To be glad schools are finally hitting back

[Teachingquestion]

Over the last couple of days I've seen more stories about schools introducing new rules and sending students home who won't comply.
I'm in a really tricky school about to do the same (when we start back) and the staff are so relieved. Teachers on here : are you glad to see it?

My child has been excluded from education for years. School won't implement their ehcp, won't even discuss it, they can't meet need and won't allow them to attend. We are stuck in tribunal limbo. The school then have the cheek to call 111 stating I'm denying them access to the child, completely disregarding their own safeguarding policy.
Complete power trip from the school, who can't stick to any rules and processes themselves, i wouldn't mind but they designed the rules.
If kids are seeing adults disregard rules and not taking accountability, then where is the incentive for the kids to follow any rules?

So who should provide the pencils?

"People saying "oh you can go to the toilet at work and get a pen out of the stationery cupboard" - all true you can, what you can't do is call your manager a fucking n**r, or say, why aren't you back home in the kitchen looking after a man. Which my teens have heard other pupils say to their teachers. So it works both ways."

Both of the latter examples are absolutely things that schools need to be focusing on. Not the forgotten pen or wrong colour kitbag. That's the problem.

I think at some point we have to understand that we have to give kids rules . The law is a blunt tool, training kids to expect exceptional ism from rules is not preparing them for life at all

The teenagers that have been permanently excluded from the schools that I have worked in were excluded for rape, repeated violence and threatening others with a knife. It is pretty obvious that it is their behaviour and the causes of that behaviour that is the risk factor, not the exclusion itself.

Exclusions are an indicator of a young person’s life going wrong, rather than a cause.

The biggest risk factor for hundreds of slightly less happy kids, receving slightly less good education, and dozens getting bullied really badly, is the future victims and perpetrators of serious crime not being excluded by woke schools who don't like discipline.

Sure. But the rules should not be over the top or pointless.

I agree only so far as proper discipline is maintained, detention for lateness, rudeness, misbehaving etc is fine but isolation and detention for minor issues like forgetting a pencil or wrong colour socks is pathetic. If you want them to act like grown ups you need to start treating them as such. I doubt a teacher or anyone else would tolerate being told they can't take a blazer off when it's warm or told they can't use the toilet or get any water when thirsty. It's not a prison camp.

Agree 100% about not accepting any racism, sexual comments to teaching and other staff, and disruptive behaviour having consequences.

Parents need to face consequences as well, preferably ones that hurt them or even their pride.

Exactly. Zero tolerance poor behaviour.
Here to learn.
Zero tolerance bullying

Parents supportive of rules

Well I agree, that's why I'm advocating teaching them rather than trying to punish them into being better at something. You're the one who is against teaching them and thinks children are choosing to be ND because they don't care enough about school.

The ADHD tax is well known and the fact that it regularly costs me money has not yet magically erased my ADHD! Funny that, maybe I don't care about money either.

Yup I'd support those rules. Always.

Many secondaries in the U.K. are out of control with terrible behaviour and parents who think their little darlings can do no wrong.

Schools need to have zero tolerance policies and be empowered to remove DC who are harming the safety and learning of other students.

I'll stick my head above the parapet here and gently ask

If you can't tackle and improve your own ADHD as an adult, how are you expecting schools to do it for children when we see them less than 50%of the time?

Not punishing them for it might be a start.

OK what else?

This! Strong discipline in schools is essential for everyone involved - all too often the disruptive minority ruin things for the majority of decent kids who just want to learn in peace.

Parents need to support the chosen school’s rules or consider sending their children elsewhere 🙂

Schools already do loads of this. The students you are describing here are the biddable majority. There is a significant but harsh minority that this doesnt apply to

What if the rule is "your child isn't allowed a drop of squash in her water" or "you're not allowed to take your jumper off unless a teacher says so, even if it's 30 degrees"?

FFS, it's one pencil. They can borrow one. Or you can keep a couple of spares in the classroom and insist they are given back. If a student breaks, throws or refuses to return your pencil, then that is deliberate bad behaviour and should be dealt with.

There was a teacher at my school who actively hated me. That's not paranoia - I bumped into another teacher who worked in the same department last week and he admitted to me that he'd regularly had to go to bat for me with SLT because she was trying to sabotage me, things like saying I'd cheated on my coursework when he could prove I hadn't.

Anyway, I forgot my lab coat one day. We were doing a practical exercise which counted towards my AS grade. There were multiple lab coats on the pegs in the lab. She said I wasn't allowed to use a spare labcoat. I had to sit out of the lesson and got a zero for that practical.

Another time, we'd done clean up and I accidentally left a test tube out. She docked 50% of my marks for it.

These two combined incidents brought my grade down from a B to a C.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of posters along to tell me that someone who forgets to bring a lab coat to school one day or leaves a test tube out doesn't deserve a B in AS Biology and how earth shattering the consequences would be if a Biologist forgot to put away a test tube in the real world, but neither of these things were done to teach me accountability. She wanted me to fail. She even told my mum as much at parents evening.

Schools do not already do this.

In the same way that a dyslexic adult might still struggle with more complex written tasks but when they are children schools support them to take steps towards improving their reading and writing and don't put them in detention for poor spelling.

If you can't tackle and improve your own ADHD as an adult, how are you expecting schools to do it for children when we see them less than 50%of the time?

Schools have a legal responsibility to make adjustments and provide support to disabled children op. Even if it's inconvenient or you'd rather not.

That does seem to be news to some schools.