Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

[MidnightPatrol]

A child has died in Liverpool as part of an outbreak of measles. 17 are currently hospitalised with it in the city, as part of a wider outbreak.

73% of children in Liverpool are vaccinated against measles - vs an England average of 84%.

A rate of 95% immunisation is required for herd immunity. No child in the UK needs to be getting measles - we can vaccinate against it.

In Liverpool, there is a risk of a widespread measles outbreak due to this low rate of immunisation - it is very infectious, so the risk to the population is significant.

If you are a parent that doesn’t get your child vaccinated, why?

Should the government not be using further incentives to encourage people to take up vaccination - are a third of Liverpudlians really against vaccinating their children?

Should non-vaccinated children be limited from accessing nursery or schools (as in other countries)?

I had the measles a week after my first birthday. My Mother said I nearly died, I was very fortunate. I would never intentionally put my children through that.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/south-east/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/05/Vaccination-and-race-religion-and-belief-A4.pdf

I like stats. They're always interesting.

You can break it down into smaller areas by editing table options.

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/data-tables/school-pupils-and-their-characteristics/2024-25?subjectId=9d3ba466-db06-4726-4f46-08dd736a5cea#filtersForm-indicators

Not mumps.

Thank you, this pretty much reflects my personal experience too.

Yes there's loads of data. It differs throughout the UK though. In England, which has higher levels of multiculturalism and immigration vaccine uptake ranges from 90% in children born to white British mothers and reduces to 61% in children born to black mothers, with all children to born to those in minority groups having much lower levels of vaccine uptake..
It's not quite a simple as tik tock videos and hippies not vaccinating their DC.
As our demographics change we are losing our herd immunity.
Uptake in Scotland is much higher overall, near the 95% needed. They have much lower levels of immigration/multiculturalism though and reduced uptake is generally down to poverty, those DC living in poverty are 10% less likely to be vaccinated.

Sorry, not read the full thread... I was born before the vaccines were widely available and had measles and German measles as a child and remember being very ill. I caught mumps in early pregnancy as a young adult, the virus affected the development of my babies brain, years later, I'm providing full on 24/7 care to a profoundly disabled adult, dual sensory impaired, under 3 months developmentally, medically fragile etc... So to those of you deciding not to vaccinate your children, that's your choice,but it may not be now that you see the consequences of your actions.

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I’m not sure why but these stats really surprise me… I supposed I just always assumed it’s white MC crunchy mums with kids called things like Tiberius and Amelia who don’t bother to vaccinate

every day is a school day…

I have a friend who is an anti vaxxer. It was covid that brought out her fanatical side but she fell out with any family members who even considered the vaccine.

I thought when we'd moved on from covid that things would have improved but she's even worse now so I've totally distanced myself especially since she claimed that the medics that worked during covid were murderers killing their patients with Etizolam during the pandemic to up the number of deaths for the government. That's when I basically cut her off.

She's one of these people who always thinks she's right despite being of fairly substandard intelligence.

You make no sense. If, by your logic, babies cannot cope with a vaccine, how in the hell do you think they’d fare catching an actual disease that vaccines protect against?

Babies have been receiving vaccines for decades with no ill effects but you’re suggesting leaving vaccinations as long as possible and therefore giving them greater opportunity to catch a disease at nursery, school, play centres etc when mixing with others is arguably the most vital for learning? When you’re arguing that their immunity is weaker.

Have you actually heard yourself? Jesus Christ.

It’ll be the fault of all those independent free-thinkers who do their own research. You know, the ones who believe any old shit the internet serves up for them.

The human race is rapidly heading down the plug hole.

I live in a wealthy part of London which is predominately white British. They have one the lowest vaccination rate in London and UK.

I could be wrong but this study look like it was related to covid and not childhood vaccinations.

This isn't surprise as minorities are more distrustful of medical professionals. Many significant medical advancements have been made possible through the contributions, experiences, and exploitation of Black people both as scientists and, historically, as subjects of unethical research.

People are allowed to have a different opinion.

That point of view is based on no evidence at all though. Opinions can be harmful if people spout them loudly enough.

Yeah, I totally agree, and equally people are allowed to think some of those opinions are illogical.

Agreed.

Exactly I had measles, German measles and mumps and was quite poorly each time. Why would anyone put their child (and others) at risk?

Yes, a very detailed one to do with the demographic of the people refusing to take responsibility for their health. Liverpool also has the highest rate of lung cancer and head and neck cancers in the country due to a high rate of smokers.

Young mums now will not have seen children with legs in splints because of polio (and those were the lucky ones), encephalitis post measles, rubella damaged babies, diphtheria, whooping cough where a baby can breathe. Also there is less meningitis and TB is reduced.
We forget these diseases were killers

Im so sorry this happened to you and your child.

Like that moron Tom Cruise, man who barely graduated high school claiming to have read all the medical studies and he had understood it better than any MD or PhD researcher - which is why he is anti vac, anti- adhd, depression, anxiety etc are all fake. What a loser.

Do these same people vaccinate/worm their dog when take it to France?

un vaccinated cats and dogs get many disgusting diseases that kill them.

same people w pets & no flea/tick/worm treatments - pets get very sick from parasites, mites, ticks, worms

So you opted for more appointments and more injections for your child who cried about being injected? Or have I misread?

Which proven lies are you referencing here?
About actual Covid, not driving as an eye test etc.