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Working expectations for parents on UC

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BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 21/07/2025 12:27

AIBU to find this really frustrating? Basically there is no expectation for parents to work until their child is age 3. So if a family has more than one child that could be several years.

Whereas maternity leave is only 9-12months.

Especially as universal credit claimants can actually get help towards childcare expenses.

I don’t understand why there is a mismatch between the employed and unemployed?

When I went back after maternity, my pay was around £1500 and my childcare £800, then after I went back with my second my childcare went up to £1200. So I earnt next to nothing for 5 years before the eldest started school.

Working expectations for parents on UC
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ChristOlive · 21/07/2025 19:32

january1244 · 21/07/2025 19:28

I think Reform will get into power, and then I think there will be an overhaul. Their manifesto said ‘if you can work you must work’. I don’t want Reform to get in, but with how they’re doing in the polls, and with Labours lack of popularity with the u-turns, I feel that they probably will

I’ve read their manifesto and it’s all very vague. Do you really think there’d be significant benefit cuts? The toothlessness of the recent Labour u-turns has made me doubt any party actually would.

Lillygolightly · 21/07/2025 19:33

GogoGobo · 21/07/2025 17:21

The world is not going to be kind to those who have built a life around being supported by the state in the next 10-15 years.
The money has run out.
We borrow to fund all this c%ap
The state is too generous with taxpayers money and so the massive gravy train is about to terminate at the next station.
I used to be so pro Labour and welfare state. Not any more.
So OP - YANBU. At all.
there should be ZERO advantages to being on benefits. Otherwise, where’s the incentive to get off your arse and support yourself.

But the state has built a life where the people living in it have mostly no choice but to rely on it!! The state then moans relentlessly about the situation it created….

  • Wages don’t pay enough
  • Rent is eye wateringly expensive
  • Childcare costs are high
  • Food costs are high
  • Fuel/heating costs are high
  • Dual income required

I left home at 16 got myself a full time job and was able to rent a flat, then later a house (all while single) and have enough money for food and leisure without needing any additional benefits or support.

I am now in my 40s, my eldest is 20 and earns a good wage and yet would not be able support themselves in the way I did at 16.

january1244 · 21/07/2025 19:33

@TwoFeralKidsbecause £1.4K isn’t even three quarters of one full time salary. So the requirement for a couple is not even 40 hours a week between them!

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:35

lovemeblender · 21/07/2025 17:59

If you think it's unfair, you are looking at in the wrong way. The vast majority of long term unemployed mothers are not leading particularly meaningful lives, statistically their DC have poor educational outcomes, they are more likely to become involved in criminal activity, be unemployed themselves etc etc....
It is very frightening for someone who has never had to work to be forced into it. Lack of self esteem, confidence etc only gets worse the longer you are unemployed. It is of no surprise that since the roll out of UC and the new 3 years rule that the incidence of PIP applications has quite dramatically increased. The thought of working is terrifying for some people, that is nothing to be resentful about. Those of us who have worked for £50 a month for several years have invested in ourselves both mentally and financially, and that trickles down to the next generation. So don't see it as being unfair, see it as a leveller for the DC whose parents have very little to offer them.

I would rather work part time and get UC and spend the rest of my time with my son. I feel sorry for people like you who have to work loads to earn what I can get and miss out on family life. Hope you can retire soon

BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 21/07/2025 19:35

Millennialpause · 21/07/2025 19:19

I mean I agree it’s unfair, but in reverse. I think we should have a much longer paid maternity leave like some Scandinavian counties, and extend that to paternity leave as well. Those early years are so important, we should be showing that through policy. Not just subsidised childcare, but through policy that supports people wanting to become parents. It’s why so many people don’t want to have kids these days, because it’s a rubbish deal for working parents.

Absolutely.

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N3wUs3rNam3Again · 21/07/2025 19:36

BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 21/07/2025 15:14

I’ve not tried to “make that out” I’ve made the point that me going to work bought home very little in return and not working achieves them same. But that there was and IS an expectation for employed mothers to return to work but not the same expectation of claimants.

It seems going to work part time brought you home a sum in the region of £1500, your combined household income would have been significantly more. Perhaps you should have had a discussion with your partner about splitting the bills according to your incomes, maybe then you wouldn't feel like you had such a little return. Out of interest did he contribute to you reducing your hours to part time so you could care for the children when they were little or was it a decision you made that he wasn't in agreement with this made you pick up the cost?

26dX · 21/07/2025 19:37

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:35

I would rather work part time and get UC and spend the rest of my time with my son. I feel sorry for people like you who have to work loads to earn what I can get and miss out on family life. Hope you can retire soon

Wow 😂

BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 21/07/2025 19:41

Lillygolightly · 21/07/2025 19:33

But the state has built a life where the people living in it have mostly no choice but to rely on it!! The state then moans relentlessly about the situation it created….

  • Wages don’t pay enough
  • Rent is eye wateringly expensive
  • Childcare costs are high
  • Food costs are high
  • Fuel/heating costs are high
  • Dual income required

I left home at 16 got myself a full time job and was able to rent a flat, then later a house (all while single) and have enough money for food and leisure without needing any additional benefits or support.

I am now in my 40s, my eldest is 20 and earns a good wage and yet would not be able support themselves in the way I did at 16.

Precisely. People don’t realise that by subsiding the unemployed to the extent we have all we have done is close the gap between the employed and unemployed and that has made working less worthwhile. More money funding benefits has just led to an increase in costs.

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PeonyPatch · 21/07/2025 19:42

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:35

I would rather work part time and get UC and spend the rest of my time with my son. I feel sorry for people like you who have to work loads to earn what I can get and miss out on family life. Hope you can retire soon

Brilliant - just the kind of mentality we need to grow the economy. What a fantastic contribution you make to society.

BlackCatGreyWhiskers · 21/07/2025 19:42

N3wUs3rNam3Again · 21/07/2025 19:36

It seems going to work part time brought you home a sum in the region of £1500, your combined household income would have been significantly more. Perhaps you should have had a discussion with your partner about splitting the bills according to your incomes, maybe then you wouldn't feel like you had such a little return. Out of interest did he contribute to you reducing your hours to part time so you could care for the children when they were little or was it a decision you made that he wasn't in agreement with this made you pick up the cost?

You’ve missed the point, we’re a family. A household. The net gain, irrespective of how we spilt money is the same. It’s just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:43

26dX · 21/07/2025 19:37

Wow 😂

Yes wow!!!! I love being on UC and people have to work and earn. More fool them

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:44

PeonyPatch · 21/07/2025 19:42

Brilliant - just the kind of mentality we need to grow the economy. What a fantastic contribution you make to society.

I sure do sugar plum!!!!!

Parker231 · 21/07/2025 19:44

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:43

Yes wow!!!! I love being on UC and people have to work and earn. More fool them

And if everyone adopted your approach, what do you think would happen when doctors and nurses decide to stay at home and claim UC?

Parker231 · 21/07/2025 19:46

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:35

I would rather work part time and get UC and spend the rest of my time with my son. I feel sorry for people like you who have to work loads to earn what I can get and miss out on family life. Hope you can retire soon

Who is going to pay your pension for your retirement?

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:46

Parker231 · 21/07/2025 19:44

And if everyone adopted your approach, what do you think would happen when doctors and nurses decide to stay at home and claim UC?

Good for them I say

PeonyPatch · 21/07/2025 19:46

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:44

I sure do sugar plum!!!!!

Your username suits you, or perhaps it should be UCPirate 😂

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:47

Parker231 · 21/07/2025 19:46

Who is going to pay your pension for your retirement?

We go on holiday abroad each year - more than once, we have a healthy tea which I cook every night, he has clothes and toys like every other child, phone, tablet, he's in a good top set at school. Definitely not a disadvantage being on UC. People are coming across on boats and claiming everything they can get their hands on! The system makes it easy to do. Like I said before, don't get mad at us mothers claiming, get mad at the system as it allows us too to that

PeonyPatch · 21/07/2025 19:47

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:46

Good for them I say

🤣🤣🤣

26dX · 21/07/2025 19:47

Parker231 · 21/07/2025 19:46

Who is going to pay your pension for your retirement?

Hopefully no one, pure scruffiness.

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:47

PeonyPatch · 21/07/2025 19:46

Your username suits you, or perhaps it should be UCPirate 😂

Love it 😀

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:47

26dX · 21/07/2025 19:47

Hopefully no one, pure scruffiness.

Hahaha jealous

PeonyPatch · 21/07/2025 19:47

26dX · 21/07/2025 19:47

Hopefully no one, pure scruffiness.

Just a troll - I’d ignore.

26dX · 21/07/2025 19:48

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:47

Hahaha jealous

I’m not jealous at all darling, my kids want for nothing. We go on holidays, have a lovely car and don’t miss out - oh but I work for it xxx

Parker231 · 21/07/2025 19:49

Pirating55 · 21/07/2025 19:46

Good for them I say

You wouldn’t say that if you needed medical attention!!!!

PeonyPatch · 21/07/2025 19:50

26dX · 21/07/2025 19:48

I’m not jealous at all darling, my kids want for nothing. We go on holidays, have a lovely car and don’t miss out - oh but I work for it xxx

I’d much be a role model for my children than someone sponging from the system. I do feel sorry for children from these families as outcomes for them don’t tend to be all that great.

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