One million immigrants claiming benefits

[AnxiousApocalypse]

Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

We have plenty of resources. They just don't want to use them on the likes of you and I or to make a fairer, better society

Unfortunately the Daily Fail doesn’t “forget”. They just choose their horse - usually the one that has a reasonable chance of winning the next election which will tax the millionaires and billionaires the least - and then spout any old horseshit to make that a reality, regardless of what the country as a whole needs. The Tories are done, so now it’s gone full Reform.

That rag is a bigger traitor to the country than every lazy benefit scrounger combined.

We’ve exploited other countries, killed on a far, far greater scale than what we are experiencing back now.

Not ‘we’ve’. Men who lived in our country hundreds of years ago whose actions we had no say or control over. That is like blaming and punishing a German child for being related to member of the SS! And that was way more recent FGS.

We only settled the debt we owed for our proactive innovation in ending slavery ahead of all other countries profiteering from that gross exploitation in the last few years!

When will the history of our ancestors finally be moved on from?

I can understand it perfectly, I’m saying, Keir Starmer picked on people, who come here to work, he blatantly ignored the real issue, of those that enter the country illegally.

How about legal immigrants like my extremely hard-working husband stop having to pay NI contributions? He can't claim any public funds here, no benefits, and will never claim a pension here, so why is he funding our fucked up social system?

I am a very recent legal immigrant. Just got my ILR. I am also a high earning net contributor and my employer has paid thousands in visa fees and NHS charges, plus I have passed two tests to prove my knowledge of the UK and the English language. I am married to another immigrant and net contributor who has done the same. We have private healthcare and have not used any state services except public transport.

We never have and never will take benefits, but thanks to being dark skinned are conflated every day with illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, grooming gangs, low skilled workers and so on. Keir Starmer has put us all in a bucket with his 'island of strangers' speech. And the leaky borders make it worse for legal, highly skilled immigrants.

Anyway, we are on our way out. It's not worth it to pay 45% tax and get no NHS help at all, while being told we are draining the country.

Thank you @FieldDrop finally someone with a good understanding of history and how this has shaped the world as it is today. Put simply for those who struggle with complexity "they are here because we were there".

But in relation to this conversation they're not claiming benefits, they're not allowed.

Are you saying the people that come here to work should... Get more benefits?

@HouseofGirth

I think it’s absolutely appalling that our country treats you that way.

And this is relevant because…?

If you're talking about Afghanistan and Iraq, it'll be a while before that's forgotten.

This @BallerinaRadio 🖕is what I’m talking about, Keir Starmer picked on those migrating here to work, he deliberately shit stirred, to make them targets! I don’t know anyone who has issues with anyone coming here legally to work, they want to stop people coming here illegally on dinghies!

@Notsosure1

I completely and totally disagree.

Once people understand fully why this situation has happened it might lead to a modicum of understanding rather than all out xenophobia.

These well known paragons of truth, the Daily Fail and the Torygraph.

The anti-immigrant rhetoric is really getting tedious.

The point is if someone is in the country legally and qualifies for benefits I don't see what the issue is.

Also remember that many people on benefits work as well so maybe you should turn your attention to greedy British bosses who expect the tax payer to top up the poverty wages that they pay to make bigger profits...

@HouseofGirth yeah fuck off then!! migration figures will be -2, win for us!!11!! Who needs all the tax you pay, the experience you offer, the friendship and cultural enrichment that comes from knowing you, or your respect for our language, culture and law!

I'm so sorry. This makes me so angry I could puke.

Indeed.
I would not even use the Fail as bog roll as that would be an insult to my arsehole.

I am so tired of “shock” headlines like this designed to wind people up. How many of those “immigrants” claiming benefits are now naturalised Britons? What type of benefits are we talking about - PIPs, child benefit, pensions, something else? What type of immigrant are they, and do they have settled status (I’m presuming so if they can claim anything at all)? How long have they been here/how much have they already paid in? How many of them are or have been married to Britons and/or have British children? There’s often a lot of detail under headline data, but it wouldn’t get anyone foaming to get into that, would it?

Meanwhile homegrown toerags like the Sycamore Gap Two are a dime a dozen, thinking they can do what they like and no one cares how much taxpayers’ money they’re soaking up. It makes me sick.

Isn’t it the British goverments fault for jumping into wars that weren’t needed cough Iraq.
We brought it on ourselves, what did you think would happen when we caused these countries to be blown to the ground? and don’t deny it I come from a military family and even those who served in the military will never forgive Blair for that war that was never needed.

You say they are brought in to do work that British people won't do but these employers often only target the Poles or the Romanians so they can pay them less. They are never offered to British people. I am sure a fair few would do the work.

Thank you. It's not personal, I know. And it's very complex, because yes, there are genuine asylum seekers given the state of the world.

But I know many legal immigrants think the system penalises anyone who just wants to come here, assimilate and work. And genuine, talented international students.

The UK needs taxpayers, both immigrants and citizens. There has to be a system to incentivise them. Otherwise there is going to be a genuine flight of talent.

The Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford says: “Between 2018 and 2024, citizens of six countries – Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Albania, Syria, and Eritrea – have made up 70% of people crossing in small boats.” I can see our connection with some of these countries and the instability people are fleeing, but not Albania, Syria, Eritrea. This is just one facet of recent immigration, admittedly. We have a duty to genuine refugees but the story is a complex one. To say they all arrive and claim benefits is as false as saying we somehow owe them because of our past actions in their countries. Each position is unhelpfully facile.

But in relation to this conversation they're not claiming benefits, they're not allowed

Whos paying for housing? medical treatment? schooling? dentists?

@Theroadt

Because Europe created utter destruction on a massive scale in those countries that now seek help from us.

We took power over their resources. They live in poverty because of us. Wars happen today because we drew arbitrary lines to divide families and create boundaries.

Look at the root cause of all this.

Sadly, I agree. I'd never heard of them before was recently pointed in the direction of the Fabian society - their communist-like mission is cultural change, but slowly, slowly, by stealth - so it appears to be democratic.

It has been happening for many years and we have walked blindly into it, but there has been so much change it is now starting to be a visible success story - our culture and values are, as you say, in terminal decline. We get the politicians we deserve, therefore we reap the consequences.

How many millions of foreign nationals living in the UK do not claim benefits?