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Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 14/07/2025 14:32

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

Fourth item in The Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.
Keep on the path as we have done together amazingly well for six threads so far. No saltiness. Thank you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 00:31

DisappointedReader · 14/07/2025 23:56

It depends when she applied. It could have predated the Hemmings' initial discovery I suppose.

Ah yes. I thought you were meaning she got the credit cards specifically in order to repay the money rather than already having them. Could explain how she got the money. Or perhaps had a stash of embezzled cash at home?

ThatFluentHedgehog · 15/07/2025 01:03

Merrymouse · 14/07/2025 17:41

It's kickstarter funded:

"The beautiful Saltlines Journal is nearly ready - we've captured the wonder of the Saltlines show and transformed it into this utterly beautiful journal. It holds all the prose and lyrics from the show, alongside reflections from the band - and me! More than that it carries a stunning array of photographs from both the show and backstage.

But we now need your help to bring it to life! This is your opportunity to help bring the Journal to the shelves - by either, simply buying a book, or a Saltlines bundle, or taking the opportunity to grab a full backstage pass, which will give you access to a pre-show soundcheck.

All the information is here - ://www.kickstarter.com/projects/saltlinesajournal/saltlines-a-journal"

🤢

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 07:05

crackofdoom · 14/07/2025 23:13

He's wrong though....

"The Salt Path was filmed in several locations along the South West Coast Path, including Minehead, Porlock Weir, Valley of Rocks, Clovelly, Hartland Quay, Padstow, Newquay, Holywell Bay, Port Quin, and Rame Head. Filming also took place in Chepstow and Aust, and at East Head at West Wittering. ([Classic Cottages]"

(Courtesy of Google)

They filmed the flooded tent incident at Holywell Bay rather than Portheras, which had me quietly tsking to myself in my cinema seat.

Edited

🤣 so the blog is untrustworthy too!!!

narniabusiness · 15/07/2025 07:20

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 00:31

Ah yes. I thought you were meaning she got the credit cards specifically in order to repay the money rather than already having them. Could explain how she got the money. Or perhaps had a stash of embezzled cash at home?

I thought it was most likely that the credit card story was cover for why they needed a loan when the actual reason was to repay the Hemmings. I could be getting my timelines mixed up though. There’s so much info it’s getting confusing.

Choux · 15/07/2025 07:35

If you are going to your uncle for a £100k loan it looks much better to say ‘Sally has a shopping addiction and has taken out 4 credit cards in my name with massive interest accruing so we need to clear them asap’ than to say ‘Sally has been stealing from her employer and they have uncovered it. We need £100k to pay them back and get lawyers to sort a NDA to stop the police from prosecuting her’.

They were more likely to get the loan from him if Sally just appeared foolish rather than a criminal. I bet they also told him it was a short term loan at 18% as they would remortgage the house to pay him back so they could then pay off the debt over time at whatever % their mortgage was. Except the house was already heavily mortgaged…

Catwith69lives · 15/07/2025 07:46

I guess nobody knows at this stage what the future holds for SW and TW. But, if she hunkers down for a year or so until the current media tsunami passes, issues some sort of mea culpa and rewrites parts of her next book, On Winter Hill, can she rebrand herself as a Robert Macfarlane/Guy Shrubsole (Trespass) sort of author, mixing walking with reflections on social issues (homelessness, the right to roam, climate change, man's impact on the landscape etc etc)? Moth doesn't figure so prominently in her next book, so maybe her narrative is already shifting:

Her journey becomes a meditation on our connection to the land and its power to help us remember, rebuild, and reclaim what is lost.

Or is the consensus here on MN that the current revelations (as well as any more that may surface in the future) are so damaging that her literary goose is basically cooked?

Merrymouse · 15/07/2025 08:03

Catwith69lives · 15/07/2025 07:46

I guess nobody knows at this stage what the future holds for SW and TW. But, if she hunkers down for a year or so until the current media tsunami passes, issues some sort of mea culpa and rewrites parts of her next book, On Winter Hill, can she rebrand herself as a Robert Macfarlane/Guy Shrubsole (Trespass) sort of author, mixing walking with reflections on social issues (homelessness, the right to roam, climate change, man's impact on the landscape etc etc)? Moth doesn't figure so prominently in her next book, so maybe her narrative is already shifting:

Her journey becomes a meditation on our connection to the land and its power to help us remember, rebuild, and reclaim what is lost.

Or is the consensus here on MN that the current revelations (as well as any more that may surface in the future) are so damaging that her literary goose is basically cooked?

Edited

I think that is a question for her more sympathetic readers, and it depends how many there are.

She can certainly write more books, but the marketing would need to change.

85reasons · 15/07/2025 08:07

Nothing about the loan / charge against their house really makes sense if they had a mortgage on the house too - it would have had to be a secondary charge and I think the first charge lenders would have to approve any second charge - and if there was already a mortgage this would be seen as very high risk lending for the second charge lenders.

It is all such insane high risk behaviour. I mean, I'm not the best with money but to get into that territory in mid-life is catastrophe territory, and it's extraordinary that they have never seemed to really own any of this, because no matter how you get there, you'll have had to have made some pretty bad life choices. In SW case, this seems to be because of stealing - which ranks fairly near the top of such a list. But even if it had been for less nefarious reasons, you think there'd be SOME mea culpa from them.

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 08:08

This will follow her now but there’s enough people willing to turn a blind eye to her criminality and lying as far as I can see

i do think she needs to be careful though as the more she protests her innocence the more likely more worms are going to come out the woodwork

crackofdoom · 15/07/2025 08:25

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 07:05

🤣 so the blog is untrustworthy too!!!

Well it's just a blog from some totally random bloke, moaning about the volume of the adverts at the cinema.

FlyAgaricc · 15/07/2025 08:28

'Upcoming' interview about the Salt Path film, not sure if it's been mentioned. Sally comes across as friendly and enthusiastic (or tries), and fixes the interviewers gaze mostly, stroking her hair when mentioning Moth, then breaks the gaze and looks at the ground when she says "Moth got his diagnosis." (2.18)

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AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 15/07/2025 08:28

Merrymouse · 15/07/2025 08:03

I think that is a question for her more sympathetic readers, and it depends how many there are.

She can certainly write more books, but the marketing would need to change.

I can't see how she would be able to do any publicity for another book without any half decent interviewer wanting to talk about at least some of the embezzlement/fraudulent loans/if Moth actually had a CBD diagnosis/the French house/Simon Armitage.

It would be a PR car crash.

Choux · 15/07/2025 08:34

KeepTalkingBeth · 14/07/2025 17:09

So they remortgaged the Welsh house in order to buy the French "ruin" that it seems was never inhabitable. But we've also been told that the Welsh house had a mortgage of £230,000 against it by the time they lost it. Surely the French house and land were never worth £230k. Why would they get such a big mortgage? If they only needed a fraction of that to buy the French ruin, what did they want the rest of the money for? What did they spend it on?

A couple of people yesterday mentioned that Sally and Tim might have been trying to keep up with Tim’s brother who now lives in France. I won’t put his name or the links here (yet) as am not sure where Mumsnet stands on publishing publicly available info here surrounding people other than Sally and Tim themselves but…

The brother has been renovating his chateau since 2006.

He is the one who wrote a 2012 novel. He also has a blog which was active over summer 2013 detailing some of the renovations. I haven’t read it fully yet but one bit that caught my eye is “I like to use the traditional methods when working on old buildings. I remember my Dad telling me that when his Dad first saw plasterboards being used on a job, he solemnly shook his head as a master plasterer and said that they would never catch on.” So Tim Walker’s grandfather was a master plasterer - is Moth also a master plasterer or was that fact just borrowed?

There is an article in the French local press about brother and family’s renovation progress dated July 2013 - around the time the Walkers were losing their home. The article talks about wanting to create a chambre d’hotes business there. Remember Tim and Sally had a holiday let at their much smaller house in Wales.

The chateau is large enough for Tim’s nephew who is an artist to have a studio there. He has a blog too. And Tim’s brother was in 2017 linking to his Soundcloud where you can listen to songs he has written.

So the wider Walker family seem to be very creative - writing, composing, painting. Tim / Moth also dresses with a creative flair. I wonder if actually he is the creative one and author of the books but they have chosen to have Raynor as their voice as a female writer works better? There have been a lot of comments that she repeats anecdotes directly from the book, adds nothing extra. Why is that? The few times he has been on screen plus reports from people who have met him he comes across well. Her being the front woman also allows Tim to more easily hide the lack of progression of his illness.

TLDR: The wider Walker family seem to be very creative - writing, composing, painting. (Sally and Tim’s daughter is also a tattoo artist.) Is Sally really the author of TSP etc or is it Tim?

Aspanielstolemysanity · 15/07/2025 08:38

FlyAgaricc · 15/07/2025 08:28

'Upcoming' interview about the Salt Path film, not sure if it's been mentioned. Sally comes across as friendly and enthusiastic (or tries), and fixes the interviewers gaze mostly, stroking her hair when mentioning Moth, then breaks the gaze and looks at the ground when she says "Moth got his diagnosis." (2.18)

Loving the first few seconds of this video! "It's almost impossible to believe isn't it?!" Grin

I too think it's notable how she looks down and looks flustered when she mentions his diagnosis.

CheerybleBrothers · 15/07/2025 08:40

It sits rather at odds with Sally’s claim that she spoke to no one, and no one even knew her face at all after a year in Polruan, far less why they were there. She has a scene where the woman in the local shop asks her, after a year, if they live here now, and she runs off.

The blog saying the ‘penniless’ , ‘down on their luck’ Walkers ‘were welcomed to our village and given shelter in the Old Wesleyan Chapel’ does also rather suggest that they were a charity project, whereas in both TSP and TWS, Raynor is careful to specify they pay ‘Anna’ rent. And that the favour she does them is to let them rent the flat with a crappy credit rating, not that she lets them live there for free. The blog is also (presumably) wrong about them only being halfway through the SWCP when they settle in Polruan, but that’s understandable, as presumably it wouldn’t have been widely known they’d already done the other half.

Catwith69lives · 15/07/2025 08:56

85reasons · 15/07/2025 08:07

Nothing about the loan / charge against their house really makes sense if they had a mortgage on the house too - it would have had to be a secondary charge and I think the first charge lenders would have to approve any second charge - and if there was already a mortgage this would be seen as very high risk lending for the second charge lenders.

It is all such insane high risk behaviour. I mean, I'm not the best with money but to get into that territory in mid-life is catastrophe territory, and it's extraordinary that they have never seemed to really own any of this, because no matter how you get there, you'll have had to have made some pretty bad life choices. In SW case, this seems to be because of stealing - which ranks fairly near the top of such a list. But even if it had been for less nefarious reasons, you think there'd be SOME mea culpa from them.

I agree but I seem to remember that in 2007 (when they purchased the property in France), the property market in the UK (Northern Rock/RBS etc) was pretty frothy and prices subsequently fell 30%. This could explain the mismatch between what the Walkers thought they could get for the property in 2010 (£435K) and what it ended getting sold for in 2016 (£280k) after it was repossessed in 2013. People (and lenders) were taking big risks with property in 2007.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 15/07/2025 08:59

@Aspanielstolemysanity Loving the first few seconds of this video! "It's almost impossible to believe isn't it?!"

And she said it with a straight face too!

Aspanielstolemysanity · 15/07/2025 09:01

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 15/07/2025 08:59

@Aspanielstolemysanity Loving the first few seconds of this video! "It's almost impossible to believe isn't it?!"

And she said it with a straight face too!

If I new how to turn it into a GIF I would Grin

SwetSwetSwet · 15/07/2025 09:02

The Mail has another story today, this time about the house in France. I don't think it's been linked to yet.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14904933/French-property-Salt-Path.html

Catwith69lives · 15/07/2025 09:04

Choux · 15/07/2025 08:34

A couple of people yesterday mentioned that Sally and Tim might have been trying to keep up with Tim’s brother who now lives in France. I won’t put his name or the links here (yet) as am not sure where Mumsnet stands on publishing publicly available info here surrounding people other than Sally and Tim themselves but…

The brother has been renovating his chateau since 2006.

He is the one who wrote a 2012 novel. He also has a blog which was active over summer 2013 detailing some of the renovations. I haven’t read it fully yet but one bit that caught my eye is “I like to use the traditional methods when working on old buildings. I remember my Dad telling me that when his Dad first saw plasterboards being used on a job, he solemnly shook his head as a master plasterer and said that they would never catch on.” So Tim Walker’s grandfather was a master plasterer - is Moth also a master plasterer or was that fact just borrowed?

There is an article in the French local press about brother and family’s renovation progress dated July 2013 - around the time the Walkers were losing their home. The article talks about wanting to create a chambre d’hotes business there. Remember Tim and Sally had a holiday let at their much smaller house in Wales.

The chateau is large enough for Tim’s nephew who is an artist to have a studio there. He has a blog too. And Tim’s brother was in 2017 linking to his Soundcloud where you can listen to songs he has written.

So the wider Walker family seem to be very creative - writing, composing, painting. Tim / Moth also dresses with a creative flair. I wonder if actually he is the creative one and author of the books but they have chosen to have Raynor as their voice as a female writer works better? There have been a lot of comments that she repeats anecdotes directly from the book, adds nothing extra. Why is that? The few times he has been on screen plus reports from people who have met him he comes across well. Her being the front woman also allows Tim to more easily hide the lack of progression of his illness.

TLDR: The wider Walker family seem to be very creative - writing, composing, painting. (Sally and Tim’s daughter is also a tattoo artist.) Is Sally really the author of TSP etc or is it Tim?

Edited

I think its a bit of stretch to think that Tim wrote the books. He doesn't even accompany SW on her next walk, On Winter Hill. On other threads I've seen comments that he struggles to sign his signature, therefore maybe suffers with hand co-ordination/tremors - not conducive to writing/typing long books.

Speagle · 15/07/2025 09:08

Just off to take my copy of TSP to a charity shop, it gives me great satisfaction to get rid of it. I loved reading it last year and enjoyed the film but feel scammed and don't want anything to remind me of the horrible pair in my house, mutter, mutter....

CheerybleBrothers · 15/07/2025 09:08

Catwith69lives · 15/07/2025 07:46

I guess nobody knows at this stage what the future holds for SW and TW. But, if she hunkers down for a year or so until the current media tsunami passes, issues some sort of mea culpa and rewrites parts of her next book, On Winter Hill, can she rebrand herself as a Robert Macfarlane/Guy Shrubsole (Trespass) sort of author, mixing walking with reflections on social issues (homelessness, the right to roam, climate change, man's impact on the landscape etc etc)? Moth doesn't figure so prominently in her next book, so maybe her narrative is already shifting:

Her journey becomes a meditation on our connection to the land and its power to help us remember, rebuild, and reclaim what is lost.

Or is the consensus here on MN that the current revelations (as well as any more that may surface in the future) are so damaging that her literary goose is basically cooked?

Edited

But what you describe (nature author where walks are mixed with meditations on social issues) is very much where her brand sits now. It was only TSP that had the gripping ‘hook’ of the sudden homelessness plus Tim’s diagnosis spurring the walk (during which, depending on one’s perspective, they are either genuinely homeless or sort of cosplaying homelessness).

TWS is a much more ‘difficult second album’ book, in which Tim’s worsening health after the end of the walk is cobbled together with her mother’s death, meditations on her childhood, the offer to rewild the cider farm (which is also supposed to rewild Tim), and, completely arbitrarily, the walk in Iceland.

Landlines, which I haven’t finished, is even odder. Life on the cider farm hasn’t worked for Tim’s health, he struggles to do a local two mile walk and falls in the orchard, so Sally starts leaving out guides to the brutally difficult Cape Wrath trail. When they get there, Sally’s boots are agony and they can’t access most of the path, so they walk a different one, kind of. And then keep going south on different trails, with bits of cycling and taxis, apparently because Tim doesn’t want to stop, and despite Raynor’s feet being in a bad way, she loves him too much to say ‘I’m in agony, let’s get the train home’. And bits of meditation on the right to roam, wild camping, Scottish independence and Brexit.

Assuming that Tim is definitely ill, even if the diagnosis was indefinite and retrofitted to the TSP timeline, I bet she’s sorry she was so specific about the condition. She’s now stuck with having to come up with reasons why a dangerously ill man, who at one point can’t walk two miles on roads near home, is suddenly striding along famously difficult trails in very remote areas, far from any medical intervention, when he doesn’t have to.

Merrymouse · 15/07/2025 09:13

85reasons · 15/07/2025 08:07

Nothing about the loan / charge against their house really makes sense if they had a mortgage on the house too - it would have had to be a secondary charge and I think the first charge lenders would have to approve any second charge - and if there was already a mortgage this would be seen as very high risk lending for the second charge lenders.

It is all such insane high risk behaviour. I mean, I'm not the best with money but to get into that territory in mid-life is catastrophe territory, and it's extraordinary that they have never seemed to really own any of this, because no matter how you get there, you'll have had to have made some pretty bad life choices. In SW case, this seems to be because of stealing - which ranks fairly near the top of such a list. But even if it had been for less nefarious reasons, you think there'd be SOME mea culpa from them.

I think this is the problems with marketing new books.

TSP was a ‘ an inspiring true story of hope and the healing powers of the natural world.’

However now the walk itself has been revealed to be not a brave escape from the shackles of middle aged life, but part of a pattern of irresponsible, risky behaviour that leaves real victims in its wake.

If you are Penguin, how do you sell that?

As AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta said, you aren’t going to be able to do any interviews without bringing up the revelations about the events that led to the salt path walk.

SwetSwetSwet · 15/07/2025 09:17

I think if she came back with a true story of what happened, it'd be a certain bestseller - but I don't know whether or not psychologically she has the capacity to tell the true story...

Choux · 15/07/2025 09:18

Catwith69lives · 15/07/2025 09:04

I think its a bit of stretch to think that Tim wrote the books. He doesn't even accompany SW on her next walk, On Winter Hill. On other threads I've seen comments that he struggles to sign his signature, therefore maybe suffers with hand co-ordination/tremors - not conducive to writing/typing long books.

if they aren’t actually doing the walks in full but writing a fictional book from brief trips and guidebooks Moth could write it even if in the final story he isn’t there.

Who is leaving comments that he can’t write his name and where are they leaving the comments? And if they are true how was he able to do the last gruelling walk they did?

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