Friend 'sobbing in the kitchen' over Ozzy Osborne

[lronWoman]

I'm not generally a mean spirited person but I just can't take this seriously!

My friend has never been a Black Sabbath fan and I've never heard her mention Ozzy once in the 20 years I've known her. However, her and her sister are apparently 'beside themselves with grief' over his death.

I just don't understand this type of performative grief over A list celebrities that people have never met. It's sad and I get that it kind of marks the end of an era, but the guy lived to a ripe old age in the lap of luxury and was one of the most celebrated rock stars the world has ever known. It's not like a present day star has suddenly been cut down in their prime and will no longer be releasing new albums. They'd already released all their famous stuff before we were born.

She wasn't sobbing in the kitchen when an old mutual workmate died unexpectedly in his late 30s a fortnight ago. Guy wasn't a close friend of ours but we were friendly. Used to go to the pub as a group and he helped us move house, refusing to accept a penny for it. Really nice bloke! We hadn't seen him in close to a decade but both felt sad about it for a few days. But no sobbing in the kitchen!

Latest comment is "he's up there at the bar with gramps". I'm finding it hard not to make an inappropriate joke tbh!

Why wouldn't they? If someone said they liked him on a music forum, I would wonder about the type of person they are, and would say something. People like him shouldn't be discussed or celebrated at all. Or his music listened to. I feel the same way about Michael Jackson. And Rolf Harris. And Gary Glitter.

@MyHeartyCoralSnail have you heard him talk about the cats when he was sober? You’d be mortified and devastated but no he is entirely flippant about it.

As I was saying he’s behaved like a twat. But he is also someone who helped create music that is my life, either himself or by influencing many others. The point I was making is that people can generally draw the line between the art and the person creating it. If you can’t that’s really not my issue. I don’t think anyone is walking round going - oh what a sweet guy. Everyone is talking about his musical legacy. It’s probably a difficult concept to understand in a world of celebrity most HM people steer well clear of but Ozzy was dragged into.

so as a vegan I care very much about animals, as a HM fan I don’t care about the personal gossip around the artist

He was high on drugs does not make it acceptable, he should’ve realised if he was that awful whilst high, he needed to stop, for ever. Could you live like that, causing such an awful death to animals?

I get you’re a huge fan, but you cannot disagree he was awful and he hasn’t become a saint because he’s dead. Also, the old adage, don’t speak ill of the dead, I’ll speak about them as they were, awful, nice, etc.

No, I won’t move on from the thread because I think he’s vile, so don’t ask me too.

It’s very relevant to me that someone crying and performative grieving is too be commented on that it’s inappropriate for them to act like that, for many reasons.

I mean I cried when Dobby the House Elf died so at least she's crying over a real person. In all seriousness OP Yanbu but just let them ride it out, they'll get over it.

I cried when Terry Wogan died as his gentle ironic humour had been ever present in my life.Also the Queen as it was the end of a era.
I remember feeling very sad hearing Linda McCartney had died and more recently went when Paul OGrady died.Again a man of humour. And a genuine animal lover.

I know he finally sorted his shit. But he did beat Sharon quite badly and often during the druggie days.

Can't understand why no ones more disgusted with that why they wail in the street

Nice one!

It was a shock, but he'd been suffering for years. CSA, drug addiction, the mental health issues that went with it all. I just hope he found peace. ❤️

So basically you’re projecting whatever you have going on in your life on this situation.

Glad you’ve found a cure for addiction- maybe you should go down to your local addiction clinic and tell them to just stop?

i haven’t seen anyone in the HM community claiming he was a perfect person. I have seen them talking about his music and the pivatol role he played in the formation of HM.

Another singer, Bruce Dickinson once said “Fame is the excrement of creativity” I’ll leave you to keep digging in the shit, I’ll focus on the creativity.

in the meantime I hope you sort out whatever you have going on in your life

It was obvious he didn't have long left. It wasn't a shock and he went out on a high. I'm glad he isn't suffering anymore. With Queenie, we were prepared for the news, given the announcement that was made. She was very old and she did have a good death. Saw Johnson off then took to her bed with her children around her.

Diogo Jota though, I cried at least three times. Not for myself but for his wife, family and the boys at LFC. Also Rik Mayall. That pic of Adrian Edmondson carrying his coffin made me bawl like a baby.

I shed a tear when John Peel died and again when Terry Pratchett died.

Sometimes it hits you unexpectedly.

Im a lifelong Ozzy fan and im gutted by his death - I’m not however, sobbing and “beside myself with grief”. I didn’t know the man.

I hate all this performative celebrity grief shit - I have a friend who “sobbed herself to sleep” when George Michael died - and every year she “lights a candle” for him and has a little cry. FFS I have to stop myself from cringing inside out

Bruce is dead!! How did I miss that one.

It was ages ago. Must be almost a decade now!

They tried to pin something weird on Amy Lee/Evthreads a long time ago. Evthreads was founded by Amy Lee because the official Evanescence forum Evboard briefly made people pay to use it. (I don't think either forum exists anymore, sadly.)

Someone (I think a mod) was using it to chat up and get with young women and being a bit predatory, so she banned him (being the founder/admin.) He took revenge by trying to implicate her, accused her and the other mods of a cover up, doxxed her and apparently it even got discussed in parliament! (Why a forum based in the USA and run by an American woman needed to be discussed in the UK's parliament is beyond me, although the bloke doing all this was British.) Doubtful if you could even find the article I read about it now, it was well over a decade ago.

I found it hilarious (sort of/not really) at the time because the official Nightwish forum mods had done exactly that with my ex boyfriend who was doing the same thing on various forums. It might have even been the same person to be honest. My ex husband was friends with a young woman we suspected was one of my ex boyfriend's victims, based on his MO and what she'd told my ex-H. It's all very convoluted, but it took over my life for a good couple of years. (The thing with my ex-bf/NW forum.)

If anyone recognises that story I was SwansongForARaven on the NW forum and RavenQueen on Evboard/Evthreads. 😁 I miss those days when I was younger and had time to kill.

Oh, and I think the bloke targeting Amy Lee was in fact her stalker. Her username on both Evboard and Evthreads was Snow White, and she wrote the song Snow White Queen about her experience with being stalked. That poor bloody woman.

I really don’t like cats but I could not agree with you more, nice one I have people glossing over dead people’s wrongdoings, he was a bell end when he was alive and remains one in death, hope he rots actually 😊

I saw no one sobbing in the streets of south east England. It was invented by the press and has just run and run. Like Diana's 'revenge' dress. It gets repeated and repeated until its almost the truth.

I also felt sad.

me too

Exactly!

😂😆😂

I was sad when Brucey died. Gutted when Terry Wogan died, it was quite unexpected though, he kept his illness quiet. but I didn’t cry or anything, I never knew them personally!

I cried buckets when Bambi’s mother died and that’s a cartoon 🫤

Me too 😭 and don't get me started on Mufasa, definitely cried over more fictional characters than I care to admit 😒😂