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When ‘tradition’ becomes a clear display of hatred

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WhereIsMyJumper · 11/07/2025 14:52

Am I being unreasonable to be aghast at the bonfires in NI? Burning the tri-colour as well as an effigy of a migrant boat. How can this be referred to as ‘tradition’??

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/firefighters-take-two-hours-to-extinguish-controversial-bonfire-topped-with-migrant-boat-and-irish-flag-in-co-tyrone/a1274789953.html

Firefighters take two hours to extinguish controversial bonfire topped with ‘migrant boat’ and Irish flag in Co Tyrone

Firefighters took almost two hours to extinguish a controversial bonfire which was lit in Co Tyrone last night.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/firefighters-take-two-hours-to-extinguish-controversial-bonfire-topped-with-migrant-boat-and-irish-flag-in-co-tyrone/a1274789953.html

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YourGentleTealPlayer · 11/07/2025 22:38

The very idea of celebrating the defeat of Catholics and burning effigies on a bonfire is so backward. Anyway, has anyone got any plans for November 5th?

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 22:39

Taytoface · 11/07/2025 22:34

So now people care. For decades these bonfires have been lit with effigies, of the pope, of Catholic people of note, of politicians calling for peace. Why all of a sudden are British people interested in this. You haven't been paying fucking attention for the last five decades or so. This is not new. It is outrageous, but it has been for decades. Why is this particular conflagration so deplorable?

I was thinking this myself.

They've been burning effigies of catholics for decades, yet no one appeared to notice.

Luddite26 · 11/07/2025 22:41

Dodeedoo · 11/07/2025 17:35

How is that not fair? I’ve said most people there are lovely and sick of the shite?? There is still an ongoing tradition that is backwards and clearly used by racists I.e loads of people who are thick!

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And playing at being the big men of the Lodge because they are nothing without it.

Martymcfly24 · 11/07/2025 22:41

Disgusting.

There's also one with Kill your local Kneecap and effigies of the band on a bonfire in South Belfast and destroy all Irish Republicans.

Hopefully Keir Starmer will also condemn this incitement to violence..

Taytoface · 11/07/2025 22:43

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 22:39

I was thinking this myself.

They've been burning effigies of catholics for decades, yet no one appeared to notice.

Exactly. Now you find your outrage?? Fine for Catholics to be burnt in effigy, not a fucking murmur about that. For DECADES. Fuck the fuck off.

powershowerforanhour · 11/07/2025 22:44

"I find it deeply ironic that Irish people should take such a dim view of immigration."

I dare you to go to Moygashel, if you can find it on a map (no shade being thrown on your map reading skills, it's a hole in the road, blink and you'll miss the fine collection of UVF flags) and refer to the people there as Irish. I'll come and watch - it'll be more interesting than the last and only time I was there.

Hankunamatata · 11/07/2025 22:54

Theu have burned all kinds of offensive crap on 12th bonfires - flags, models of the pope etc for years.
This isn't a new thing.

Look up the outrage when they decided to remove the union jack from city hall. Every fexking curbstone got painted.

YourGentleTealPlayer · 11/07/2025 22:55

Given that there are no boats landing on NI beaches I do wonder where they got the 'stop the boats' rhetoric from. Surely not from England's most successful mainstream political party.

BeamMeUpCountMeIn · 11/07/2025 22:57

It makes those men look like violent idiots.

HeyItsPickleRick · 11/07/2025 23:08

It’s grim. I’m English living in NI and it feels disrespectful and incendiary. The “decorations” are vile, too. Hideous arches, flags and signs. Bonkers.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/07/2025 23:09

Hankunamatata · 11/07/2025 22:54

Theu have burned all kinds of offensive crap on 12th bonfires - flags, models of the pope etc for years.
This isn't a new thing.

Look up the outrage when they decided to remove the union jack from city hall. Every fexking curbstone got painted.

Yes they have always burnt all types of Catholic stuff on bonfires. I'm used to that and I'd rather they burnt pictures and statues than burn people out. Thing is, racist attacks are happening. Sectarian attacks are happening. People are once again being bored out and driven from their homes.

The bonfires in Moygashel and the Village are an expression of pure hatred though. Hatred so pure they're prepared to sacrifice themselves for it by inhaling asbestos and smoke and fucking with the very people trying to help them.

Dodeedoo · 11/07/2025 23:11

Sansan18 · 11/07/2025 22:23

Hate speech , pure and simple.

Putting effigies of catholics on bonfires is hate. Putting effigies of immigrants on boats on bonfires is hate. Calling out those who do such things is not hate speech, pure and simple!

RuledbytheWashingMachine · 11/07/2025 23:11

As someone from a 'Glorious Twelfth' background, this is exactly why I stay clear. It's disgusting and as usual it's the loud mouthed minority who take over and set the tone.

Believe it or not the twelfth is supposedly a Christian event celebrating freedom from Catholicism and the control from the pope. The majority of the bands play hymns and quote Bible verses on the hand painted banners. It doesn't really add up 🤷‍♀️

BungleWasBrill · 11/07/2025 23:16

Taytoface · 11/07/2025 22:34

So now people care. For decades these bonfires have been lit with effigies, of the pope, of Catholic people of note, of politicians calling for peace. Why all of a sudden are British people interested in this. You haven't been paying fucking attention for the last five decades or so. This is not new. It is outrageous, but it has been for decades. Why is this particular conflagration so deplorable?

British people is 62 million people. We're not all the same.

If you mean the BBC and other British media outlets then you have a point. I don't think they've ever paid enough attention to the seriousness of bonfire season. Why now? Partly perhaps because it is hot on the heels of the Ballymena aggro of only a few weeks ago: media folk love it when they think they can detect a pattern!

Taytoface · 11/07/2025 23:28

BungleWasBrill · 11/07/2025 23:16

British people is 62 million people. We're not all the same.

If you mean the BBC and other British media outlets then you have a point. I don't think they've ever paid enough attention to the seriousness of bonfire season. Why now? Partly perhaps because it is hot on the heels of the Ballymena aggro of only a few weeks ago: media folk love it when they think they can detect a pattern!

No, British people aren't all
the same but en masse you don't give a shiny shit about the people of northern Ireland. Brexit was the complete proof of that. The only times British people have cared is when English people have been murdered in England and now apparently when effigies of immigrants are being burned.

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/07/2025 23:36

Taytoface · 11/07/2025 22:34

So now people care. For decades these bonfires have been lit with effigies, of the pope, of Catholic people of note, of politicians calling for peace. Why all of a sudden are British people interested in this. You haven't been paying fucking attention for the last five decades or so. This is not new. It is outrageous, but it has been for decades. Why is this particular conflagration so deplorable?

If I may, I didn’t give this context in my original post but my son is half Irish and I have tried to dedicate a lot of time to learning about his heritage.

Ive tried to educate myself on Anglo-Irish history. I’ve listened to podcasts (that were balanced I think) and watching a documentary on BBC (once upon a time in Northern Ireland) and I visited Belfast early on this year. I’m aware that none of this makes me an expert- not by any means - but after trying to understand a balanced view point of it all. I completely agree with you. I’ve always thought these marches were sectarian as fuck and could never understand why they were allowed to go ahead. I just thought that this years was topical and disgusting enough to make other people care more about them - hence posting it here.

Sending peace and love ❤️

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WhereIsMyJumper · 11/07/2025 23:38

Nt23 · 11/07/2025 22:38

I find it deeply ironic that Irish people should take such a dim view of immigration.

Be careful of your labels there…

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Whatado · 11/07/2025 23:41

Nt23 · 11/07/2025 22:38

I find it deeply ironic that Irish people should take such a dim view of immigration.

Laughed my head of at this comment on a predominantly British website with such a lack of knowledge of NI.

The people who set that bonfire would spontaneously combust if you dared to call them Irish. But yes considering the history of NI they are absolute fcking hypocritics. If it wasn't for their ancestors getting on a boat they wouldn't be in NI setting fire to anything.

Yet actually being Irish and having lived in England for years I always find it so fascinating how ill informed or particularly interested people on the other side of the water, are in British identifying residents of NI. Yet so many cling to their identity as British in NI.

The 12th has always had an acceptable level of hate and violence attached to. Maybe adding migrants to the catholic hate train might finally push for this to become completely unacceptable. But considering the mess of the assembly I doubt it.

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/07/2025 23:43

Taytoface · 11/07/2025 22:43

Exactly. Now you find your outrage?? Fine for Catholics to be burnt in effigy, not a fucking murmur about that. For DECADES. Fuck the fuck off.

I’m sorry @Taytoface - I understand that the situation in NI is a sensitive one and the last thing I wanted was to wind people up. I’m not from NI, and I won’t pretend to understand what it’s like to be from there after decades (actually, centuries) of unrest. I had my outrage a good while ago. But I have noticed that on here, and in general day to day life in the rest of the UK, most people don’t care. I guess I hoped that this would be enough to make people think about it.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 11/07/2025 23:44

BungleWasBrill · 11/07/2025 23:16

British people is 62 million people. We're not all the same.

If you mean the BBC and other British media outlets then you have a point. I don't think they've ever paid enough attention to the seriousness of bonfire season. Why now? Partly perhaps because it is hot on the heels of the Ballymena aggro of only a few weeks ago: media folk love it when they think they can detect a pattern!

The reason it's made the national news is because, this time, law has been blatantly overridden by hared and fear.

It only warranted a few seconds on BBC 6pm news. Can you imagine a scenario where any other planned yet unregulated endangerment to life would be allowed in any other part of the country?

Taytoface · 11/07/2025 23:48

@WhereIsMyJumper really thank you for that. The history of northern Ireland is complicated and really difficult and for those of us who lived through it, really bloody hard to process. There has been so much hate and brutality on all sides, that has been so ignored. These bonfires are fucking horrendous, but they always have been. I have every sympathy with people coming over on small boats. But it really jars when for literally decades it has been fine for effigies of real life Catholics to be burned, with no one raising an eyebrow. But now, a symbolic burning of people on boats is unacceptable? It enrages me how this is the thing that makes people outside Northern Ireland pay attention. So fucking blind to what has been happening on your door step for fucking decades

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/07/2025 23:49

@Nt23 I really do hope that you aren’t making a snarky comment about the amount of indigenous Irish that fleed the Island of Ireland (and therefore became Immigrants) during centuries of British rule. That would be fairly ignorant.

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powershowerforanhour · 11/07/2025 23:53

"I’m not from NI"
Given your username I assumed you were from Cork.
Dancing at the disco, bumper to bumper...

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/07/2025 00:01

@Taytoface my son’s father is Irish albeit from the republic, so I have had many conversations about this over the years. I do think I have a rudimentary understanding - enough to get why you’d be so upset about it anyway? Part of what makes it so infuriating is that a lot of Brits don’t even know why NI is part of the UK, let alone care.

I dunno if this is even helpful, and I apologise if it isn’t, but while I was learning about the history - the main thing that stood out for me was how immovable the indigenous Irish Catholic population was for so long, and from a position of peace. While England and other parts of Britain were being invaded and our culture was changing so rapidly over those times, Ireland was largely left alone. The upshot of that being that the culture there was so embedded and part of the national psyche that it was, at least in my opinion, seemingly impenetrable.

The Brits tried countless times to invade and bring in Protestantism and failed spectacularly most of the time because of how strong the indigenous culture was. For reasons that don’t make sense to me, in a fashion, the Brits did succeed in the end. Which brought about the subsequent Troubles and gross persecution of indigenous Catholics.

But, in my very humble and uneducated opinion, I have visited both sides of the border and still feel like Irish culture runs through the veins of both sides. Even if it is an unpopular opinion to hold.

A perspective from a dumb, uneducated Brit 😊

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WhereIsMyJumper · 12/07/2025 00:03

powershowerforanhour · 11/07/2025 23:53

"I’m not from NI"
Given your username I assumed you were from Cork.
Dancing at the disco, bumper to bumper...

😂
That is where my username comes from but I was introduced to this by my lovely Irish in-laws.
For my sins, I am a Brit 😂

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