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Thread 8: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 16/07/2025 23:41

Well, this has turned out to be slightly longer than the dozen or so replies I expected when I started the first thread!

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

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sualipa · 18/07/2025 07:34

As I'm heading to Latitude next Thursday, I’d been hoping to catch the Saltlines/Gigspanner show. The tour performances have evolved into a presentation of their latest album, with audiences being offered refunds though very few have taken up that option.

At this point, it's still uncertain whether the revamped show will go ahead at the festival, but I really hope it does!

www.gigspanner.com/live/2025/07/27/saltlines-the-gigspanner-big-band-with-raynor-winn-14

sualipa · 18/07/2025 07:36

fruit66 · 18/07/2025 07:31

Yesterday’s Telegraph had a piece on South West Coast Path Association charity considering dropping RW as their ambassador. It’s behind a paywall so I’ve not read it myself but here’s the link in case others can access it https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/16/coastal-charity-may-cut-ties-salt-path-author-winn-swcpa-uk/

Archived for easy acess.

archive.ph/J8uAf

Aspanielstolemysanity · 18/07/2025 07:36

sualipa · 18/07/2025 07:34

As I'm heading to Latitude next Thursday, I’d been hoping to catch the Saltlines/Gigspanner show. The tour performances have evolved into a presentation of their latest album, with audiences being offered refunds though very few have taken up that option.

At this point, it's still uncertain whether the revamped show will go ahead at the festival, but I really hope it does!

www.gigspanner.com/live/2025/07/27/saltlines-the-gigspanner-big-band-with-raynor-winn-14

I can't understand why Latitude wouldn't just agree?
It seems completely reasonable for them to perform different material instead.
I'd be gutted for the band if they can't perform

sualipa · 18/07/2025 07:43

Aspanielstolemysanity · 18/07/2025 07:36

I can't understand why Latitude wouldn't just agree?
It seems completely reasonable for them to perform different material instead.
I'd be gutted for the band if they can't perform

I know I'm not a big fan of the now much smaller theatre tent either. It feels like a sign of the times, likely a result of cost-cutting from Melvin Benn/Festival Republic.

From Latitude’s perspective, this might be seen as a convenient opportunity to reduce costs at the last minute. The theatre tent often faces technical issues and delays, given the wide range of acts it hosts from solo performances to full circus shows.

In that light, a break imposed from outside might even be somewhat welcome. But still, this isn’t what Latitude originally booked. It was supposed to be Raynor Winn and Saltlines and that’s no longer on the table. After all, for a significant period while tickets were on sale, they were listed on the bill so it’s likely some people were persuaded to buy tickets based on that.

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exasperatedflatmate · 18/07/2025 07:44

Gosh I hope Gigspanner can perform. Properly talented musicians caught in a storm not of their making. If all those readers and filmmakers were fooled they can’t be blamed for doing the same.
those musicians have actual pedigree, and shame on Latitude if they drop them because a disgraced celeb author won’t be with them

ChirpySnail · 18/07/2025 07:46

I’ve been wondering, given the dates, if the siphoned money from the Hemmings was being used to buy / renovate the property in France. RW bought the French property in 2007 I think? ( one article says it’s bought in Moths name) and in 2008 the accounting irregularities come to light.
Its interesting to note prior to working with the Hemmings RW had been a bookkeeper at a hotel, but had lost her job.

it’s very common, isn’t it, when you are the victim of fraud, either as an individual or a business to feel extremely embarrassed, and to be desperate to keep quiet about it.

sualipa · 18/07/2025 07:51

exasperatedflatmate · 18/07/2025 07:44

Gosh I hope Gigspanner can perform. Properly talented musicians caught in a storm not of their making. If all those readers and filmmakers were fooled they can’t be blamed for doing the same.
those musicians have actual pedigree, and shame on Latitude if they drop them because a disgraced celeb author won’t be with them

I really want to see them now and with the perfect opportunity coming up, I truly hope it happens. That said, they don’t seem too receptive to light-hearted comments from fans on their Facebook page.

Thread 8: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
SereneLilac · 18/07/2025 07:51

Bruisername · 18/07/2025 07:32

Also, if mistakes were being made which almost made me hemmings bankrupt - wouldn’t your natural reaction be to fix things as much as possible?

I note that it’s mentioned that he wasn’t very good at billing people though and in the interests of fairness that would have contributed to problems due to less coming in (and then more going out unexpectedly would lead to a crunch). If SW had any bookkeeping skills she should have realised she was going to get caught

Ros said she thought the reason for there being no money was that he was rubbish at billing. But he noticed at the end of the first year there was a problem so I would imagine he then started doublechecking that sort of thing. You would, wouldn't you? The fact she got away with it for so long suggests she was very clever about it.

AlertCat · 18/07/2025 07:56

SereneLilac · 18/07/2025 07:51

Ros said she thought the reason for there being no money was that he was rubbish at billing. But he noticed at the end of the first year there was a problem so I would imagine he then started doublechecking that sort of thing. You would, wouldn't you? The fact she got away with it for so long suggests she was very clever about it.

So she started there in 2001 and was caught stealing in 2008? £64000 over seven years is £9000 a year, I imagine it would have been taken as a few hundred most months, and in a business like an estate agent with a large turnover, it could have been hidden quite easily.

Bruisername · 18/07/2025 07:57

SereneLilac · 18/07/2025 07:51

Ros said she thought the reason for there being no money was that he was rubbish at billing. But he noticed at the end of the first year there was a problem so I would imagine he then started doublechecking that sort of thing. You would, wouldn't you? The fact she got away with it for so long suggests she was very clever about it.

She probably wasn’t even that clever about it because they trusted her and that’s what makes the crime worse

it sounds like once they realised something was wrong it was reasonably easy to identify her thefts although they may well have missed some

interesting they don’t have any of the documentation (not surprising given passage of time and Mr Hemmings no longer being with us) - no doubt that will be used against them and it’s a shame their lawyer didn’t keep a copy!!

Smike · 18/07/2025 08:03

I hadn’t read that interview linked by @Catwith69lives before. Interesting that SW says she struggled to write TWS, abandoned it for ages, and started again from scratch only four months before her deadline. It absolutely reads like arbitrarily assembled reminiscences of walks from their youth, the cider farm and the Iceland walk, trying to hit the same strain as TSP. (Didn’t someone also suggest several threads back that the walk in Iceland, judging by RW’s SM, happened at a different time?)

When the interviewer suggests they rebrand the cider Salt Path cider and make a killing, she says ‘But it might taste awful’. It might, but that’s not going to depend on the name! It’s a slightly odd thing to say about a product you’ve supposedly been hired to make. This piece appeared in mid-September 2020, but says they’re only going to be making their first batch of cider that year, although if my dating is tight, they signed the tenancy in autumn 2018, and moved in during spring 2019. No apple harvest in 2019?

SereneLilac · 18/07/2025 08:03

She probably wasn’t even that clever about it because they trusted her and that’s what makes the crime worse

That seems to have been her MO all along, gaining people's trust. Horrible.

Nameychangington · 18/07/2025 08:06

In the days of paper ledgers, cheques and cash, it was extremely easy for bookkeepers to steal from their employers. My DM was a bookkeeper (an honest one!) and came across several who did so in her career. She was forensic, she balanced the books to the last penny even when employers weren't bothered to be so precise, so she caught a caught a couple of cheating colleagues in her time.

I don't believe any of them were ever charged or convicted - you can see how a company would rather get rid of the person rather than having the publicity of clients and competitors knowing you'd been cheated and probably never seeing the money back anyway. People think financial crime is victimless but it's not, look at the effects it had on Mr Hemmings. It took away his faith in people and it made him feel ashamed and embarrassed when he was the victim.

FlyAgaricc · 18/07/2025 08:08

At the end of yesterday's Observer video on YouTube, The Salt Path Controversy: Behind the Scenes, Chloe refers to the disclaimer in TSP:
"In some editions theres a very categorical statement, a long disclaimer but someone told me this is quite unusual"
Here is the disclaimer from the online TedKArchive version:
"This book is a work of non-fiction based on the life of the author. In some limited cases, the names of people or detail of places or events have been changed to protect the privacy of others. The author has stated to the publishers that, except in such respects, the contents of this book are true. Any medical information in this book is based on the author’s personal experience and should not be relied on as a substitute for professional advice. The author and publishers disclaim, as far as the law allows, any liability arising directly or indirectly from the use, or misuse, of any information contained in this book."
Does this hint at some complicity on Penguin's part? It would be interesting to compare disclaimers in different editions of TSP and also compare with those in similar books.

Bruisername · 18/07/2025 08:12

So penguin claim they got her to sign a contract saying she was truthful and the book had a legal read

the lawyer must be rubbish not to have said ‘yeah nothing actionable but all that stuff about losing the house sounds a load of bollocks’

Smike · 18/07/2025 08:18

FlyAgaricc · 18/07/2025 08:08

At the end of yesterday's Observer video on YouTube, The Salt Path Controversy: Behind the Scenes, Chloe refers to the disclaimer in TSP:
"In some editions theres a very categorical statement, a long disclaimer but someone told me this is quite unusual"
Here is the disclaimer from the online TedKArchive version:
"This book is a work of non-fiction based on the life of the author. In some limited cases, the names of people or detail of places or events have been changed to protect the privacy of others. The author has stated to the publishers that, except in such respects, the contents of this book are true. Any medical information in this book is based on the author’s personal experience and should not be relied on as a substitute for professional advice. The author and publishers disclaim, as far as the law allows, any liability arising directly or indirectly from the use, or misuse, of any information contained in this book."
Does this hint at some complicity on Penguin's part? It would be interesting to compare disclaimers in different editions of TSP and also compare with those in similar books.

That disclaimer is also in my Kindle version of TSP, but you’d expect that.

But if people have hard copies, especially hardbacks or early paperbacks, it would be interesting to see if that disclaimer has always appeared in that form, or was altered in subsequent editions.

I mean, disclaimers are standard, but the wording of that is unusual, to my eyes

Catwith69lives · 18/07/2025 08:24

FlyAgaricc · 18/07/2025 08:08

At the end of yesterday's Observer video on YouTube, The Salt Path Controversy: Behind the Scenes, Chloe refers to the disclaimer in TSP:
"In some editions theres a very categorical statement, a long disclaimer but someone told me this is quite unusual"
Here is the disclaimer from the online TedKArchive version:
"This book is a work of non-fiction based on the life of the author. In some limited cases, the names of people or detail of places or events have been changed to protect the privacy of others. The author has stated to the publishers that, except in such respects, the contents of this book are true. Any medical information in this book is based on the author’s personal experience and should not be relied on as a substitute for professional advice. The author and publishers disclaim, as far as the law allows, any liability arising directly or indirectly from the use, or misuse, of any information contained in this book."
Does this hint at some complicity on Penguin's part? It would be interesting to compare disclaimers in different editions of TSP and also compare with those in similar books.

There is no similar disclaimer in LL or in any other Penguin travelogue that I've got (ie Nicholas Crane's- 2 Degrees West).

Other publisher's of travelogues (ie Picador who published The Crossway by Guy Stagg recently) also don't include such disclaimers.

Choux · 18/07/2025 08:24

Am glad Ros has got the support of her daughter while she does these interviews and deals with the publicity speaking out has brought although I imagine the Hemmings were already very well liked in their local community. I hope Ros continues to be shown lots of genuine #humankindness 😉

This interview doesn’t really add too much to the story. A few more details but it’s essentially a retelling of what the Observer posted. It does however:
1 ) get the detailed story of what happened at Hemmings to a wider audience by being on the BBC website rather than a single Sunday newspaper and
2 ) show that the story stands up enough to get through BBC lawyers checks in order to be published.

So it’s almost two weeks since the original Observer story. Only one wordy but unconvincing rebuttal from RW and a statement that she was taking legal advice. Since then more stories have appeared from various quarters including the Observer so no media have pulled back. One might therefore conclude that… it’s all true. Sorry Human Kindness (tried to tag her but the account seems to have been deleted)

Edit not sure if the account is deleted. Might just be my ability to tag playing up. Did the account have a posting history before yesterday?

AzureStaffy · 18/07/2025 08:28

Choux · 18/07/2025 08:24

Am glad Ros has got the support of her daughter while she does these interviews and deals with the publicity speaking out has brought although I imagine the Hemmings were already very well liked in their local community. I hope Ros continues to be shown lots of genuine #humankindness 😉

This interview doesn’t really add too much to the story. A few more details but it’s essentially a retelling of what the Observer posted. It does however:
1 ) get the detailed story of what happened at Hemmings to a wider audience by being on the BBC website rather than a single Sunday newspaper and
2 ) show that the story stands up enough to get through BBC lawyers checks in order to be published.

So it’s almost two weeks since the original Observer story. Only one wordy but unconvincing rebuttal from RW and a statement that she was taking legal advice. Since then more stories have appeared from various quarters including the Observer so no media have pulled back. One might therefore conclude that… it’s all true. Sorry Human Kindness (tried to tag her but the account seems to have been deleted)

Edit not sure if the account is deleted. Might just be my ability to tag playing up. Did the account have a posting history before yesterday?

Edited

Hopefully Ros Hemmings and family will get some kind of catharsis from this.

Cornishwafer · 18/07/2025 08:29

I do think it's time Penguin stepped up with a clearer statement on a book which they have sold as 'unflinchingly' honest...whether that's to defend their author from 'misleading' comments or to apologise to readers who have been misled....some transparency is due in either case.

candycane222 · 18/07/2025 08:29

sualipa · 17/07/2025 20:39

This is in many ways great writing - spoiler alert - THE END

When we’d stopped laughing and turned around, Lantivet Bay was below us, and beyond that the familiar sight of Pencarrow Head. We walked painfully slowly, stopping to look around every few minutes, excited to get to the end but willing it not to come. That night, not some disconnected night in some possible future, but that night we would unpack our rucksacks and unroll our sleeping bags on an unknown floor. Over the next few weeks we would sell off most of our remaining possessions to pay for a hire van to move what little we needed to Polruan. Moth would begin a degree without any real hope of surviving to the end of it. I would look for a job and start writing. And out of thin air, out of loss and pain and fear, we would be as happy as we were when we were twenty.

When it couldn’t be delayed any longer we walked over Pencarrow Head. Our homeless trail was over. We sat on a bench overlooking Lantic Bay, our rucksacks propped together, and shared the last of a pack of wine gums. The peregrine swooped close by, following the line of the cliff down towards the bay before soaring back up and out of sight.

A figure appeared out of the gorse, wearing the same coat and hat he had a year ago, walking with the same stick.

‘She’s been back a week now. She’d gone same day you were las’ year. Knew you were comin’, told them all you were comin’, that she were bringin’ you back. It’s a sign, i’n’ it.’

He headed slowly away to the road as the sun began to drop on the horizon and the mist lifted in the hollows.

We hadn’t been afforded the luxury of time for the shockwaves from our past to play out and then – as in any good nature-redemption story – to go off into the wilderness to refind our way in life. Bad things had hit us in the face like a tidal wave and would have washed us away if we hadn’t found ourselves on the path. Our journey had drained us of every emotion, sapped our strength and our will. But then, like the windblown trees along our route, we had been re-formed by the elements into a new shape that could ride out whatever storms came over the bright new sea. I thought about the two teenagers wrapped up in the essence of each other, of a passion that had lasted for most of my life, of heavy rain and burning sun, of a peregrine soaring free on the thermals of the cliff edge, of two molecules that were held together by little more than an electrical charge, a charge that had been strong enough to form a powerful bond, but a bond that one day soon might break. At last I understood what homelessness had done for me. It had taken every material thing that I had and left me stripped bare, a blank page at the end of a partly written book. It had also given me a choice, either to leave that page blank or to keep writing the story with hope. I chose hope.

I had no idea what the future would bring, how it would be shaped by the months spent living wild on the Coast Path. All I knew was that we were lightly salted blackberries hanging in the last of the summer sun, and this perfect moment was the only one we needed.

Overwritten much?? 😂😂 Not read TSP - and can't imagine coping with more than half a page of this - is it all this purple ?!?? 😲 (I do realise as the end, it was probably the trickiest bit to write and it's probably not like this the whole way through, but gosh that is - erm - not to my taste!)

Merrymouse · 18/07/2025 08:30

Nameychangington · 18/07/2025 08:06

In the days of paper ledgers, cheques and cash, it was extremely easy for bookkeepers to steal from their employers. My DM was a bookkeeper (an honest one!) and came across several who did so in her career. She was forensic, she balanced the books to the last penny even when employers weren't bothered to be so precise, so she caught a caught a couple of cheating colleagues in her time.

I don't believe any of them were ever charged or convicted - you can see how a company would rather get rid of the person rather than having the publicity of clients and competitors knowing you'd been cheated and probably never seeing the money back anyway. People think financial crime is victimless but it's not, look at the effects it had on Mr Hemmings. It took away his faith in people and it made him feel ashamed and embarrassed when he was the victim.

You still need a paper trail to evidence transactions, and as soon as you have somebody like your mum checking the books, questions start to be raised, if for no other reason that it's so frustrating if you can't balance books to the penny!

candycane222 · 18/07/2025 08:30

(that peregrine was 100% made up, I'd put money on it. Sure they saw peregrines, but - yeah, how convenient!)

Aspanielstolemysanity · 18/07/2025 08:34

@Choux
I can tag that poster still
I don't think troll hunting is a good idea. People change names all the time . We can either engage /not engage/report their posts. But troll hunting will get the thread pulled

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