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Thread 8: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 16/07/2025 23:41

Well, this has turned out to be slightly longer than the dozen or so replies I expected when I started the first thread!

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

3rd Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

4th Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.

We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for seven threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path. Thank you.

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Iwrotesomething · 19/07/2025 10:19

I'll be the writing correspondent if that's any use - I have written (and had published) a book about walking in the South of England although very much with the proviso - set out at the start - which is that this is in no way a 'journey' and all I wanted to do at the start was go out for a walk. Which is probably why it didn't sell as well...

But the whole thing made me look at my contract, and I think that TSP would have had problems with two parts of this - that things could be proved to be true and - perhaps more tenuously - that the advice and instruction will not cause injury.

Thread 8: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
DisappointedReader · 19/07/2025 10:20

Just a word of thanks to numerous pps who have spurred me on to look back at the walking and travel books already on our shelves at home. I've dusted off Christina Dodwell (A Traveller on Horseback, for example) and Freya Stark to revisit, both of whom offered inspiration at the time to me as a young woman to set off and explore parts of the world away from the overcrowded tourist trails. Ah, memories.

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bluegreygreen · 19/07/2025 10:20

DisappointedReader · 19/07/2025 09:59

So not an entirely accurate account but absolutely not because of repaying stolen money or anything remotely criminal.

I have to disagree with you on this point. I think the evidence is there that the repossession was directly related to the debt of the unpaid loan on the house, taken out to repay the Hemmings and avoid prosecution and a possible prison sentence.

I think @gattocattivo meant that was her take on first reading the book - i.e. it was fairly obvious there must be more to the story even on an initial reading so should have been obvious to Penguin

DisappointedReader · 19/07/2025 10:24

Speagle · 19/07/2025 10:07

This may have been posted already but I've just noticed it:
BBC Sounds 'This Natural Life' 29th March 2025 Raynor Wynn talks about, amongst other things, the film and how she would block rabbit holes up with cowpats - so not too much trouble for the rabbits to get back inside their burrows I would have thought.
(Must learn how to add a link).

This Natural Life - Raynor Winn - BBC Sounds

This Natural Life - Raynor Winn - BBC Sounds

The Salt Path author Raynor Winn takes Martha along the south west coast path in Cornwall.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002975l

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DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 19/07/2025 10:25

Catsbreakfast · 19/07/2025 10:03

Were yes because it’s all a lie and she’s a criminal. Completely misleading her audience who would not have enjoyed her book if they had known about it.

I agree and I think it's evil embezzling money from a man who has cancer. How on earth can anyone have a shred of sympathy for someone who does that? You reap what you sow.

Bruisername · 19/07/2025 10:32

It’s semantics which £100k led to the loss of the house

they had to borrow 100k to pay back the theft +legal so they were down 100k. If they hadn’t borrowed it they wouldn’t have had any other issues

so whilst the theft didn’t directly lead to the loss of the house it was a major cause

Smike · 19/07/2025 10:36

@gattocattivo, Moth’s illness becomes even more of a thing, if anything, in The Wild Silence and Landlines. He’s depicted as increasingly weak and forgetful in TWS, needing to write a daily ‘to do’ list that reminds him to call Raynor to assure her he’s actually arrived at university every day, because on one occasion he drove for an hour in the wrong direction. He’s unable to look at a screen for long, making his academic work hard, he sleeps 12 hours a night etc.

Raynor longs for him to come and be with her as her mother is dying, but won’t let him because she thinks it would be unbearable for him to look at his own death. (Her mother struggles to breathe at the of her life, and that supposed to be the likely end stage for CBD.)

Being offered the cider farm is the answer to this — he needs ‘a wild, green life’ without problems.

Landlines starts with thst turning out not to be the case — he’s much sicker, he can’t even manage a 2-mile loop around the farm, and has a bad fall and n the orchard. She thinks he’s in the final decline. Yet Raynor decides they will walk the remote, difficult Cape Wrath trail despite this, and he recovers rapidly en route and is in fact the one pushing for them to walk all the way home to Cornwall from the north of Scotland.

Also, I think that the fudging and omissions about the reasons for the repossession of their farm at the start of TSP is absolutely covering up RW’s theft. They were evicted as a direct result of that theft, when they borrowed money at high interest and with a charge on their home to repay the stolen money and avoid RW being charged — when that debt was called in by whichever creditor took over the debt when the lender’s business failed, that was the court case that led to their home being repossessed.

Hence the cover story about ‘Cooper’.

Which may not be an outright lie, of course. It may be that they did invest in a friend’s business and lose money at some other point. But that’s not what lost them the house.

PandoraSocks · 19/07/2025 10:40

For example, the characterisation of the wife who did not sign the NDA but who knew that it existed and what it was signed for (ie non disclosure) who felt it ok to reveal all as victim

Mrs Hemmings didn't sign the NDA. Her husband is dead. She has done nothing wrong in coming forward. She is a victim of SW.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 19/07/2025 10:50

PandoraSocks · 19/07/2025 10:40

For example, the characterisation of the wife who did not sign the NDA but who knew that it existed and what it was signed for (ie non disclosure) who felt it ok to reveal all as victim

Mrs Hemmings didn't sign the NDA. Her husband is dead. She has done nothing wrong in coming forward. She is a victim of SW.

Of course she is x 100.

bluegreygreen · 19/07/2025 10:50

She also didn't come forward initially - she was contacted by the Observer

MysteriousUsername · 19/07/2025 10:54

@IwrotesomethingI'd love to read your book! I'm in the South and love reading walking books, especially if they're local.

Catwith69lives · 19/07/2025 10:59

MysteriousUsername · 19/07/2025 10:54

@IwrotesomethingI'd love to read your book! I'm in the South and love reading walking books, especially if they're local.

Me too! (I used to live in the south of England!)

AldoGordo · 19/07/2025 11:05

Smike · 19/07/2025 10:36

@gattocattivo, Moth’s illness becomes even more of a thing, if anything, in The Wild Silence and Landlines. He’s depicted as increasingly weak and forgetful in TWS, needing to write a daily ‘to do’ list that reminds him to call Raynor to assure her he’s actually arrived at university every day, because on one occasion he drove for an hour in the wrong direction. He’s unable to look at a screen for long, making his academic work hard, he sleeps 12 hours a night etc.

Raynor longs for him to come and be with her as her mother is dying, but won’t let him because she thinks it would be unbearable for him to look at his own death. (Her mother struggles to breathe at the of her life, and that supposed to be the likely end stage for CBD.)

Being offered the cider farm is the answer to this — he needs ‘a wild, green life’ without problems.

Landlines starts with thst turning out not to be the case — he’s much sicker, he can’t even manage a 2-mile loop around the farm, and has a bad fall and n the orchard. She thinks he’s in the final decline. Yet Raynor decides they will walk the remote, difficult Cape Wrath trail despite this, and he recovers rapidly en route and is in fact the one pushing for them to walk all the way home to Cornwall from the north of Scotland.

Also, I think that the fudging and omissions about the reasons for the repossession of their farm at the start of TSP is absolutely covering up RW’s theft. They were evicted as a direct result of that theft, when they borrowed money at high interest and with a charge on their home to repay the stolen money and avoid RW being charged — when that debt was called in by whichever creditor took over the debt when the lender’s business failed, that was the court case that led to their home being repossessed.

Hence the cover story about ‘Cooper’.

Which may not be an outright lie, of course. It may be that they did invest in a friend’s business and lose money at some other point. But that’s not what lost them the house.

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All good points. To try to fathom what happened, I think it's worth working out the potential thought process going in Raymoth's head that arrives at the dubious explanation of investment causing house loss. The origin of this explanation could easily be traced by the following:

  • RW owed the Hemmings a lot of money.
  • Raymoth get an emergency loan against the house.
  • Raymoth cannot pay back the loan and lose the house.
  • RW starts to write a book about the aftermath of the house loss.
  • The house loss is key to the story of going on the walk. It needs explained. She could have written they defaulted on mortgage. But then she'd have to explain why that happened and why they had no money, causing a whole raft of questions (i.e why were they unemployed etc.) She could also have written they lost the house because they couldn't repay a huge loan, but again this would need explaining (what was the loan for, why couldn't they pay it back?)

"So how are we going to explain our house loss Tim, without it being our fault?", she may have asked.
"How about you write that our loan from Cooper was actually a debt we owed to his failed company? We had invested and unbeknownst to us we were liable for company debts?"

"Yes, that could work. His company did fail and he did come after us for a debt."

QuaintPanda · 19/07/2025 11:06

PrettyDamnCosmic · 19/07/2025 08:28

It‘s a pretty good, extremely quick translation. But I do love this paragraph:

“he [Dad] wasn't good at sending out the bills ... I remember him doing work for people and coming back and saying I got two lobsters instead of brass.“ 😂

Smike · 19/07/2025 11:12

Divegirl65 · 19/07/2025 09:54

I'm very familiar with the book and stories contained within. My frustration with the film was that the "Grant" story was changed beyond all recognition, a random girl was added who walked with them a short way and was with them for the Lightly Salted Blackberry encounter. In one of the early scenes GA had a lovely pink bucket hat on.....in the book Raynor had forgotten to pack a hat and had to borrow one of Moths later on in the trek. I could go on. I'm confused why these changes were made. And how much of an input did Raynor/Sally have if she let these inaccuracies into the final edit. I know they couldn't include everything from the book in the film but why make these changes. Aside from that the scenery is gorgeous. So if you've got a free pass no reason to not go see it.

Well, someone who has seen the film may be able to say whether RW is listed as having any kind of executive role?

She didn’t write the screenplay, so what’s in or out, or where events are changed etc, won’t have been up to her. I was on a tv set earlier this year with a friend whose novel was the basis of a tv series, and she had no input at all, after signing over the rights. The screenplay writer did occasionally ask her a question when he was working on it, but he was mostly concerned with how to show things in dialogue and action that were only in the characters’ heads in the novel.

The director (Marianne Elliott) is an experienced theatre director, but this was her first film, though the screenwriter is experienced in tv and film. I think it will have been a difficult book to adapt for screen. Unless you have a voiceover, you have to figure out how to show everything via action or dialogue, and the book doesn’t have much dialogue, there’s only two real characters, and other than a few ‘events’ (the court case and eviction, the decision to walk, the tide swamping them, reading from Beowulf, the winter in between the two halves of the path etc), it’s mostly two people walking.

I imagine if the screenwriter/director/costume designer has put things in, it’s to solve problems in the adaptation to screen. There’s a flashback in the tv series of my friend’s book which isn’t in the novel, but it’s needed to illuminate something a character thinks but doesn’t say.

It was actually really interesting to think about. How do you show something unspoken?

Or Gillian Anderson might not have been able to act with the sun full in her face, or something, hence the hat.

Iwrotesomething · 19/07/2025 11:13

@MysteriousUsername @Catwith69lives Of course - the link is below, and there is (what a surprise) a story of deception and murkiness attached, but not by me.

https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-hard-way-discovering-the-women-who-walked-before-us-susannah-walker/7650721?ean=9781800183452

The book was published by Unbound, who went broke in a cloud of incompetence at best and probably worse, in which they spent all the authors' royalties on tech bro idiocy and then failed to get any more investment. So we've all lost money (in some cases - not me - five figure sums) and if you buy it, sadly, I'm unlikely to get the royalties. But do read it anyway, I'd rather people did. And I am hoping that someone else will take on the paperback.

However, upshot of that for you, is that you can buy it cheap on clearance...

www.ooinya.co.uk/products/thehardwayhardback?_pos=1&_sid=df38b93bf&_ss=r

PandoraSocks · 19/07/2025 11:20

@Iwrotesomething I am so sorry that you have been caught up in the Unbound mess. It must be heartbreaking.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 19/07/2025 11:23

Iwrotesomething · 19/07/2025 11:13

@MysteriousUsername @Catwith69lives Of course - the link is below, and there is (what a surprise) a story of deception and murkiness attached, but not by me.

https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-hard-way-discovering-the-women-who-walked-before-us-susannah-walker/7650721?ean=9781800183452

The book was published by Unbound, who went broke in a cloud of incompetence at best and probably worse, in which they spent all the authors' royalties on tech bro idiocy and then failed to get any more investment. So we've all lost money (in some cases - not me - five figure sums) and if you buy it, sadly, I'm unlikely to get the royalties. But do read it anyway, I'd rather people did. And I am hoping that someone else will take on the paperback.

However, upshot of that for you, is that you can buy it cheap on clearance...

www.ooinya.co.uk/products/thehardwayhardback?_pos=1&_sid=df38b93bf&_ss=r

Oh I missed this story about unbound. That's scandalous. I am so sorry.

Smike · 19/07/2025 11:24

Iwrotesomething · 19/07/2025 11:13

@MysteriousUsername @Catwith69lives Of course - the link is below, and there is (what a surprise) a story of deception and murkiness attached, but not by me.

https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/the-hard-way-discovering-the-women-who-walked-before-us-susannah-walker/7650721?ean=9781800183452

The book was published by Unbound, who went broke in a cloud of incompetence at best and probably worse, in which they spent all the authors' royalties on tech bro idiocy and then failed to get any more investment. So we've all lost money (in some cases - not me - five figure sums) and if you buy it, sadly, I'm unlikely to get the royalties. But do read it anyway, I'd rather people did. And I am hoping that someone else will take on the paperback.

However, upshot of that for you, is that you can buy it cheap on clearance...

www.ooinya.co.uk/products/thehardwayhardback?_pos=1&_sid=df38b93bf&_ss=r

Sounds great, @Iwrotesomething — I used to walk on the Ridgeway a lot when I was a student and having minor nervous breakdowns about love affairs and academic stuff. I entirely agree with the premise of your introduction.

And I hear you absolutely on the incompetencies and insanity of some small publishers, of which I have personal experience, alas.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 19/07/2025 11:26

I am definitely buying this book @Iwrotesomething but I am gutted for you about the publishing scandal

What a brilliant idea for a book

Cornishwafer · 19/07/2025 11:28

I don't think I can link it but there was an article in the bookseller about TSP which concluded ....

the widespread reaction to the Observer’s investigation is worth reflecting on. If readers stop trusting us, we may not be able to walk it back

This is so true. Relationship between book and reader can be quite intimate, especially with memoirs....the reader spending 6 or so hours with no voice, asking no questions while the memorist talks about themselves. In real life most people would feel.a little taken advantage of if they'd devoted that much time to a friend or stranger only to find their sob story was fabricated.

Iwrotesomething · 19/07/2025 11:30

Thank you everyone. I did of course do all the walking (!).

@Smike Unbound are not huge, but were not small either - published people like Nigel Planer and Vic Reeves among others, and had a few really big selling books.

Divegirl65 · 19/07/2025 11:33

Smike · 19/07/2025 11:12

Well, someone who has seen the film may be able to say whether RW is listed as having any kind of executive role?

She didn’t write the screenplay, so what’s in or out, or where events are changed etc, won’t have been up to her. I was on a tv set earlier this year with a friend whose novel was the basis of a tv series, and she had no input at all, after signing over the rights. The screenplay writer did occasionally ask her a question when he was working on it, but he was mostly concerned with how to show things in dialogue and action that were only in the characters’ heads in the novel.

The director (Marianne Elliott) is an experienced theatre director, but this was her first film, though the screenwriter is experienced in tv and film. I think it will have been a difficult book to adapt for screen. Unless you have a voiceover, you have to figure out how to show everything via action or dialogue, and the book doesn’t have much dialogue, there’s only two real characters, and other than a few ‘events’ (the court case and eviction, the decision to walk, the tide swamping them, reading from Beowulf, the winter in between the two halves of the path etc), it’s mostly two people walking.

I imagine if the screenwriter/director/costume designer has put things in, it’s to solve problems in the adaptation to screen. There’s a flashback in the tv series of my friend’s book which isn’t in the novel, but it’s needed to illuminate something a character thinks but doesn’t say.

It was actually really interesting to think about. How do you show something unspoken?

Or Gillian Anderson might not have been able to act with the sun full in her face, or something, hence the hat.

Good point about Raynors/Sally's lack of input. I don't see her name in the credits aside from "based on The Salt Path by Raynor Winn".

Catwith69lives · 19/07/2025 11:37

Cornishwafer · 19/07/2025 11:28

I don't think I can link it but there was an article in the bookseller about TSP which concluded ....

the widespread reaction to the Observer’s investigation is worth reflecting on. If readers stop trusting us, we may not be able to walk it back

This is so true. Relationship between book and reader can be quite intimate, especially with memoirs....the reader spending 6 or so hours with no voice, asking no questions while the memorist talks about themselves. In real life most people would feel.a little taken advantage of if they'd devoted that much time to a friend or stranger only to find their sob story was fabricated.

The TSP saga reminds me of the quote by Nietzsche:

“It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your truth so heavily that it does not even — quench thirst any more?”

MysteriousUsername · 19/07/2025 11:47

Sorry to hear you were caught up in the publishers mess@Iwrotesomething Your book looks great, and even though I'm not supposed to be buying anymore books this year (because of my huge TBR pile) I will buy yours.

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