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When ‘tradition’ becomes a clear display of hatred

425 replies

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/07/2025 14:52

Am I being unreasonable to be aghast at the bonfires in NI? Burning the tri-colour as well as an effigy of a migrant boat. How can this be referred to as ‘tradition’??

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/firefighters-take-two-hours-to-extinguish-controversial-bonfire-topped-with-migrant-boat-and-irish-flag-in-co-tyrone/a1274789953.html

Firefighters take two hours to extinguish controversial bonfire topped with ‘migrant boat’ and Irish flag in Co Tyrone

Firefighters took almost two hours to extinguish a controversial bonfire which was lit in Co Tyrone last night.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/firefighters-take-two-hours-to-extinguish-controversial-bonfire-topped-with-migrant-boat-and-irish-flag-in-co-tyrone/a1274789953.html

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UrbanOasis · 12/07/2025 14:37

Nt23 · 11/07/2025 22:38

I find it deeply ironic that Irish people should take such a dim view of immigration.

I think you'll find they consider themselves British. It's quite important to them actually!

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 14:41

DrPrunesqualer · 12/07/2025 14:16

It’s no different. Guy Fawkes symbolises Catholicism and if you’re Catholic that’s exactly how you see it. It’s hate

Yes it is and I do know how it riles catholics.
But the Catholic community I know don’t see it as a hate crime. Annoying and disrespectful but not hate. Mainly due to it becoming an annual tradition to watch fireworks rather than a hate fest against Catholics.

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/07/2025 14:43

millymollymoomoo · 12/07/2025 14:09

It’s a protest about the disgusting impact of mass illegal
immigration and the fact no one is listening and worse doing nothing about !

when it’s an effigy you like ( eh Boris Johnson or Katie Hopkins) you think it’s ok/ but it’s just the Same - hatred

left is always ok with opinions as long as it’s theirs only and try shut down everyone else

Who is this aimed at??

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DrPrunesqualer · 12/07/2025 14:43

UrbanOasis · 12/07/2025 14:37

I think you'll find they consider themselves British. It's quite important to them actually!

Not all of them …obviously.

AmIthatSpringy · 12/07/2025 14:43

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 14:18

Celebrating NI protests against mass influx of young fighting age men.
Effigy burning has got English people standing with NI.

The only people
standing by it are racists and thick reform fanboys

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 14:45

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/07/2025 14:33

Because they are sowing hatred and division following race riots.

Race riots?

UrbanOasis · 12/07/2025 14:45

Well, the ones with the bonfires!

UrbanOasis · 12/07/2025 14:46

UrbanOasis · 12/07/2025 14:45

Well, the ones with the bonfires!

This was for drprunesqualor

CaptainMyCaptain · 12/07/2025 14:47

AmIthatSpringy · 12/07/2025 14:43

The only people
standing by it are racists and thick reform fanboys

Agree.

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 14:47

AmIthatSpringy · 12/07/2025 14:43

The only people
standing by it are racists and thick reform fanboys

Oh your own hatred is showing. You’re showing contempt for a people who vote reform? Do you think you are superior to them?

Fearfulsaints · 12/07/2025 14:48

DrPrunesqualer · 12/07/2025 14:31

I’m aware of the history of hundreds of years ago. Catholic’s and Protestants were all killed for their religions. Time to stop the hate. Lewes council are a disgrace to allow it

It is time to stop the hate. I think it will change over time.

AmIthatSpringy · 12/07/2025 14:50

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 13:41

Wow, condescending much.
Effigy burning is a thing. It’s not new.
Are you saying those who take their kids to one shows that they are neither fit nor smart?

The PP might be saying, or not, but it's what most decent people think

we don't get the bonfires here, but we do get the annual knuckle-dragging, polyester season. That meets with the same dropped jaws from educated adults, who can't believe these types
live among us

Anyone exposing their children to that have very questionable parenting skills.

Errahstop · 12/07/2025 14:51

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 14:37

Because it’s nothing to do with religion or broader political views. That’s the point, you’re bringing religion and historical context into it when it’s really not the point.
NI don’t want the influx of undocumented males, neither do people in England.

It's disingenuous to claim that placing an effigy of asylum seekers atop a bonfire in Moygashel is apolitical or unrelated to the 12th July traditions. The bonfire itself is part of a long-standing cultural and political ritual tied to loyalist identity and the commemoration of King William III’s victory. When that tradition is used to burn symbols of vulnerable people fleeing war and persecution—complete with placards like “Stop the Boats” and “Veterans Before Refugees”—it becomes a clear act of political protest.

The stereotype of undocumented male migrants as inherently criminal or dangerous is not only false—it’s harmful. Studies consistently show that undocumented immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens.

When effigies of asylum seekers are burned in public rituals, and undocumented men are vilified in discourse, it’s not just tasteless—it’s dangerous. These acts normalize hostility toward people who are already marginalized. Calling it “just tradition” or “not political” is a way of dodging accountability. And we should all be brave enough to call it what it is.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 12/07/2025 15:00

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 14:45

Race riots?

There were recently race riots in Ballymena

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/07/2025 15:02

AmIthatSpringy · 12/07/2025 14:43

The only people
standing by it are racists and thick reform fanboys

Hear, hear.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/07/2025 15:03

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 14:18

Celebrating NI protests against mass influx of young fighting age men.
Effigy burning has got English people standing with NI.

Okay, why don’t you explain why I have no idea?

Because it's a celebrates the victory of a foreign king who brought over a load of fighting age men. To actually fight.

As I said, you have no idea.🙄

AmIthatSpringy · 12/07/2025 15:03

justasking111 · 12/07/2025 01:10

I do understand that it's different in Ireland as it is in Wales and Scotland. I think it's difficult for outsiders to appreciate though. Let's be honest it's not all good, but at times I look across the border to England totally baffled at what has become of it. There's something to be said for national identity.

The poster isn't taking about Ireland though.

This is in NI

Evaka · 12/07/2025 15:08

The lack of understanding of the cultures and geopolitics of Northern Ireland on this thread is blowing my mind. Why are so many people wading into a discussion on a sensitive topic they have zero knowledge of?

OP, thanks for raising this. It's a horrifying display of hatred and incitement to violence which authorities were aware of and allowed to play out. Incredible given recent violent attacks on migrant communities.

Willyoujustbequiet · 12/07/2025 15:08

Dodeedoo · 11/07/2025 23:11

Putting effigies of catholics on bonfires is hate. Putting effigies of immigrants on boats on bonfires is hate. Calling out those who do such things is not hate speech, pure and simple!

A lot of catholics are marching against the immigrants going off social media and I've seen comments in support of the boat burning.

The picture isn't straightforward

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/07/2025 15:10

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 14:45

Race riots?

Yes, the recent racist rioting in Ballymena, Portadown and other towns. They tried to burn down a leisure centre in Larne where immigrant families were sheltering from the violence.

You should try familiarising yourself with some facts before jumping to ridiculous statements on the internet.

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 15:11

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/07/2025 15:03

Okay, why don’t you explain why I have no idea?

Because it's a celebrates the victory of a foreign king who brought over a load of fighting age men. To actually fight.

As I said, you have no idea.🙄

Yes in 1600’s and it’s now a tradition. It may mean more to some than others.
Same as bonfire night and it doesn’t mean we are going to murder catholics.

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/07/2025 15:13

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/07/2025 15:10

Yes, the recent racist rioting in Ballymena, Portadown and other towns. They tried to burn down a leisure centre in Larne where immigrant families were sheltering from the violence.

You should try familiarising yourself with some facts before jumping to ridiculous statements on the internet.

This. Families were trapped in their burning homes. One family with young children forced into their attic space. Stop and think about that for a moment. Simply because of their heritage.

How would that make you feel?

Willyoujustbequiet · 12/07/2025 15:14

UrbanOasis · 12/07/2025 14:37

I think you'll find they consider themselves British. It's quite important to them actually!

Then why are so many marching against immigrants waving the Irish tricolour?

They don't consider themselves British.

Errahstop · 12/07/2025 15:14

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 15:11

Yes in 1600’s and it’s now a tradition. It may mean more to some than others.
Same as bonfire night and it doesn’t mean we are going to murder catholics.

And what does it mean when KILL ALL TAIGS is displayed on a bonfire? Just a tradition! Such a laugh!

Evaka · 12/07/2025 15:14

Madcatdudette · 12/07/2025 15:11

Yes in 1600’s and it’s now a tradition. It may mean more to some than others.
Same as bonfire night and it doesn’t mean we are going to murder catholics.

Do you think nothing has happened between Northern Ireland's communities since the 1600s?