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Thread 9: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 00:16

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

3rd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

4th Observer ‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as this will only encourage them back to the threads.

We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for eight threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path. Thank you.

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

Raynor and Moth Winn’s redemptive journey from penury and homelessness led to a bestselling book. The truth behind it is very different

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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Charlize43 · 20/07/2025 13:42

“The thread is attracting a great deal of outside attention.”

Penguin, pick me!

PandoraSocks · 20/07/2025 13:43

Humankindness · 20/07/2025 12:34

It’s relevant because:

The views of medical consultants have largely been accepted as fact on this thread. Yet this one - which specifies that the Walker-Winns have been careful not to claim that what works for them will work for others - is framed as irrelevant. This is inconsistent and selective.

By the way, your tone is aggressive. I imagine this could prevent other potential contributors from doing so.

Why, in your view, did the CBD charity almost immediately distance itself when the Observer story broke?

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 13:45

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PandoraSocks · 20/07/2025 13:47

The reference to "very mumsie statements" is rather telling, I think.

SuffolkSun · 20/07/2025 13:50

Stravaig · 20/07/2025 13:36

😍 This is wonderful! Perhaps a glossy limited series on Netflix instead?

Now there's a thought - shall I start getting a pitch document together, I wonder.

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 13:51

Your attempts to derail and to control the narrative for every other person on this thread has always been obvious

And have been extremely successful looking at the amount of quoting and tagging on this thread alone.

This from @DisappointedReader's OP:

Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.

Choux · 20/07/2025 13:52

Fandango52 · 20/07/2025 13:31

“The thread is attracting a great deal of outside attention.”

Is it? That is genuinely news to me. I know Marina Hyde mentioned Mumsnet in passing on the ‘Rest is Entertainment’ episode referencing the Salt Path allegations, but she definitely didn’t mention this thread specifically. And this thread hasn’t been mentioned anywhere else, as far as I know.

Where is it attracting outside attention @Humankindness? Is that how you found the threads?

Stravaig · 20/07/2025 13:56

Worth remembering that there is a lot of money at stake here for the publishers and filmmakers. If there is more to come from the Observer, and it is even more definitive, there will be attempts to prevent publication. There will also be a concerted campaign to shut down, discredit, or turn the direction of any and all social media discussions.

Choux · 20/07/2025 13:56

Fandango52 · 20/07/2025 13:34

How are ‘patient’ and ‘courteous’ ‘mumsy statements’, @Humankindness? I’m not even a mum… sorry, all - feel free to boot me off the thread!

<waves at @Fandango52> 👋 Hi - I’m a mumsy talking non mum too! I think we will be allowed to stay!!!

Stravaig · 20/07/2025 13:57

SuffolkSun · 20/07/2025 13:50

Now there's a thought - shall I start getting a pitch document together, I wonder.

Yes! I think a series, because any subsequent treatment must shift focus to centre all the people who have been wronged along the way.

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 14:01

There will also be a concerted campaign to shut down, discredit, or turn the direction of any and all social media discussions.

As we're experiencing here.

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 14:05

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bluegreygreen · 20/07/2025 14:05

The views of medical consultants have largely been accepted as fact on this thread. Yet this one - which specifies that the Walker-Winns have been careful not to claim that what works for them will work for others - is framed as irrelevant. This is inconsistent and selective.

Just for clarity: the wording of the 2025 letter, as I said in my previous post, is that the Walkers said that they have been careful.
'I was very pleased to hear from them that ... they emphasise benefit of activities, without indicating that the clinical outcome will be as favourable'
The consultant's wording is very clear - he/she is not endorsing what is said but repeating it. The only way the consultant could say differently would be if he had heard them speak.

Thebelleofstmarys · 20/07/2025 14:06

Somewhat random interjection from me , but something odd from the book which I found irritating and strange was a tale of a soup kitchen in Newquay . I lived there until 2021 , was quite involved with various community projects / charities and cannot recall a soup kitchen at all. There was a drop in hub , now closed , which provided meals on certain days plus a community kitchen which did similar . Maybe it's my age - similar to RW - but the soup kitchen words conjured images of earlier times when Men of the Road received basic sustenance from soup kitchens from kind hearted citizens . I felt it was an archaic phrase used to emphasise the reader's impression of how down on their luck Raymoth were at the time. She is fond of tugging at her reader's heartstrings by using flowery, emotive language

Mind you, I must admit to being pretty cross with them for perpetuating the myth that a good old walk will sort everything out and wish I had a pound for everytime some well meaning person has suggested similar to me so i probably am just being irritable and splitting hairs . And as an aside , was asked to cut back on exercise the other day by physio as they feel it's worsening one of my conditions currently. My daily goal is to walk round town and to the beach for an hour in total. About a mile . Yes it takes me that long and I need painkillers in order to achieve that but my muscles are wasting alarmingly now.
Often physically unable to get further than.the garden. It's rubbish .

Iwrotesomething · 20/07/2025 14:13

Choux · 20/07/2025 13:52

Where is it attracting outside attention @Humankindness? Is that how you found the threads?

Odd given that there are also many comments on FB under footage of the Hemmings which come from people who also live in the area and which are, um, quite forthright about the Walkers. And then there are the many, many (I cannot get my head round them) threads on Reddit which are doing just the same thing as on here, and where Chloe H has been posting. And that's before we even start on Bluesky and Twitter.

So I think that questions about the Walkers are spread pretty wide by now, and there is plenty of outside attention on many of these places.

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 14:14

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VerySwettyBetty · 20/07/2025 14:15

Charlize43 · 20/07/2025 13:09

Apologies if this has already been posted and discussed (mistakes were made) but I'm curious why the Observer today couldn't have investigated this as a follow up.

Was this WinnWalker's first book, published in 2012?

It seems as though it’s difficult to find copies of this book - it was self-published and who knows how many are actually out there. There are a couple of websites where it was promoted (including that one in the screenshot). As far as I recall Sally acknowledged the book publication/attempted Welsh house raffle somewhere so I think it’s unequivocal that one (or both?) of them wrote it. At least I think that’s how this bit of the saga goes - happy to be corrected if I’ve misremembered

(ETA for clarity - this is about How Not to Dal-Dy-Dyr by “Izzy Wynn-Thomas”)

Charlize43 · 20/07/2025 14:16

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 14:01

There will also be a concerted campaign to shut down, discredit, or turn the direction of any and all social media discussions.

As we're experiencing here.

I suggest we ignore and just continue with business as normal... This is clearly a monstrous trial we must overcome through human endurance: We post, until we stop posting, and maybe on the way we find some kind of future...

We can always use the ' mistakes were made ' disclaimer. I used it this morning when my OH complained that the toast was burnt. It's really useful, that one.

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 14:16

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 13:51

Your attempts to derail and to control the narrative for every other person on this thread has always been obvious

And have been extremely successful looking at the amount of quoting and tagging on this thread alone.

This from @DisappointedReader's OP:

Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.

Edited

Thanks.

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ExpressCheckout · 20/07/2025 14:18

VerySwettyBetty · 20/07/2025 14:15

It seems as though it’s difficult to find copies of this book - it was self-published and who knows how many are actually out there. There are a couple of websites where it was promoted (including that one in the screenshot). As far as I recall Sally acknowledged the book publication/attempted Welsh house raffle somewhere so I think it’s unequivocal that one (or both?) of them wrote it. At least I think that’s how this bit of the saga goes - happy to be corrected if I’ve misremembered

(ETA for clarity - this is about How Not to Dal-Dy-Dyr by “Izzy Wynn-Thomas”)

Edited

This one? https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B00P6ET790

"Ellias and Baxter arrive in North Wales with a van full of children and dreams for their future. They aren’t expecting the investment that future is based on, to go so painfully wrong."

Hmm.

Izzy Wyn-Thomas: books, biography, latest update

Follow Izzy Wyn-Thomas and explore their bibliography from Amazon's Izzy Wyn-Thomas Author Page.

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AldoGordo · 20/07/2025 14:18

Thebelleofstmarys · 20/07/2025 14:06

Somewhat random interjection from me , but something odd from the book which I found irritating and strange was a tale of a soup kitchen in Newquay . I lived there until 2021 , was quite involved with various community projects / charities and cannot recall a soup kitchen at all. There was a drop in hub , now closed , which provided meals on certain days plus a community kitchen which did similar . Maybe it's my age - similar to RW - but the soup kitchen words conjured images of earlier times when Men of the Road received basic sustenance from soup kitchens from kind hearted citizens . I felt it was an archaic phrase used to emphasise the reader's impression of how down on their luck Raymoth were at the time. She is fond of tugging at her reader's heartstrings by using flowery, emotive language

Mind you, I must admit to being pretty cross with them for perpetuating the myth that a good old walk will sort everything out and wish I had a pound for everytime some well meaning person has suggested similar to me so i probably am just being irritable and splitting hairs . And as an aside , was asked to cut back on exercise the other day by physio as they feel it's worsening one of my conditions currently. My daily goal is to walk round town and to the beach for an hour in total. About a mile . Yes it takes me that long and I need painkillers in order to achieve that but my muscles are wasting alarmingly now.
Often physically unable to get further than.the garden. It's rubbish .

Given its possible (note my caveat possible) that they visited their son in Newquay who was living and working there at the time of their walk, it does seem unusual they went to a soup kitchen there. Also possible that he was unavailable.

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 14:19

Charlize43 · 20/07/2025 14:16

I suggest we ignore and just continue with business as normal... This is clearly a monstrous trial we must overcome through human endurance: We post, until we stop posting, and maybe on the way we find some kind of future...

We can always use the ' mistakes were made ' disclaimer. I used it this morning when my OH complained that the toast was burnt. It's really useful, that one.

Agreed.

We have had some burnt offerings this fortnight, including a quiche which looked like it had been to the crematorium.

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VerySwettyBetty · 20/07/2025 14:19

ExpressCheckout · 20/07/2025 14:18

This one? https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B00P6ET790

"Ellias and Baxter arrive in North Wales with a van full of children and dreams for their future. They aren’t expecting the investment that future is based on, to go so painfully wrong."

Hmm.

Yup 😆

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 14:20

I strongly suggest that we no longer engage with, @ or quote this poster.

In five pages over 20% of posts have been by them, tagging them, quoting them, or mentioning them.

Quite a derailing success story.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 20/07/2025 14:20

Iwrotesomething · 20/07/2025 14:13

Odd given that there are also many comments on FB under footage of the Hemmings which come from people who also live in the area and which are, um, quite forthright about the Walkers. And then there are the many, many (I cannot get my head round them) threads on Reddit which are doing just the same thing as on here, and where Chloe H has been posting. And that's before we even start on Bluesky and Twitter.

So I think that questions about the Walkers are spread pretty wide by now, and there is plenty of outside attention on many of these places.

I'm glad it's not just me that can't cope with Reddit!
Yes lots of forthright opinions on there, all chiming with the majority on here. Likewise in the comments section of most of the major papers.

I am all for being contrarian. A lot of us saw there were real problems with the book at the point the view of the "crowd" was to love it.

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