Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

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A child has died in Liverpool as part of an outbreak of measles. 17 are currently hospitalised with it in the city, as part of a wider outbreak.

73% of children in Liverpool are vaccinated against measles - vs an England average of 84%.

A rate of 95% immunisation is required for herd immunity. No child in the UK needs to be getting measles - we can vaccinate against it.

In Liverpool, there is a risk of a widespread measles outbreak due to this low rate of immunisation - it is very infectious, so the risk to the population is significant.

If you are a parent that doesn’t get your child vaccinated, why?

Should the government not be using further incentives to encourage people to take up vaccination - are a third of Liverpudlians really against vaccinating their children?

Should non-vaccinated children be limited from accessing nursery or schools (as in other countries)?

Yea and absolutely no unvaccinated children in school or nursery

I don’t understand this concern about formaldehyde at all. Formaldehyde is naturally occurring in the body as a by product of metabolism. The average adult produces approximately a shot glass amount of formaldehyde a day whereas the amount of in a vaccine is minuscule.
As always it’s the dose which is important.

Utter rubbish. The more a disease circulates, the greater the potential for mutation. If this happens then even the vaccinated won't be protected.

And those unable to have the vaccine, or who have lost immunity are left very vulnerable from having so many unvaxxed around.

Take your choice, but I'd prefer if you stayed out of our schools if you're too stupid to realise that vaccination against deadly diseases is a good idea.

If you google it there are several clinics offering it as a single vaccine 🤷‍♀️

Coincidently Andrew Wakefield also filed a patent for a single measles vaccine 9 months before his (debunked) study. What an amazing coincidence that is!

What about those who cant have it due to cancer or other health reasons? Why should they be put at risk because people want to be idiots.

Adults, of course, are free to make any decisions they like for themselves. But when it comes to their children, one could argue that failure to vaccinate could be classed as abuse, or at least neglect. And the impact on other children is not negligible either. Maybe it is time to make school enrolment conditional on full vaccination? Or maybe it will take several deaths to make idiot parents think again?

I personally think the new childcare subsidies should be contingent on being up the date with vaccinations unless medically contraindicated. Eg from 9 months you must have completed the infant course, from 18 months mmr. Works in other countries

Is there any data of the ethnicity of the children who aren't vaccinated?

It seems to be people with English as a second language missing their babies vaccination appointments in this area.

Is it so hard to understand that very few things are black or white and that in general it’s perfectly acceptable to have a “but” on what you think is ok and should be accessible? I don’t believe a lot of what we were fed about covid, nor do many others, people lost their trust in the mainstream media and in Government spokespeople during that time. Primarily because of things said by those people that have since been proven to be lies. That doesn’t make everyone a rapid anti vaxxer TikTok lunatic tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, it just means people started to question information.

Plenty of people are pro choice but with a legal limit by the way - the UK law has a “but” of the 24 week cut off apart from in exceptional circumstances. In that same way I am pro vaccinations “but” wouldn’t receive a covid jab.

The only person I know who didn’t give their child the MMR is also a nurse!

I do believe in ‘buts’ @adviceneeded1990 … but (see what I did there) so many objections seem to be based on straightforwardly wrong information, at least when it comes to vaccination.

It’s difficult to pick out the moments of reasonable doubt either tacked on to or buried within a mountain of bullshit sometimes, and that goes all ways I guess.

I had that experience too re the books! I was a primary age child in the early 80s and loved reading. My grandpa used to deal in secondhand books and used to pass on everything he thought I'd read (that was unsaleable). The diseases! A common plot line was that someone would get measles, scarlet fever, diphtheria, TB...

Yes, Hobson’s choice! You’d be hard pushed to find a private clinic offering single jabs. Some private clinics do import unlicensed single vaccines, I believe. Why not bring them under the umbrella of the NHS, or facilitate licenced single vaccine production in the UK? Like I said, they’ve been pretty much outlawed.

Yes @Needlenardlenoo… and something like the Swallows and Amazons book where they were all in quarantine for weeks because Nancy had a really nasty case of mumps. Was it Pigeon Post? Must reread those.

In what ways is she an intelligent person?

That justification of hers does not make her sound remotely intelligent.

I remember various nurses on TV during the pandemic insisting that the Covid vaccine was dodgy and that they would not be getting it "because no-one tells me what to do."

Mind-boggling.

I'd be so interested to see interviews with the parents of these children...

Do they have regrets?
do they wish they had vacinated their kids?
are they doubling down on vaccines all being a big pharma conspiracy for bill gates to put chips in us?
What is going on in their brains?

I am yet to be made aware of any campaigners who are in the "i was antivaxer but then my child died..." camp but thry must exist

I just listened to the excellent podcast on BBC sounds about the tragic death from untreated cancer of the young woman whose mother was that nurse who was always on a megaphone about Covid and now makes a living selling shitty health nonsense online. I mean, Wakefield was a genuine doctor before he was struck off. There are both misguided and wrong people in every profession.

My child had cancer and during chemotherapy had no immune system until he could be revaccinated.

It absolutely does affect some people.

Poverty rates have gone right up as these vaccination rates have gone down. I had a quick look at the research earlier and there's a clear association with deprivation.

There could well be some (let's face it, mums) who were more focused on food and housing, safety...

Maybe a well advertised catch up campaign rolled out through food banks.

Please don't jump all over me if this already exists!

Where I worked it was the children whose families originated from other countries especially Indian subcontinent and much of Africa who had the highest vaccine uptake

@BoredZelda I haven't described it - that's the point. However you not believing something doesn't make it untrue - a lesson many should heed!

I imagine sunk cost fallacy kicks in.

Where is he on tour in the US?