Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

Fourth item in The Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

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Keep on the path as we have done together amazingly well for six threads so far. No saltiness. Thank you.

Ray was 50.

53 - he was born in July 1960, but I know what you mean.

I want to know where the rather lovely grandfather clock went.

Sally Raynor, not Moth Tim. Gets confusing…

My hunch is that they weren't as penniless as they claimed. We already know the house loss and Tim's illness are based on alternative truths or exaggerated. So why should we believe they had an empty bank account and no belongings of value?

The penniless aspect hasn't really been scrutinised here. The book conveniently gets around it by claiming all of their savings went into legal fees. Only then do they represent themselves which is what causes them to not follow due procedure with the shining white letter of truth.

But given what we now know about the court action, is it plausible they spent all their savings on legal fees across 2 to 3 years to stop being sued? I'm not a legal expert but is it possible to stall litigation when you are being sued for a debt that is demonstrably something you signed up for?

Meanwhile, as I mentioned in a previous post, it's become evident they moved "loads of stuff" in 2015...stuff which most likely was the contents of their repossessed house.

In short, I don't buy they were penniless.

Well, that’s what I mean. It’s a very usual age for walkers.

Talking of the house, do we see anything of the infamous cupboard under the stairs in the Escape To The Country programme? And was it big enough for two people to hide from bailiffs? And was it visible from outside given Sally/Ray says the bailiffs spotted her hand as she reached out for the book in the packing box? So many questions.

Proper LOL'd about the skin coloured shorts 😂

Good question! I think there were at least two sets of stairs, weren’t there?

I just listened to RW on the Radio 3 Private Passions podcast, notable mostly for an anecdote about one of her first dates with Moth being at the Abbots Bromley Horn Dance, where he bought a pair of plastic horns, stuck them on his head and went prancing down the street waving his handkerchiefs, and the fact that she presents them leaving the cider farm as because they’d finished rewilding/restoring it, and ‘it was time to let someone else make the cider’. Very much as an inevitable consequence of them having finished the job, which doesn’t seem to be what Bill Cole thought…

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Ah good, I can post again.

They could have said, Oh, we believed the diagnosis because it came from the doctors, but with the passage of time it looks as if it must be wrong Back to the drawing board re the condition.

But the chronological flexibility revealed by their own evidence will now make that trickier to believe if they try it.

I can't see anything of the space under the stairs in the ETTC vid. TSP mentions the bailiffs "climbing on the garden bench, pushing at the kitchen skylight" which seems a bit strange as although there is a small window (locked from the inside) in the kitchen I don't see any skylight in the video.

Here's the, "Escape To The Country" episode again. There are a lot of stairs but not a lot of cupboards under stairs. To be fair, I refer to the floor length cupboard in the hallway of my flat as being the, "Cupboard under the stairs" because my modest dwelling is basically a two up, two down in layout but on one storey and technically speaking, I am next to the main stairs and lift shaft.

She could have made it seem even worse by saying, "We were hiding down the coal hole."

Attached are the estate agent particulars of the property. From the floor plans there doesn't appear to be a skylight in the kitchen!

doc04.pdf

Only I didn't see any coal hole.

Oh, were they actually inside the cupboard under the stairs? The last person I know of who wrote about someone being stuck under there was JK Rowling, who had a few moderately successful novels! Maybe SalRay thought that part was the key and she could channel the same outcome.

Yes - they could have said 'we've long questioned his atypical presentation' but they've doubled down on it.

Sally has said repeatedly that she 'can't explain it' - well, surely, you'd question the diagnosis then?!

Perhaps it CBD was once suspected and they've held onto it so tightly that it's now part of his identity, and re-written history to make it fit into a neat narrative of woe-is-us as a plot line.

There is no mention of any cupboard under the stairs in TSP. If they had been inside a cupboard, they wouldn't have been able to see the packing case with '500 mile walkies' in it. Also the estate agent particulars floor plan doesn't indicate any cupboard under the stairs.

I'm quite surprised that in all this debate about neurological conditions the initialism CBD hasn't been discussed.

See! I might be a bit of a wonky donkey but if I'm going to be read by publishing and literary types, I googled before I typed acronym.

CBD as in cannabinoid. I've only ever smoked weed once in my life and it wasn't good. Have any other wonky donkeys had success with the stuff? I've had the capsules from the chemist an' tha' but nothing happened pain wise.

Hot off the press..... Looks like there is going to be a follow up story in the Observer this Sunday!

So we crouched together under the stairs, pressed together, whispering like scared mice, like naughty children, waiting to be found...The bailiffs moved to the back of the house, banging on the windows, trying all the catches, looking for a way in. I could hear one of them climbing on to the garden bench, pushing at the kitchen skylight, shouting. It was then that I spotted the book in a packing box...I reached out my hand to lift the book from its box

Absurd

Ooh interesting 👀👀.

Yes, it's just "under the stairs" - though I'm pretty sure in the film trailer I saw it's a cupboard which might be where the confusion is coming from.

Anyone spot any stairs two people could crouch under in the tv clip?

She was in the cupboard but she could hear the bailiff climbing on her garden bench? SalRay must have hearing like a bloody lynx.

Also admittedly I don't have a kitchen skylight but always thought that they opened from the inside out. How was he pushing at it if he was outside 🤔.

The more you forensically examine the events described in TSP, the more holes appear in the story.

If you were a prosecuting barrister in a criminal case examining this evidence and cross examining TW and SW, you would be having a field day!

I await Chloe H's follow up story on Sunday with huge anticipation!