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Do you think Jack would of survived if Rose got on the life boat (the second time)

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Lorddenning1 · 20/07/2025 13:25

Watched Titanic last night and it got me wondering if Rose got on the life boat, do you think Jack odds of survival was better without Rose?
do you think she held him back a little as he is a resourceful guy, I think he would of found a way to get on a boat.
this was after she rescued him from being handcuffed to the pipe of course.

Also If they both did survive, do you think they would of stayed together?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 21/07/2025 20:25

yallahbye · 21/07/2025 18:09

I don’t think she was miscast at all but just not such a great love match with Leo. They pull it off though because the whole film is great. I would say that it’s more like Leo who was miscast? ..but I know that millions of fans would stone me to death for saying this.

Cast Leo as the whiney rich boy (who dates teenagers because he has money…). Billy as the bit of rough. Leave Kate where she is.

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/07/2025 20:27

AlecTrevelyan006 · 21/07/2025 18:57

there's no definitive number of those survivors who has been in the sea. There's certainly some dispute about a few of the stories from people who claimed to have been in the water

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/plucked-from-the-sea.html

Sounds like those ‘plucked from the water’ were almost all men who got onto a lifeboat but wanted to not look like it.

Is that fair?

r0ck · 21/07/2025 20:33

waaaaaah · 21/07/2025 20:17

@AntiquePenguinI’d never considered that and always wondered why she didn’t sell it for her adventures!

Also being pedantic, apparently It’s not a door she’s on, it’s a panel from a doorframe and Jack could not have survived according to Mythbusters.

In the deleted alternative ending she says something about it being tough being poor but she didn't want to live off Cal's money... or something like that. I still reckon her granddaughter would have enjoyed the cash though 😂

Dontlletmedownbruce · 21/07/2025 21:01

I liked the casting. I liked Rose. I didn't think she was spoilt just incredibly frustrated with her boring restricted life and ripe for a bit of mischief. I dont think it was all about Jack either, I think she realised that she could never be happy being the person her family wanted her to be.

I haven't seen it in years but doesn't she try to kill herself at the start? Although she seems quite happy and carefree for a suicidal person after she meets Jack. Maybe that's the point though, she knew if she went back to being who she was before she would become suicidal again.

latetothefisting · 21/07/2025 21:05

RiverGod · 20/07/2025 23:24

I’ve said it before and I’ll say again, why didn’t he break some of the doors off, lash them together to make a raft and put life jackets under for buoyancy? Then float out to the life boats.

I reckon they’d have lasted though, Rose had an adventurer’s spirit!

OMG seriously? possibly the stupidest most unrealistic suggestion ever! 🙄

when exactly would he have had time to do this?
by the time rose rescued him from being handcuffed in the room most of the ship was already underwater.

Do you know how hard it is to just "break a door" off? Let alone several. Where was he getting stuff to 'lash doors together' with? And enough life jackets to make it buoyant? People were WEARING any lifejackets they could find! And they weren't that effective anyway, you're talking about heavy1912 lifejackets btw, not our current easily inflatable ones!

Not to mention 'just launch it and float out' 😂 Oh yeah, really easy. The film showed how hard it was to launch the lifeboats effectively, and they were proper vessels with whole winch systems, not a few splintered doors stuck together with a hope and a dream.

You wouldn't want to spend a second longer in the sea than necessary because it was well below freezing, so you wouldn't launch your unrealistic impromptu raft until the ship was pretty much completely sunk, and the whole point was they literally didn't believe it would sink anywhere near as quickly as it did. But on the other hand if you did wait until the last minute then your raft would have got sucked under and would have broken up anyway with the force of the water.

If you've ever done one of those raft team building exercises most people don't end up with anything vaguely seaworthy at the end - and that's with more time, multiple people, and all the appropriate materials available ready for you, making it on a steady surface in full daylight in normal temperatures, to launch from a flat surface onto a slow moving lake or river. Not one man tearing doors off a sinking ship in a life and death situation in pitch dark in the middle of the atlantic at minus temperatures!

Catladywithoutacat · 21/07/2025 21:07

Jack was dusty she would have got bored of him in the end and wanted to find another rich man. She was used to a certain lifestyle he couldn’t provide. Unless they sued the titanic and got money

Coconutter24 · 21/07/2025 21:13

Pedallleur · 20/07/2025 14:54

No. Most of the men died. Once in the water he most likely would have frozen to death. If she hadn't have gone back for him he would have died in handcuffs

But if she’d of stayed on the second boat after getting him out the handcuffs then he probably would have survived. Once the boat went down he found the door then went to find rose to get her on the door, if Rose was on a boat he’d of found the door and got on it himself

Notsosure1 · 22/07/2025 03:45

Codyrhodesisaheel · 20/07/2025 13:38

But there was a lot of floating debris around so I’m sure he could have found something else. The reason Jack couldn’t fit on was because they were both trying to get onto the same thing from the same side

I know that story-wise, Jack had to die. But I’ve always felt it was a mistake by the props department that literally the ENTIRE world all said the same thing - that they could both fit on. The fact that 25 years later, there’s still debate lends to that as well.

james Cameron is so salty about it whenever it comes up. It’s hilarious.

Just because they could have both fit on doesn’t mean it would have stayed afloat under their combined weight

Notsosure1 · 22/07/2025 03:57

OtherS · 20/07/2025 14:01

I just feel so sorry for her husband and the father of her children, who was probably assuming she'd be meeting up with him in heaven rather than the one-night-stand she had when she was a teenager. Poor guy. What an awkward way to spend eternity.

Thank you! I remember thinking absolutely this at the time 😄 All my friends who thought this was the greatest romance ever told were less certain when I asked if they’d feel that way if their mum ditched their dad and chose to spend eternity with someone they had a brief fling with decades before when they were a teenager.

Freely admit to being a killjoy 😆

Notsosure1 · 22/07/2025 04:07

To add, one of the funniest things I’ve seen was a ‘what if?’ on YouTube focusing on Jack actually surviving by being frozen in ice, then discovered and thawed in a medical facility and exhibited King-Kong-esque, then suffering a descent into drugs and breakdown at modern-day life and the death of his beloved old Kate Winslet.

I believe it’s still out there 👀 and very much worth a watch 😂

Hillarious · 22/07/2025 04:41

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 20/07/2025 14:55

Would HAVE survived
(or would’ve)

Edited

Ditto. My only comment on this post.

CrocsNotDocs · 22/07/2025 04:52

Rose was horrible, not letting her mum know she survived. She could have let her mum know and still walked away.

I know the mum was supposed to be a villain in the movie but I always felt for her. She was a woman trying to save herself and her daughter from the poor house by the only means she knew- a financially secure marriage for her daughter. We may sneer at her with our modern ideas of marrying for love, but she really was taking the only path she could take. She had no get up and go so I presume she would have had to live off charity in poverty in New York or maybe prostitute herself.

MrsToddsShortcut · 22/07/2025 05:39

What I never understood was how, if Rose landed in New York as a steerage passenger with no money, how did she work her way back up so quickly?

All the photos in her cabin show her still young, posing at landmarks all over the world, by her aeroplane, her horse, the Pyramids etc. If she became an actress, I suppose conceivably she could travelled to the West Coast in time for the silent movie era, but it always seemed a bit jarring after the ‘giving up her lifestyle for love’ storyline. Unless she hastily married the first rich bloke who came her way…

Yabberwok · 22/07/2025 06:13

latetothefisting · 21/07/2025 21:05

OMG seriously? possibly the stupidest most unrealistic suggestion ever! 🙄

when exactly would he have had time to do this?
by the time rose rescued him from being handcuffed in the room most of the ship was already underwater.

Do you know how hard it is to just "break a door" off? Let alone several. Where was he getting stuff to 'lash doors together' with? And enough life jackets to make it buoyant? People were WEARING any lifejackets they could find! And they weren't that effective anyway, you're talking about heavy1912 lifejackets btw, not our current easily inflatable ones!

Not to mention 'just launch it and float out' 😂 Oh yeah, really easy. The film showed how hard it was to launch the lifeboats effectively, and they were proper vessels with whole winch systems, not a few splintered doors stuck together with a hope and a dream.

You wouldn't want to spend a second longer in the sea than necessary because it was well below freezing, so you wouldn't launch your unrealistic impromptu raft until the ship was pretty much completely sunk, and the whole point was they literally didn't believe it would sink anywhere near as quickly as it did. But on the other hand if you did wait until the last minute then your raft would have got sucked under and would have broken up anyway with the force of the water.

If you've ever done one of those raft team building exercises most people don't end up with anything vaguely seaworthy at the end - and that's with more time, multiple people, and all the appropriate materials available ready for you, making it on a steady surface in full daylight in normal temperatures, to launch from a flat surface onto a slow moving lake or river. Not one man tearing doors off a sinking ship in a life and death situation in pitch dark in the middle of the atlantic at minus temperatures!

In real life impossible I agree.

In the film, during the 20 minutes they spent running along wet corridors.

That bit of guff I still don't understand... they had explored the boat top to bottom, surely they knew how to get up top.

GreenIsMyFavoriteColour · 22/07/2025 06:53

Best thread ever! 🤣

Thanks OP!

AntiquePenguin · 22/07/2025 07:22

CrocsNotDocs · 22/07/2025 04:52

Rose was horrible, not letting her mum know she survived. She could have let her mum know and still walked away.

I know the mum was supposed to be a villain in the movie but I always felt for her. She was a woman trying to save herself and her daughter from the poor house by the only means she knew- a financially secure marriage for her daughter. We may sneer at her with our modern ideas of marrying for love, but she really was taking the only path she could take. She had no get up and go so I presume she would have had to live off charity in poverty in New York or maybe prostitute herself.

I have always liked to think she would have been looked after by 'the unsinkable Molly Brown'. They were in the life boat together. She'd treated Molly Brown with disdain but from the little we see of the character, Molly seems kind and pragmatic and I think the apparent death of Rose would have overridden any resentment. She could perhaps have been some kind of 'companion' to Molly Brown.

xSideshowAuntSallyXx · 22/07/2025 07:37

I like the Leo/Kate friendship, its stood the test of time as they. I think he personally wants to be with her and that's why he goes for inappropriately younger women because the real woman he wants he can't have. 😁

Rose had the diamond in her pocket, which I had assumed was where some of her money came from. Then she obviously married a man with money. Surprised the diamond stayed in her pocket and didn't end up at the bottom of the ocean though.

But there was always enough room on that door! Pffft Rose just needed to move over a bit.

bridgetsbum · 22/07/2025 09:19

Just because there was room for both doesn’t mean it would have been able to bear both of their weight. It probably would have sank with them both on it. They both try getting on and she falls off, you then sort of see the look of resignation on his face as he realises it won’t won’t and he’s going to sacrifice himself for her.

I don’t feel sorry for her mum, she was happy to see her daughter married off to an abusive man so they could stay rich. I think Rose just wanted a fresh start away from them all.

I like to think Jack was the love of her life (although she’d only known him two days) and she would have been with him if he hadn’t died. That’s why she reunited with him in heaven not her hubby. Maybe it was just a dream anyway and she didn’t really die?

deeahgwitch · 22/07/2025 09:41

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 20/07/2025 14:55

Would HAVE survived
(or would’ve)

Edited

This.
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