Do you think Jack would of survived if Rose got on the life boat (the second time)

[Lorddenning1]

Watched Titanic last night and it got me wondering if Rose got on the life boat, do you think Jack odds of survival was better without Rose?
do you think she held him back a little as he is a resourceful guy, I think he would of found a way to get on a boat.
this was after she rescued him from being handcuffed to the pipe of course.

Also If they both did survive, do you think they would of stayed together?

That’s a good point. I know there was a scene where rose hid from her mum but that was once they docked in NY

She stayed with the 3rd Class survivors deliberately to avoid her mother.

I caught some of it last night, and it was the first time I noticed that Jack DOES try to get on the floating door thingy with Rose at and they struggle for a bit until he gives up and lets Rose stay on it because he realises it’s not going to be stable with him on it. Why have I never clocked that before? Must’ve seen that film 20 times.

And he had a face like a slightly cute potato. Now he has a face like an old potato.

(Though it’s Rose’s weirdly brassy hair colour that bothers me. When I can stop laughing about ‘Paint me like one of your French girls’ and the hand on the steamy glass.)

Anyway, he’d have died a lot sooner if she hadn’t rescued him, so swings and roundabouts?

Yes, no way was being rescued from a shipwreck going to mean Rose’s mother mixed with the grubby lower-deck proles. Anyway, maybe she starved genteelly to death given that she could no longer sell Rose off to Billy Zane. Not that he was going to marry her anyway, once he discovered she’d been cavorting with Jack.

It's based on a true story. A school girl ran away from school to board the ship in Cobh (Queenstown at the time in Co. cork Ireland) with her boyfriend, a boy from a lower class. The boat was delayed and they had to hide out before boarding. Her brother and father followed with guns attempting to kill the boy. They managed to get away and onto the boat only sadly they never survived. There was an exhibition about it at the Titanic museum in Cobh, i was there recently. I'll see if I can get the details and then update.

Edit: Mary Mullin, a Galway girl ran away from Loretto boarding school in Dublin with Denis Lennon, an assistant in their business. They missed a booking on another ship and got onto the Titanic as 3rd class passengers with Mary using a fake married name. Her brother chased them with a shot gun and apparently reached the port too late. https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-victim/mary-lennon-mullin.html

No I totally agree with you. She would’ve been bored and fed up within two days. What would they have done together? She’d have been an outcast in society too really wouldn’t she…not like her mum and dad would’ve had ol’ Jack round for dinner or a trip to the theatre is it?

Although from what I remember she had a pretty unimpressively average house as an old lady didn’t she? So was she supposed to have married an average non wealthy man - you know to show she learned from Jack and didn’t go back to the fancy life?

and yes, I always felt sorry for her husband. and the daughter was such a twit with no loyalty to her late father, encouraging her mother’s reminiscing crap.

Hadn’t thought about her mother! And the poor researcher who listened to her waffling on for hours only for her to get rid of that tacky necklace in the sea! She could’ve done a bunch of good with that or at least let him have it - must’ve cost him a lot of sacrifice to get that research trip together, even if he was a bit slimes.

omg I’ve overthought this too

It doesn’t really resemble a bored upper-class American marrying a rich brute for money, and having her head turned before she can do it by a charming lower-deck wastrel who stops her throwing herself overboard.

Even if he had survived, he would’ve been killed in WW1.

There is a whole hierarchy in Hollywood of ‘resembling’. All the way from documentary to ‘inspired by a true story’. I think this is quite far down that road!

Well, I suppose there’s an ill-matched couple on a doomed boat who’d definitely have lasted about a weekend as a couple in the US had the iceberg not intervened…😀

Not necessarily. The Americans only joined in near the end.

Rose might have suggested he volunteered early…

@Minesril😮

He does, and yet he’s actually older than her!

Exactly. A loose inspiration. To be fair the makers always said the characters were fictitious but the doomed star crossed lovers angle was perhaps inspired. It's an interesting and tragic story either way, a couple eloping against the family wishes, last minute change of plan to get the doomed boat. I hope they had some short happiness together before it all ended.

There was a thread here a whole back about how young Rose's mother was. It didn't occur to her to remarry into a wealthy family although she was only in her 40s. It was a funny thread about random titanic trivia from what I recall.

19 months before the end. Plenty of time for a ‘poor guy’ to join up/be drafted in.

I actually don't know how high the loss of American lives was in WW1... I will have to read up on it.
He was a bit of an adventurer and had spent time in France so he might have gone.
(Totally random and not really related to Titanic but I always find it sad how many baby boys born during or just after the First World War would have been considered replacements/memorials to their dead fathers - only to 20 years later they were the ones sent off to war.
Many women lost husbands in one war, sons in the next 😭.)

Totally agree. They would have never overcome the class differences.

why?
you do know the majority of men who fought weren't killed?
and that's the actual allies involved throughout the war, not americans who didn't get involved until the end.

@MeringueOutangand when she became an actress, surely someone would have recognised her.

I always thought Rose was a bit slutty if I'm honest. Shagging someone she hardly knew in the back seat of someone's car. Reckless too, its not like she was on the pill!

@Lorddenning1- sorry to be pedantic, but I don't think Lord Denning 'would have' made the mistake that appears in your OP title.

@Dontlletmedownbruce do you happen to have the link for that, I would be very interested is that thread.