they used as a turning point in their lives I’m glad I don’t live in your world, I’m sorry you appear to want to be stuck in it

Sorry but I agree with them and I find your comments disgusting. He showed absolutely no remorse at all whatsoever, so no, he didn't change. You don't show a pattern of animal abuse over decades, and when interviewed about one of the incidents, be flippant and half laugh about it as he did - the murdering of his and Sharon's cats, and change. If he had changed he would have shown remorse. He showed absolutely none.

Your comments, fawning over a celeb because he screamed 'music' and showed zero remorse for his actions, are disgusting imo.

That poster asked you earlier in the thread where you line would be, if it would be child molestation? You never answered. Would you ignore Osborne sexually abusing a child, too? Genuine question.

Forgot to add that I don't consider PETA, given the controversies they've been involved in such as mass killing of animals at one of their shelters, an ethical animal organisation. And I doubt they knew all of the animal abuse he was involved in stretching back decades right from when he was a teenager.

he was a vile animal killer, that comes above any musical talent he may have had.

You can like his music, I don’t like him and don’t care fit his morals.

At least more animals are safe from his vile hands.

Shall we talk about Jimmy Savills charity work, he raised a great amount of money…. Whilst abusing children rather than animals.

I think it's worth considering that grief doesn’t always follow clear rules. Just because your friend never talked about Ozzy or Black Sabbath doesn’t mean his death didn’t stir something real for her. People often form emotional connections to public figures in ways that aren't obvious, and those connections can bring up memories, associations, or feelings that are hard to explain.

Sometimes a celebrity’s death can act as a kind of emotional trigger. It might not be about the person themselves, but about what they represent. Maybe Ozzy reminds her of a part of her life, of someone she cared about, or just of time passing. Even if she wasn’t an active fan, his death might symbolise the end of something she valued on a deeper level.

As for comparing her reaction to your old workmate’s death, it’s not necessarily fair to measure grief by how visible it is. People grieve differently depending on context and emotional distance. The friend’s death may have hit harder, but been processed more privately. When a celebrity dies, some people feel like they’re allowed to express emotions more openly, especially on social media or in conversation. It can be a socially acceptable way to feel sad about things that are harder to name.

You don’t have to share her reaction, but it might help to give her the benefit of the doubt. Just because the grief seems performative doesn’t mean it isn’t real to her in some way.

I was sad when Mark E Smith died, because he was a musical genius. I also recognise that he was often a total cunt. Same with Morrissey - very important to me in my teens as a musician, but as a person, nah.

Same with Ozzy for those who loved Black Sabbath. Or any of the 70s rockers who slept with underage girls, beat their wives, or did stupid and/or vile shit when off their heads on drink and drugs.

Separating the art from the artist is a common trope for a reason.

I have answered this on the other thread you chased me to, absolutely o would draw a line at child abuse.

Are you trying to create an equivalency. Whilst I’m vegan I recognise that society’s values at large do not have an equivalency of animals and humans, it’s disingenuous to try and force such equivalency on a situation. If he had been out shooting grouse completely sober would it have caused such horror in you.

Do you have trouble forgiving people in real life who make mistakes whilst under the influence of drugs and metal health issues 40 odd years ago where they have mended their ways, what is making you so dogged in your hatred of a man you don’t know. -Genuine question.

A 'mistake' is mislaying your car keys. It is not a 'mistake' to torture and kill animals from teenage years onwards. That is a deliberate action. The fact you consider deliberately torturing and shooting animals a 'mistake' is a choice of words that says so much.

Sone things are unforgivable..

Do you forgive animal abusers in real
life?

Didn't Diana admit that she cheated first, though?

I'm not defending Camilla but I always had the impression it was pretty much an arranged marriage. Being engaged at 19yo to a royal in their 30s is pretty odd.

Was replying to this comment.

I am not sure how Diana could have cheated first when Charles was shooting off to play footsie with Millie during the engagement.

Or people who commit domestic violence. It really doesn’t matter that the wife put up with it.

imagine how many doddery old men made their wives lives hell in the past. Are we supposed to let them all off the hook?