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Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 14/07/2025 14:32

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

Fourth item in The Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.
Keep on the path as we have done together amazingly well for six threads so far. No saltiness. Thank you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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placemats · 15/07/2025 17:41

It's all so very dodgy. But I get the feeling that little people don't count when it comes to this couple.

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 17:41

Debsthegardener · 15/07/2025 17:36

Is the episode of Escape to the country with their house on available anywhere?

It's linked somewhere on thread one or two or three but it's Series 12, episode 3.

It's quite unintentionally hilarious as it features the first glimpse of the, "Powder Blue Rayburn" and the couple looking at it so resemble Raymoth that you do a double take.

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 17:48

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 17:41

It's linked somewhere on thread one or two or three but it's Series 12, episode 3.

It's quite unintentionally hilarious as it features the first glimpse of the, "Powder Blue Rayburn" and the couple looking at it so resemble Raymoth that you do a double take.

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Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 17:53

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 17:48

Here you go!

She even, "Took early retirement from accountancy."

Debsthegardener · 15/07/2025 17:54

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 17:41

It's linked somewhere on thread one or two or three but it's Series 12, episode 3.

It's quite unintentionally hilarious as it features the first glimpse of the, "Powder Blue Rayburn" and the couple looking at it so resemble Raymoth that you do a double take.

Thank you! Just found it on you tube. Gosh you’re right about the couple. They’re doppelgängers

crackofdoom · 15/07/2025 17:58

Uricon2 · 15/07/2025 16:18

From what I gather, to do it properly it has to be very carefully managed and tended, like woodland does, to get an optimal number of species and habitats. I think some people use it as an excuse for not doing very much, letting it descend into a mass of brambles and getting Brownie points.

There's an old joke about a vicar walking past a chap tending his beautiful garden and saying to him "Ah, caring for God's land". Chap says "You should have seen the state of it when God was in charge".

Not really. Humans do love to tinker and interfere. A patch of brambles, messy as it might look, is heaven for eg small songbirds and butterflies. But most people like to throw enormous amounts of effort into making something look like what their idea of "wild" is. I seem to recall a story about one of the wildlife trusts desperately recruiting volunteers to clear every last globe thistle off their land when these plants are very valuable to wildlife.

For an overview of how a rewilded estate works, "Wilding" by Isabella Tree is the classic. However, they got away with not constantly chainsawing and scrub bashing by introducing "nature's landscape engineers"- cattle, pigs and ponies, who clear scrub and turn over soil, creating a mosaic of habitats.

(But even if you don't introduce livestock, the humble bunny can do a surprising amount of landscape engineering!)

Mojitoscoladas · 15/07/2025 18:03

RainbowZebraWarrior · 14/07/2025 21:16

As Marina Hyde said last week, the nation has become obsessed with 'misery lit' and that includes reality TV of all sorts including Race Across the world. It all started with BGT et al with the sob stories as others have said.

Escape to the Chateau is another great example and shows like it. It really isnt hardship or adversity at all. It's middle class performative nonsense. I've also started to notice it in my recommendations on Audible. I'm finding it harder to find things that don't just totally annoy me. It's largely regurgitated, repetitive shite. There's just too much of everything out there now. I listened to a snapshot of a book called Midnight Chicken. I thought it would be a cookery book right up my street, but no, it is navel gazing misery personified. I love Miranda Hart, but even her latest book was all about how she had hit rock bottom but then found love and what worked for her - which wasn't actually that enlightening - and a disclaimer that she was actually still struggling a lot actually.

I changed my preferences on Audlble to Nature, and still it comes up with people finding the meaning of life via rewilding (or not, as the case may be) You just can't escape it.

Nobody really knows the meaning of life, and nobody has found any miraculous cure to any awful, lifelong (and certainly not terminal) illnesses, so I hope publishers will stop churning out this utter crap. Most of which is lies anyway.

This is a brilliantly articulate post, encapsulating all I feel is ‘wrong’ with entertainment and the media today - it’s just so tiresome and I am also bored to tears with it!

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 18:05

Debsthegardener · 15/07/2025 17:54

Thank you! Just found it on you tube. Gosh you’re right about the couple. They’re doppelgängers

Wasn't just me who thought that, or even said it first. It's interesting to watch it again a week later for us OGs. So many things we didn't know about in the dim and distant past of last week.

I think we all want to gaze upon the, "Powder Blue Rayburn" with refreshed eyes.

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 18:09

User14March · 15/07/2025 17:20

I think Izzy’s book ‘How not to Dal…’ is potentially very problematic. Chloe H of Observer was trying to find a copy I saw pre article. I imagine she found one. Not many in circulation.

I think so. I saw a forum enquiry CH made as well - got shot down by others saying its not a forum for selling books.

I'd love to get my hands on a copy. It seems like a good read going by two reviews I've seen. It definitely has parallels to the RayMoth story...

...a free-spirited family with a car full of children and dreams move to the Llyn peninsular; a businessman who scans property markets and makes a fortune in London; past decisions that start to impact their lives, a signature that has two very different outcomes; divisions within Wales and divisions between urban and rural, poverty and wealth; the fierce elements driving them from a patch of land that should never have been theirs; and an investment that future is based on goes painfully wrong.

An excerpt:
"She wasnt supposed to be this person, she was a pure soul, transparent, simple. How did the grime creep in and destroy the heart of her? Picking her apart cell by cell. Truth, freedom, self-respect, a birthright squandered for a dream, for love. She strains every sinew to prevent herself uploading into the void shes become."

Is this a response to her embezzlement perhaps?

Uricon2 · 15/07/2025 18:11

crackofdoom · 15/07/2025 17:58

Not really. Humans do love to tinker and interfere. A patch of brambles, messy as it might look, is heaven for eg small songbirds and butterflies. But most people like to throw enormous amounts of effort into making something look like what their idea of "wild" is. I seem to recall a story about one of the wildlife trusts desperately recruiting volunteers to clear every last globe thistle off their land when these plants are very valuable to wildlife.

For an overview of how a rewilded estate works, "Wilding" by Isabella Tree is the classic. However, they got away with not constantly chainsawing and scrub bashing by introducing "nature's landscape engineers"- cattle, pigs and ponies, who clear scrub and turn over soil, creating a mosaic of habitats.

(But even if you don't introduce livestock, the humble bunny can do a surprising amount of landscape engineering!)

Yes about Knepp and the introduction of the animals. I do think it needs a bit more thought than what seems to have happened on the Village Du Dropt property, because that house/ruin in going to get utterly swamped and it seems a pity. The nonsense about "saving it from developers" is even more hollow when it is clearly being allowed to fall down by itself.

derxa · 15/07/2025 18:14

Knepp is a vast estate which makes money through conventional agriculture.

placemats · 15/07/2025 18:19

Misery is other people's joy. I see it happening a lot.

User14March · 15/07/2025 18:20

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 18:09

I think so. I saw a forum enquiry CH made as well - got shot down by others saying its not a forum for selling books.

I'd love to get my hands on a copy. It seems like a good read going by two reviews I've seen. It definitely has parallels to the RayMoth story...

...a free-spirited family with a car full of children and dreams move to the Llyn peninsular; a businessman who scans property markets and makes a fortune in London; past decisions that start to impact their lives, a signature that has two very different outcomes; divisions within Wales and divisions between urban and rural, poverty and wealth; the fierce elements driving them from a patch of land that should never have been theirs; and an investment that future is based on goes painfully wrong.

An excerpt:
"She wasnt supposed to be this person, she was a pure soul, transparent, simple. How did the grime creep in and destroy the heart of her? Picking her apart cell by cell. Truth, freedom, self-respect, a birthright squandered for a dream, for love. She strains every sinew to prevent herself uploading into the void shes become."

Is this a response to her embezzlement perhaps?

Did she do it all for him, ‘for love’? That’s a very interesting excerpt.

DiamondThrone · 15/07/2025 18:21

placemats · 15/07/2025 17:41

It's all so very dodgy. But I get the feeling that little people don't count when it comes to this couple.

Of course they don't. The little people are not speshul, they live in horrid cities, not needing wide open spaces and money that they actually earn.

User14March · 15/07/2025 18:21

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 17:53

She even, "Took early retirement from accountancy."

Which house is theirs?

Uricon2 · 15/07/2025 18:22

Thanks to this thread I've got "Powder Blue Rayburn" going through my head to the tune of "Little Red Corvette"

It. Lost. I'm not going to link the Prince track in case some of you can yet be saved.

OpenThatWindow · 15/07/2025 18:26

placemats · 15/07/2025 17:41

It's all so very dodgy. But I get the feeling that little people don't count when it comes to this couple.

Also, rich people.

They have zero respect from RayMoth.

User14March · 15/07/2025 18:27

OpenThatWindow · 15/07/2025 18:26

Also, rich people.

They have zero respect from RayMoth.

And yet they are now, rich…

placemats · 15/07/2025 18:30

OpenThatWindow · 15/07/2025 18:26

Also, rich people.

They have zero respect from RayMoth.

They have the thought that they are intellectually superior.

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 18:32

User14March · 15/07/2025 18:27

And yet they are now, rich…

Ah but they deserve to be rich. Other rich people like stupid old bull the investment banker did it though conning old ladies

oh wait…

Aspanielstolemysanity · 15/07/2025 18:35

Uricon2 · 15/07/2025 18:22

Thanks to this thread I've got "Powder Blue Rayburn" going through my head to the tune of "Little Red Corvette"

It. Lost. I'm not going to link the Prince track in case some of you can yet be saved.

My brain plays to to "pink pony club" Grin (doesn't quite fit but my brain doesn't care!)

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 18:36

User14March · 15/07/2025 18:21

Which house is theirs?

The first one. The one storey whitewashed farmhouse with allegedly, "Powder Blue Rayburn" at 8mins 58 seconds. Although, and it might be the quality of my cheapy phone screen or the dim lighting it looks more kind of RAF blue to me.

I like periwinkle blue myself. For a caravan.

Animaladina · 15/07/2025 18:37

DisappointedReader · 15/07/2025 16:59

The renewed talk of 'Cooper' has for some reason brought me back to the Walkerwinnwyn's Gangani Publishing, the How not to Dal dy Dir book of 2012 by Izzy Wyn-Thomas, the bios on the website and the plot of the book. I have a feeling the book would make interesting reading for the whole Walkergate scandal, including 'Cooper'. In the book he is possibly Jeremy, a childhood friend and property developer. It even has a dead sheep. I know there is an archived link elsewhere on the threads to the removed Gangani website with the bios and more on Jeremy if anyone has the time to look.

There is a copy of the book on eBay but it was flagged as out of stock in May 2025, making me wonder whether it was bought by The Observer or as part of the crisis management clean up process by the Walkerwinnwyns and others connected to TSP book and film.

A review of the book on the Accidental Smallholder's forum where 'Gangani' posted to drum up business for the book and house raffle:
'I felt so sorry for the main character and her adversary reminded me why I moved to the country'

Gangani on the forum claims:
'There's a second book that should be released January/ February next year, it takes the story a step further - 3 Mountains and a Ceilidh - it looks back and forwards in a cross-country romp through the UK. I'll let you know when it's released.'

I keep seeing it being said in interviews and written that 'they lost their farm ' 'we lost our farm' and I wondered what they were farming and on how much land. It seems to have been a smallholding with one sheep, one hen and some fruit trees. 'Acres of fresh air' are mentioned but where were those acres? I don't think the house and barn came with much land when it was sold? Again from Gangani on the Accidental Smallholders forum:
'My friends have an organic smallholding with a jacob sheep and a bantam hen, loads of fruit trees, a 3 bedroom barn conversion, beautiful garden and acres of fresh air. Due to ill health they have to let it go - just when the housing market has collapsed and no-one is buying. I'm a publisher with a fantastic book to market, so I said I'd help them out and we've put the 2 together and we're giving the smallholding away to one of the purchasers of the book.'

On another thread 'Gangani' advises a newcomer not to read the book as it might put them off the area.

'Gangani' pretending to be a friend of Raymoth but in all likelihood Raymoth.

Hello from Wales - The Accidental Smallholder

The farmhouse was advertised with 1,5 acres of land (including a paddock).

Source: Escape to the country 12 x 3 Wales

I captured the land they were “farming” and the famous powder blue Rayburn 😂

Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Uricon2 · 15/07/2025 18:40

Thanks @Animaladina , brilliant.

What were they farming, moles?

WiddlinDiddlin · 15/07/2025 18:46

Yeah unless they were renting more land from a neighbour, that isn't enough to farm. Perhaps if you were growing intensive small crops, like it was filled with polytunnels of microgreens, but otherwise... nah.

It also looks like any maintainance done on it was done by a handful of sheep.

Escape to the Country are crackers suggesting it is enough to keep horses on, its barely enough for one and unless that one is a hardy welsh pony that grass wouldn't sustain the poor beast and horses shouldn't be alone!

I digress - HOW bizarre is it that those two frankly make a better RayMoth than GA and JI do!

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