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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

That my mum is actually the problem?

56 replies

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 21/07/2025 11:53

Background : I moved countries when I was 23 and settled and made a life in England. Sadly, my dad passed away 10 years ago so my mum is on her own in my home country.

The issue : she’s lonely, sad and miserable BUT she’s also part of the problem. One side of the family (dad’s) won’t have anything or very little to do with her. Some of them are indeed pricks , but she also looks down on them, they’re beneath her etc. Her side are more involved, but it’s not as often as she’d like or how she’d like it. She refuses invitations to any big events(weddings, christenings , big gatherings/anniversaries) because she’s on her own , then claims she’s excluded because she’s on her own. She refuses offers to be picked up and go and stay because they weren’t offered the right way, or at the right time , or the right weather, or someone else might also be coming or whatever.

I try my best and other than the covid years and this year she comes over at least once a year for a month. Of course, this is also on her terms. No shorter than a month, she won’t come stay when me and DD are at work/schools. She expects outings and visits, but it can’t be too hot, that’s boring,too many stairs, too cramped that’s awkward, that’s too silly, that’s too whatever. Sometimes I literally have to drag her out. No interest in history and similar stuff , but when she goes on holidays she does the visiting /walking all over ones so that’s baffling. I try to arrange things she would like , for example she loves flowers so I booked to go to Kew Gardens , but that still was somehow wrong. No enthusiasm or curiosity. I’ve booked and done most of the touristy London stuff and taken her to various places from local woods, to lidos, to theme parks , to garden centres, to museums to Buckingham Palace to Harrods and a bunch of other places all at my expense. Last year she moaned I never took her to the wax museum!!! She never expressed an interest and that place involves all the things she hates. I mean sure, she’ll happily spend 7 hours in a shopping centre , but there’s only so many times you can do that and I frankly hate it. That’s without the fact that she’s highly critical and sometimes completely bonkers and a dick.

Big sobbing meltdown again today about how lonely she is , and that one doesn’t call , and that one doesn’t talk to her and that one doesn’t see her and of course the biggest baddie of them all , ME , because she isn’t coming over and we’re nit going over there. Lots if thinly veiled and outright guilt tripping .

We were going to , but we have a 10 days holiday, OH has a pretty straightforward (but still..) surgery coming up , DD has some appointments that can’t be changed right in the middle of things and whatever other social things come up. I’ve had an extremely shit year at work and I just need the break. She knows all of this, but you know I have 6 weeks free and can’t be bothered to make the effort. Maybe I’m not, because the effort is too fucking much for not much return.

So AIBU to think that her situation is partly her fault and she should be looking at her own behaviours and attitude, rather than blaming everyone else for being selfish arseholes?

OP posts:
Ponoka7 · 21/07/2025 11:58

She's got to take responsibility for her own happiness. I recognised that, I wouldn't make my children be my companions. I've busied myself with my grandchildren, but again, recognised that they are growing out of soft play etc, so need to make life plans for myself. I see it in my friendship group, 57+ and my sister, sadly they push people away because of their neediness. Can you be honest with her?

Cherrysoup · 21/07/2025 11:58

You’re in the FOG. She’s guilt tripping you from what sounds like boredom. How often do you phone her? I’d say reduce calls, I phone mine once a week or otherwise I’d have nothing to say. If she refuses invitations/lifts, she has no-one to blame but herself.

Stompythedinosaur · 21/07/2025 12:04

It isn't your responsibility to make your mum happy.

You could kill yourself doing everything she demands and she still wouldn't be happy. She has to change her outlook for that.

parietal · 21/07/2025 12:08

Some people just like to moan and complain. That is just her normal. So all you can do is ignore the moans and get on with the things that work for you.

it is not your job to make her happy.

Crushed23 · 21/07/2025 12:09

She sounds depressed. Life hasn’t panned out as she’d hoped and that can be a very bitter pill to swallow, especially for someone who is proud / sees themselves as above others. You should stop feeling guilty and put in some boundaries. You can only have her staying 2 weeks instead of a month? So be it. She ruins an outing by complaining? Tell her you won’t be taking anywhere else unless she changes her attitude. Stand up for yourself and your daughter, basically. 🙂

AbzMoz · 21/07/2025 12:12

You really need to stand firm that this current engagement is not making either of you happy. I think it’s worth saying her behaviour is pushing people away and no one likes the ongoing pity party. It’ll probably seem brutal et first but does pave the way for ‘come over for a fortnight twice per year, entertain yourself with this course, etc.’

i wonder if detailing how MiL or a friends parent has successfully visited might draw it into focus?

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 21/07/2025 12:15

Ponoka7 · 21/07/2025 11:58

She's got to take responsibility for her own happiness. I recognised that, I wouldn't make my children be my companions. I've busied myself with my grandchildren, but again, recognised that they are growing out of soft play etc, so need to make life plans for myself. I see it in my friendship group, 57+ and my sister, sadly they push people away because of their neediness. Can you be honest with her?

I can be honest with her, but it’s pointless as she won’t listen /acknowledge it. Everyone else is wrong and only she is right. Today , nobody cares and she wants to die. The fantastic holiday (one of many this year and every year) she went on 3 weeks ago and she was raving about for days? Nope, that didn’t bring her any joy either. Me and DD? Nope, we have our own lives and family and are far away and we don’t care anyway. Fuck me…

OP posts:
WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 21/07/2025 12:35

AbzMoz · 21/07/2025 12:12

You really need to stand firm that this current engagement is not making either of you happy. I think it’s worth saying her behaviour is pushing people away and no one likes the ongoing pity party. It’ll probably seem brutal et first but does pave the way for ‘come over for a fortnight twice per year, entertain yourself with this course, etc.’

i wonder if detailing how MiL or a friends parent has successfully visited might draw it into focus?

Ironically she has a few friends and family members that go to visit their kids in other countries for months at a time as she loves to point out. The main difference is that those people are fairly independent, work around their kids and their schedules, don’t mind being home alone, some even perfected their English and got little jobs (as they stay over so much), help massively with childcare etc. Then there might be some outings here and there in the evening, or at weekends or maybe a little holiday. However , the way she sees it I’m not successful enough or married rich enough to have the big house, and the fancy spa trips ( Tried to book one despite hating them and she didn’t want to) , or fancy restaurants (she won’t eat after 4 pm) or whatever other highlights she sees on social media ,so it’s my fault really. Grin

Same situations, very different perspectives.

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toomuchfaff · 21/07/2025 12:42

When she moans about it, STOP TRYING TO SOLVE FOR HER, instead ask her what is she going to do...

I wasn't invited - ah what are you going to do?

I don't have any friends - ah so what are you going to do?

Stop offering to find resolutions for her, its not your responsibility. She needs to make the decisions and take action herself, and she wont when she has someone - ah we should, ah we will.. stop.

AbzMoz · 21/07/2025 12:46

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 21/07/2025 12:35

Ironically she has a few friends and family members that go to visit their kids in other countries for months at a time as she loves to point out. The main difference is that those people are fairly independent, work around their kids and their schedules, don’t mind being home alone, some even perfected their English and got little jobs (as they stay over so much), help massively with childcare etc. Then there might be some outings here and there in the evening, or at weekends or maybe a little holiday. However , the way she sees it I’m not successful enough or married rich enough to have the big house, and the fancy spa trips ( Tried to book one despite hating them and she didn’t want to) , or fancy restaurants (she won’t eat after 4 pm) or whatever other highlights she sees on social media ,so it’s my fault really. Grin

Same situations, very different perspectives.

She clearly enjoys being miserable and so to best keep her happy… leave her to it!

It’s sad but likely she will get more bitter as time goes on so all you can do is protect DD and yourself when granny comes to stay, and make sure you’re vocal about those stays being on your terms.

JustGoClickLikeALightSwitch · 21/07/2025 12:53

I have one like this.

You cannot be responsible for her happiness.

I would scale the phone calls etc back to a comfortable level.

WhereIsMyJumper · 21/07/2025 13:02

OP your mum sounds like mine and you make way more effort than I do. It’s absolutely exhausting. Her moods drag me down relentlessly whenever I see her, she’s either extremely critical of everything I do or is complaining about her health but never does anything about it.
My sister still lives with her - she has a mental disability and can’t live alone, and the latest guilt trip is me and my other sister apparently not helping enough. Despite me arranging appointments with social workers and community health nurses and sending her links to community centres she could go to. To add as well, she has never lifted a finger in her whole life to help me out. Never babysat for us, wouldn’t let me stay with her when I was 17 and trying to escape an abusive relationship, wasn’t supportive when my marriage broke down etc. and now she expects us all to jump to her tune.
Shes currently in the middle of a marathon sulk with me - her issue? I didn’t answer the phone when she called me 6 weeks ago because I was in the shower. I text her to say sorry I missed her and was she ok and haven’t had a reply since. I will just ignore her now until she snaps out of it.

Maloobu · 21/07/2025 13:19

Have you suggested she tries dating?

Delphiniumandlupins · 21/07/2025 13:24

The problem is she's not going to change her fundamental outlook at this time of life - unless you live in a Disney movie. The more you try to argue with her the deeper she'll dig in. You could try a bit of reverse psychology, if you say "That sounds dreadful" she might respond "It wasn't that bad". Or you could try to get her to reflect on why she feels a certain way or thinks something went wrong, but ultimately all you can do is withdraw to protect yourself. If she complains that you don't visit or want to curtail her visits simply say that she doesn't seem to enjoy them.
At present she's moaning, you're feeling guilty and resentful. You can only control how you react.

thedevilinablackdress · 21/07/2025 13:25

You can't change her. You can't make her happy.
I recommend this book and/or checking out the author on Instagram. It might not be your thing, but it really helped me with an isolated, depressed parent
https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-let-them-theory/mel-robbins/sawyer-robbins/9781788176187

DaisyChain505 · 21/07/2025 13:30

You can hand someone all the solutions and answers they need on a plate and they’ll still bat your hand away.

Someone like wallowing in their misery.

Stop bending over backward for this woman and focus on your family unit.

Ohmygodthepain · 21/07/2025 13:36

My mum was like this op. We likened her to the Dementors in Harry Potter - could suck the joy out of anything and everything.

No friends but absolutely refused to go out to any of the local groups. No hobbies other than her garden because she fell out with one of the other women 15 years previously. Made it my job to do all her running about (single parent, full time job, kids don't see their dad) but golden sibling (married but lives an hour away) always got the red carpet treatment and 'everything's fine' when he came to see her.

Take a step back. Reclaim your holiday time for your own family. If she wants to come for a month some of that HAS to be during your work/school time. Make plans and go anyway, even if she says she doesn't want to.

As pp said, ask her what she's going to do about things that aren't going her way.

I ended up having a big bust up with my mum and told her exactly how much her behaviour was impacting our relationship and I stepped back massively. When I was ready to see her it was on MY terms and when she started up I told her I was leaving and I did, just a couple of times before she got the idea.

WhereIsMyJumper · 21/07/2025 13:49

DaisyChain505 · 21/07/2025 13:30

You can hand someone all the solutions and answers they need on a plate and they’ll still bat your hand away.

Someone like wallowing in their misery.

Stop bending over backward for this woman and focus on your family unit.

Absolutely this, I’ve had friends that have been the same way. They don’t want solutions or advice, they want your attention and sympathy. Once or twice is fair enough but every bloody time you speak to them is just too much. I make it a rule now to only offer support to people I know actually want to help themselves. Otherwise people will suck the life out of you if you let them

Catsandcannedbeans · 21/07/2025 14:00

Maloobu · 21/07/2025 13:19

Have you suggested she tries dating?

^^ This!
When my mum split with her long term bf she had a very bitter and lonely phase. She made it everyone else’s problem as well. Me and my sister helped her set up her OLD profile, took nice pics, showed her how to work it ect. She didn’t meet my stepdad online, they actually met irl, but getting her on OLD boosted her confidence and gave her a life. I don’t think she would have met my stepdad if she hadn’t had that boost from OLD because before that she never went out.

It might not solve your issues, but even if it entertains her and gets her out that house that will be a step in the right direction.

LoveWine123 · 21/07/2025 14:57

My MIL was exactly what you describe and I'm sorry to say her son (my DH) breathed a sigh of relief when she passed. We live abroad and we were always blamed for moving away and not living up to her expectations and dreams of how life should be for her (not her son) in her old age. She depressed everyone around her to the point of people pulling completely away due to her behaviour. You won't change her and I wouldn't even try and solving her issues for her. I'm sure you have tried. I'm sure you have spoken to her numerous time and you have suggested a thousand things she can do and it's come to nothing. Previous posters suggesting she dates....you can suggest anything, but a person with this attitude won't take anything onboard. You have two choices now - continue as you are or disengage as much as you can. You put boundaries in place and you stick to them (and I know it's hard to do with a parent). If she comes to visit you, she comes on your terms, if you visit her there you visit on your terms.

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 21/07/2025 15:24

LoveWine123 · 21/07/2025 14:57

My MIL was exactly what you describe and I'm sorry to say her son (my DH) breathed a sigh of relief when she passed. We live abroad and we were always blamed for moving away and not living up to her expectations and dreams of how life should be for her (not her son) in her old age. She depressed everyone around her to the point of people pulling completely away due to her behaviour. You won't change her and I wouldn't even try and solving her issues for her. I'm sure you have tried. I'm sure you have spoken to her numerous time and you have suggested a thousand things she can do and it's come to nothing. Previous posters suggesting she dates....you can suggest anything, but a person with this attitude won't take anything onboard. You have two choices now - continue as you are or disengage as much as you can. You put boundaries in place and you stick to them (and I know it's hard to do with a parent). If she comes to visit you, she comes on your terms, if you visit her there you visit on your terms.

Thank you for this. I’ll be honest, I mostly started the thread because , despite rationally knowing these things(how I feel, who she is and always will be, that putting up with certain crap is the cross I have to bear if I want a relationship etc.), sometimes I do doubt myself. Should I be doing more? Give more? Try more?Am I selfish for wanting /needing the summer hols to myself/my family when she has no one? Should I be like the other daughters? Can I even be like them, when she’s not like the other mothers? I know I’m falling short.

OP posts:
LoveWine123 · 21/07/2025 15:46

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 21/07/2025 15:24

Thank you for this. I’ll be honest, I mostly started the thread because , despite rationally knowing these things(how I feel, who she is and always will be, that putting up with certain crap is the cross I have to bear if I want a relationship etc.), sometimes I do doubt myself. Should I be doing more? Give more? Try more?Am I selfish for wanting /needing the summer hols to myself/my family when she has no one? Should I be like the other daughters? Can I even be like them, when she’s not like the other mothers? I know I’m falling short.

I think you are only falling short because in her eyes it will never be enough. But that's not on you, that's on her. You can bend over backwards as I'm sure you've done already and it will still never be enough simply because she is deeply unhappy. However you cannot be the one to fix this for her. She has to take responsibility for herself, for her moods, for her surroundings and for behaviours. With the best will in the world, you cannot do it all for her. The only thing you can do is keep yourself sane by pulling back and keeping firm boundaries. It will not be easy but it won't be more difficult than doing what you are doing now. Might as well save yourself (and your family) in the process. Best wishes to you. This kind of toxicity (from a parent no less) is a very difficult thing to endure. Look out for yourself and be kind to yourself. You are not a bad daughter!

BoredZelda · 21/07/2025 15:58

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 21/07/2025 15:24

Thank you for this. I’ll be honest, I mostly started the thread because , despite rationally knowing these things(how I feel, who she is and always will be, that putting up with certain crap is the cross I have to bear if I want a relationship etc.), sometimes I do doubt myself. Should I be doing more? Give more? Try more?Am I selfish for wanting /needing the summer hols to myself/my family when she has no one? Should I be like the other daughters? Can I even be like them, when she’s not like the other mothers? I know I’m falling short.

What more can you do? It sounds like you’ve tried and it doesn’t work.

You say you can be honest with her. If you’ve had the conversation about how she is the architect of her own demise, the next conversation is, of she wants to continue as she is, you won’t be seeing her either. Everyone else has turned their back on her for the same reasons, it’s just unfortunate you’re the last one that’s left. Daughters usually are. It isn’t the cross you have to bear, there is no law that says you need to carry on with this. She’s made it clear she doesn’t enjoy visiting you so you won’t put that on her any more. You’ll visit when you can, when suits you, and leave that with her.

thedevilinablackdress · 21/07/2025 16:44

You are not 'falling short'.
Would you behave this way with your own children?
Then why do you have to accept it and let it make you feel you're not good enough?

Geraldina · 21/07/2025 16:54

"Give more"? No, you're an adult, keeping your own boundaries is important and you can only get on with her at all if you do so.

I would say that this is the perfect time to "negotiate" on the terms - you're welcome mum but for up to 10 days and while I am working. Take it or leave it. But in this case it sounds like you would rather just... not. Which is fine.