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Thread 9: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 00:16

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

3rd Observer https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

4th Observer ‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as this will only encourage them back to the threads.

We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for eight threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path. Thank you.

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

Raynor and Moth Winn’s redemptive journey from penury and homelessness led to a bestselling book. The truth behind it is very different

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 21/07/2025 19:52

DisappointedReader · 21/07/2025 18:58

I was just coming on to say ah, the old 'if you don't take it I'll have to drown/shoot it' canny farmers' sales trick!

I do not know a farmer who would drown a puppy when he could shove it on the board in the local agricultural merchants and get at least fifty quid for it. If it's a terrier and it can walk - it can kill rats.

candycane222 · 21/07/2025 19:57

SwetSwetSwet · 21/07/2025 17:48

The ladybirds hatching is a bit strange. They emerge from their pupae cases, as it's the larvae that hatch from the eggs 😁The passage in the book reads [my bold]:

Rather than layers of sweaty salt, my legs were crawling in ladybirds. I stood up and found they were all over me. In fact they were everywhere. Over the tent, the stove and, as he stood up, Moth too. Their tiny feet all heading towards the sky as they lifted into flight, migrating towards their first breakfast from our outstretched arms. A lifetime spent in the natural world had taught me how the ladybird parent lays hundreds of eggs in an area where there’s a high population of aphids, so that when they hatch they’re in the right place for a ready meal. But they were too special and the shiny red wonders too numerous: there had to be more to it than that; they had to have a meaning for us. We stood in the early morning, watching hundreds of tiny creatures stretch their wings for the first time and lift into flight from our fingertips. No, I couldn’t be scientific about it, and clung to the myth of the ladybird bringing good luck, carrying it with me in a rosy, spotted glow. I watched the pink aura lift from Moth and tried to believe in miracles.
See www.rspca.org.uk/documents/1494931/0/TN+From+egg+to+ladybird+%281%29.pdf
PS may I be the biology correspondent... please???

Never mind the 😂 reaction,we need a 🤢 reaction for prose like this 😭😭

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 21/07/2025 19:58

No running off without paying. No wild poos without a trowel. No taking your own teabags into cafés. No glaring jealously at other diners.

Seriously? No point going away then!

swpath · 21/07/2025 20:07

It's pissed down today so I have not been out telling tourists 'you've been salted' or scratching 'jam first' onto random car bonnets.

The dog has switched to her street name, so when the tourists walk on the footpath behind the fence I shout ' shut it you slag' at the all bark and fluff canine, standing behind me.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 21/07/2025 20:08

AldoGordo · 21/07/2025 17:52

I hope you're literally being metaphorical, like how Simon Armitage is both real and unreal in The Salt Path - a being that inhabits the liminal spaces.

Edited

Is Simon Armitage even really real or just a mythical being at this point? I have definitely written his name more than my own in the last fortnight so much so I'm starting to wonder if I should just call myself Simon Armitage now and cut out the middle man.

User14March · 21/07/2025 20:14

So they forget vital meds in TSP & now early on the trek in Landlines they forget/run out of painkillers. Surely, surely you’d pack vast amounts especially after having an issue before!

Aspanielstolemysanity · 21/07/2025 20:16

Has anyone read /got a share code for the article that was in the times today?

Thread 9: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 21/07/2025 20:18

DisappointedReader · 21/07/2025 18:49

Next thread title:

Thread 10: AIBU to feel despair at the thought of creating a 10th thread and to want to drink sump oil rather than seeing, hearing, talking or reading about the Walker-Winn-Wyns ever again?

😂😂😂.
Come on OP, no flagging.
Would a Fudge bar help lift your spirits?

Aspanielstolemysanity · 21/07/2025 20:24

DisappointedReader · 21/07/2025 18:49

Next thread title:

Thread 10: AIBU to feel despair at the thought of creating a 10th thread and to want to drink sump oil rather than seeing, hearing, talking or reading about the Walker-Winn-Wyns ever again?

Grin
AlertCat · 21/07/2025 20:28

SwetSwetSwet · 21/07/2025 17:48

The ladybirds hatching is a bit strange. They emerge from their pupae cases, as it's the larvae that hatch from the eggs 😁The passage in the book reads [my bold]:

Rather than layers of sweaty salt, my legs were crawling in ladybirds. I stood up and found they were all over me. In fact they were everywhere. Over the tent, the stove and, as he stood up, Moth too. Their tiny feet all heading towards the sky as they lifted into flight, migrating towards their first breakfast from our outstretched arms. A lifetime spent in the natural world had taught me how the ladybird parent lays hundreds of eggs in an area where there’s a high population of aphids, so that when they hatch they’re in the right place for a ready meal. But they were too special and the shiny red wonders too numerous: there had to be more to it than that; they had to have a meaning for us. We stood in the early morning, watching hundreds of tiny creatures stretch their wings for the first time and lift into flight from our fingertips. No, I couldn’t be scientific about it, and clung to the myth of the ladybird bringing good luck, carrying it with me in a rosy, spotted glow. I watched the pink aura lift from Moth and tried to believe in miracles.
See www.rspca.org.uk/documents/1494931/0/TN+From+egg+to+ladybird+%281%29.pdf
PS may I be the biology correspondent... please???

Yes, this struck me when I read the book. I actually watched a ladybird larva on my rose bush once and it was voracious eating the aphids, literally sucking them dry in seconds 😮🤢
They certainly don’t hatch from eggs into adult ladybirds, whatever RaySal’s lifetime of living on the land has taught her.

FarmerPilesofJam · 21/07/2025 20:34

Ooh! I’ve never had quoted words on a thread! Deeply honoured and thank you DisappointedReader 💐

Big debate here as the sump oil and despair bucket has no handle.

<quietly adds Tesco 1/2 tog sleeping bag and charity shop jumpers to rucksack>
And sunscreen for all the noses you will lose.

Spindleweed · 21/07/2025 20:35

Oh, Simon Armitage (whose SWCP book I’m reading) has just encountered, somewhere between Padstow and Constantine Bay, a sleeping elderly man on a bench,with all his belongings around him in plastic bags and holdalls— is this the same man the Walkers met? Moth gave him some of their food and he tells them to fuck off?

Songlines · 21/07/2025 20:44

Spindleweed · 21/07/2025 20:35

Oh, Simon Armitage (whose SWCP book I’m reading) has just encountered, somewhere between Padstow and Constantine Bay, a sleeping elderly man on a bench,with all his belongings around him in plastic bags and holdalls— is this the same man the Walkers met? Moth gave him some of their food and he tells them to fuck off?

And purely coincidently that's where I'm heading tomorrow. Shall I do some sleuthing?

Spindleweed · 21/07/2025 21:00

Songlines · 21/07/2025 20:44

And purely coincidently that's where I'm heading tomorrow. Shall I do some sleuthing?

His bench, acc SA, is about a mile before Harlyn Bay, and near a gate with ‘I hate Snobs. Posh Scum’ written in marker on the top bar. but sadly, if he was elderly and homeless in 2013, it’s probably unlikely he’s still alive and on the path.

FudgeitOnaBudget · 21/07/2025 21:06

... sent in error. Deleted by self!

FudgeitOnaBudget · 21/07/2025 21:15

I've just put the text from this page into the poetry generating chat thing and these were a few of the limericks it came up with this time: -

Local Colour
The rain's come and pissed on the scene,
No scrawlings of jam to be seen.
No tourists were salted,
No bonnet defaulted—
The street dog's now acting obscene.

Dog Barks & Slang
When strangers walk by on the trail,
My dog, though all fluff, likes to wail.
So I shout at her loud,
And pretend I'm so proud—
“Shut it, you slag!” sets the tale.

Simon the Myth
Is Armitage real? Who can say?
He floats like a ghost on the Way.
So often I write
His name late at night—
Might as well be him, any old way.

Packing Logic
They’ve trekked through both hunger and pain,
Forgot meds and then did it again!
One trek, a mistake—
But two? For Pete’s sake!
Just pack for the wind and the rain!

Forum Feelings
Thread Ten and I’m weary and cursed,
The Wyn-Walk-Wynn talk is the worst.
Despair fills my soul,
Where’s that sump oil bowl?
Just drink it and see who goes first.

A Sleeping Encounter
Old man on a bench, deep in nap,
With bags in a plastic-wrap trap.
Did Moth give him food?
Was he gruff or just rude?
Tomorrow I'll sleuth with my map.

AldoGordo · 21/07/2025 21:28

User14March · 21/07/2025 20:14

So they forget vital meds in TSP & now early on the trek in Landlines they forget/run out of painkillers. Surely, surely you’d pack vast amounts especially after having an issue before!

And knowing you're heading off on what must surely be the most shop-sparse trail in the entire UK. From Cape Wrath the first shop you'd get to is at Kinlochbervie, at least a full days walk away, mostly across bog, with limited opening hours. Next shop would be days after that unless taking a massive detour...or getting a taxi.

LDW correspondent

AldoGordo · 21/07/2025 21:36

FudgeitOnaBudget · 21/07/2025 21:15

I've just put the text from this page into the poetry generating chat thing and these were a few of the limericks it came up with this time: -

Local Colour
The rain's come and pissed on the scene,
No scrawlings of jam to be seen.
No tourists were salted,
No bonnet defaulted—
The street dog's now acting obscene.

Dog Barks & Slang
When strangers walk by on the trail,
My dog, though all fluff, likes to wail.
So I shout at her loud,
And pretend I'm so proud—
“Shut it, you slag!” sets the tale.

Simon the Myth
Is Armitage real? Who can say?
He floats like a ghost on the Way.
So often I write
His name late at night—
Might as well be him, any old way.

Packing Logic
They’ve trekked through both hunger and pain,
Forgot meds and then did it again!
One trek, a mistake—
But two? For Pete’s sake!
Just pack for the wind and the rain!

Forum Feelings
Thread Ten and I’m weary and cursed,
The Wyn-Walk-Wynn talk is the worst.
Despair fills my soul,
Where’s that sump oil bowl?
Just drink it and see who goes first.

A Sleeping Encounter
Old man on a bench, deep in nap,
With bags in a plastic-wrap trap.
Did Moth give him food?
Was he gruff or just rude?
Tomorrow I'll sleuth with my map.

Edited

😂😂😂I can't cope. Too funny.

BTW, if anyone notices I've loved a post, it now means I'm laughing (either controllably or otherwise).

QuantumLevelActions · 21/07/2025 21:37

Are the books a parady? The writing is so sixth-formerish.

'These hands never worked on the land til they bled, never saw the dawn on countless morns' etc

It's hard to believe she was published. I wonder who she/he was shagging?

User14March · 21/07/2025 21:40

Aspanielstolemysanity · 21/07/2025 20:16

Has anyone read /got a share code for the article that was in the times today?

I can’t see this in Times today?

Aspanielstolemysanity · 21/07/2025 21:41

QuantumLevelActions · 21/07/2025 21:37

Are the books a parady? The writing is so sixth-formerish.

'These hands never worked on the land til they bled, never saw the dawn on countless morns' etc

It's hard to believe she was published. I wonder who she/he was shagging?

I think the terrible tale of woe about losing their home and the "miracle cure" for a terminal disease meant the quality of the writing was sadly overlooked.

TonstantWeader · 21/07/2025 21:43

Evening all, count me in for the thread charabanc outing, along with the Rovering Wild Pooing Correspondent (the RWPC)! @DisappointedReader, you are going above and beyond contemplating thread 10 🤣

picking up today’s discussion, I agree with the point upthread that Raymoth got lucky with this book. I agree that they threw loads of money generating ideas at the wall and this was the one which finally worked. But then the past caught up. More Fbk comments from locals seem to suggest that what tipped the Hemmings over into talking was the film being shown in the cinema round the corner from their old premises. I can imagine seeing a massive poster praising someone you know is a thief would be upsetting.

shout out too to @Catwith69lives for being our Twitter/X correspondent 🥰

AldoGordo · 21/07/2025 21:46

User14March · 21/07/2025 21:40

I can’t see this in Times today?

It's the one from last week about visiting the French property

Priorlake · 21/07/2025 22:05

I will be camping near Polruan and the cider farm later this week.
My assignments could be:

  1. Search for Haye Farm cider in the local shops. See if I can taste that history.
  2. Try to spot any journalists poking around / peering into chapel windows.
  3. Count how many people we pass on the coast path say anything profound about animals or berries (I haven't read the book but I understand there is waxing lyrical about blackberries and tortoises etc).
  4. Try scones both jam first and cream first. Being neither Devonian nor Cornwallian but Somersetian I have no skin in the game. I have always gone cream first on the assumption that it resembles butter more closely, but if there's butter as well that would complicate it...
OpenThatWindow · 21/07/2025 22:09

DisappointedReader · 21/07/2025 18:31

and eat so nothing too energetic.

See if you can survive on:
Pork pies
25p pasties
Noodles
Fudge

No running off without paying. No wild poos without a trowel. No taking your own teabags into cafés. No glaring jealously at other diners. Ok? The reputation of these threads and of Mumsnet is at stake.

PS Can we all come please? Call it a field trip?

Field trip! <raises hand>

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