I am not sure I agree that Teachers have absolutely exhausting jobs - much more so than most jobs - as said by man on r4 this morning

[RevolutionHere]

i am not sure what my dh, former welder would make of this statement

this is an argument regarding long summer holidays,

but if you read my posts i wasnt criticising teachers at all. god save us

So why start the thread?

Why not just listen to a man on the radio, privately disagree and get on with your day?

What did you expect the response to be?

But that's how it comes across. Can't you see that?

Ah, well I can't explain or account for individuals.

I'm in primary. We all have different strengths but a sloppy attitude towards progress and attainment wouldn't be tolerated by any school I've taught in.

Forgive my ignorance but are those set by the Local Authority mirrored in Academies?

Online only shows the grading - for example I am a local authority employee and my “band” is shown but I don’t know what band a teacher is?

I have always seen teaching as a vocation, rather than something teachers do for money.

no, only by teachers who are oversensitive by the sound of things
far too ready to overreact

@RevolutionHere I disagree with your statement in the title. I agree with the radio presenter that teaching IS more exhausting than MOST jobs. To be honest I haven’t seen teacher bashing from you, but you seem a bit clueless as to what is involved in teaching

i was a teacher, it was utterly exhausting and miserable. And I am so glad I escaped

You keep on bringing up welding for some reason. They are not comparable at all, you wouldn’t be able to measure them against each other so please stop banging on about that

thanks @YorkshireGoldie
as said, my dh was a welder, it was hard physical work, long hours, exhausting.
that was my argument - that is all i said.
i have been told i am wrong and there are different levels of exhaustion. oh well, there is no winner

who says i am clueless about teaching? i have no reason to be clued up tbh

the argument going round seems to be physical exhaustion as compared to mental exhaustion

I have always seen teaching as a vocation, rather than something teachers do for money.

That is part of the problem, tbh.

I go above and beyond for my children. So do all the colleagues I know well enough to comment on. But there is always the demand and the expectation that we will do more and ore without complaint - for the children.

As for the vocation aspect? Of course we do it for the money. Don't you do your job for the money? Would you work double the hours a week you are paid for out of a sense.of love, duty, care or commitment? Of course you wouldn't.

Yes, I chose to become a teacher but, I'll be honest, 20 years ago the profession wasn't what it is now. And I chose it because I wanted to be the adult for some children that I never had. I wanted to share my love of learning and instill personal values. I wanted to contribute to the next generation and to society in a meaningful way. I wanted to be part of shaping young people and giving them self confidence and self belief. And, career wise, it matched personal qualities more than other jobs woupd have.

But I also wanted a roof over my head, to pay my bills, raise my own family, wear clothes, eat food, run a car, go on holiday and decorate. You know, like everyone else who has a job.

The out dated idea that teaching (and nursing, tbh) is a vocation is one of the reasons appalling conditions have been allowed to emerge and thrive and one of the most damaging aspects for the highly skilled, educated and qualified people who work within the profession.

none of my dc want to be teachers. although it has been suggested,
i think in teaching you have to Want to be a teacher

I think public perception of teachers has, rightly or wrongly, dropped because of what happened during Covid.

Some teachers were excellent, working the hubs etc, but a lot of them simply disappeared off the face of the earth. Especially during the first lockdown. Refused to do online lessons because “safeguarding”, all that stuff. A close relative of mine was a deputy head teacher and she shares this view. Her school certainly took a harder line with teachers in the second lockdown because they felt that during the first lockdown a lot of them simply downed tools.

I’ll say the same about GPs. The GPs in my practice (in Scotland) have been exceptionally difficult to access since Covid. Those services have never gone back to pre-Covid levels.

So why are you here?

where?
this isnt a teaching forum

Well, you are clueless. You have been told otherwise by many teachers, ex teachers, relatives of teachers and you are refusing to acknowledge it.

As in, Why did you start a thread about teaching?

but other folks here, are clueless about hard labour manual workers
swings and roundabouts

it wasnt about teaching, it was about occupations that are exhausting

i was nit picking the expression made by a man.
i am sure i would not be the only one criticising his remarks

Wow, your title literallly says you’re not sure you agree that teachers have exhausting jobs. Gaslighting at its finest, this is actually hilarious

@StillAGoth

Please don’t take my comments as me trying to justify that POV. I’ve always seen it as a vocation as someone needs to have a passion to teach and doesn’t pursue it for the money. But totally agree it should still be properly rewarded.

I have a huge admiration and respect for teachers and I am really saddened by the increase in demands I can see just from having gone to school myself, now nearly 20 years ago and my children who now attend.

I agree - if we view it as a vocation without adequate reward that will have the net result of forcing people out the profession which doesn’t benefit anyone.

Tbh I am shocked at saddened by the state of schools and the lack of respect for a teachers roles in our children’s lives. Posts like these don’t help.

No. Teachers defend themselves against the 9-3, long holidays, easy job accusations and then are told they are moaning. Mostly they don’t. What they do is, as you say, get on with it or leave. More and more are choosing the latter.

But no.one is starting threads criticising them 🙄

At this point, I just don't think you have the capacity to comprehend what people.are saying to you, whether you agree with it or not.

I'm reminded of Helen Mirren's quote that "before you argue with someone, ask yourself: is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective? Because if not, there's absolutely no point."

And, on that basis, I'm out because, I've actually got quite a lot of work to do this morning!

nope i said this
I am not sure I agree that Teachers have absolutely exhausting jobs - much more so than most jobs -

it is the much more so than most jobs that i am critical of