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Thread 5: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 11/07/2025 12:48

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Merrymouse · 12/07/2025 13:19

ClearStory · 12/07/2025 12:44

I’ve not reread TSP in light of Moth’s illness, but, if it had a legal read (and I would that assume it did — I don’t know if Michael Joseph specifically addressed this?), then I imagine the legal team will have been specifically careful to check that it wasn’t claiming to

(1) have discovered a miracle cure for a named terminal disease,

or to

(2) be advocating that sufferers from said disease should walk on hilly terrain for ten hours a day carrying a heavy load, for a couple of months at a time, to be cured.

Presumably the legal read was satisfied that YSP was just noting a marked (and temporary) in improvement in one man.

And in fairness, even if they were saying ‘Do this — it’s a miracle cure!’, if you have a horrible, debilitating condition that means you struggle to get out of bed or put on a backpack, and you fall easily, are you really going to drag yourself out walking up and down hills carrying a rucksack full of rocks, for weeks, to see if it helps you? And in the full knowledge thst in Moth’s case, it seems to last only as long as the exercise regime?

Admittedly, I haven’t read Landlines, where people say there’s a description of brain scans showing improvements.

If you have a horrible, debilitating condition that means you struggle to get out of bed or put on a backpack, and you fall easily, are you really going to drag yourself out walking up and down hills carrying a rucksack full of rocks, for weeks, to see if it helps you?

My experience is that if you are desperate you do whatever you can, and you torture yourself about what you could or should have done.

AldoGordo · 12/07/2025 13:21

MyGodMyThighs · 12/07/2025 13:03

If we assume Cole happened upon the Walkers by coincidence and offered them his farmhouse out of the kindness of his heart then I suppose there’s nothing to see there.

I don’t buy the story that this is what happened though so I am interested in how their paths crossed. And why he didn’t capitalise on the TSP connection to market the cider.

I actually do believe this aspect of the story - that Cole read TSP and decided to offer them a place to live. Apparently he reached out via twitter. What I don't believe is that they were asked to run the cider farm or renovate the house from a ruinous or uninhabitable state, or that the place was devoid of birdsong till they showed up. They probably did some "rewilding" but Google Earth shows plenty of hedgerows and wild areas before 2019 when they arrived.

Choux · 12/07/2025 13:21

The plot of Stopcock (published in 2012) by Tim’s uncle and the lender of the £100k sounds like an imagining of what could hsve have happened if the Walkers had moved to France after buying the property there. Funny how they are all writing books.

“Are we ever in control of our lives, only able to adapt to changing circumstances and events the best we can, or can we grab it by the scruff of the neck and really influence the kind of life we think we deserve? Those questions and the way his own life descended rapidly have come to haunt Peter Woods making him sleep uneasily. Although fate has appeared to have at last played Pete a good hand, living with the enigmatic Monica in the idyllic hills of the south of France, he wakes up one day in the knowledge that he must go back to the midlands to confront his past and try to lay his ghosts to rest. ‘Stopcock’ is a story of love, lust and betrayal, where an ordinary builder’s life turns into a web of deceit that will eventually lead to his world changing forever.”

AldoGordo · 12/07/2025 13:25

Choux · 12/07/2025 13:21

The plot of Stopcock (published in 2012) by Tim’s uncle and the lender of the £100k sounds like an imagining of what could hsve have happened if the Walkers had moved to France after buying the property there. Funny how they are all writing books.

“Are we ever in control of our lives, only able to adapt to changing circumstances and events the best we can, or can we grab it by the scruff of the neck and really influence the kind of life we think we deserve? Those questions and the way his own life descended rapidly have come to haunt Peter Woods making him sleep uneasily. Although fate has appeared to have at last played Pete a good hand, living with the enigmatic Monica in the idyllic hills of the south of France, he wakes up one day in the knowledge that he must go back to the midlands to confront his past and try to lay his ghosts to rest. ‘Stopcock’ is a story of love, lust and betrayal, where an ordinary builder’s life turns into a web of deceit that will eventually lead to his world changing forever.”

Ha, yes. Just to correct you though, Martyn Walker appears to be Tim's brother not uncle, and not the source of the £100,000 loan.

It's like the two books Stopcock and How Not to Dal Dy Dir were in competition...or one ripped off the other to begin the downward spiral.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/07/2025 13:29

FurryHappyKittens · 12/07/2025 13:15

Subsequently it transpired that their life wasn't quite as idyllic as pictured & that he had glamourised both their life & their relationship.

Where have you read or heard that?

There is at least one biography. It transpired that both Derek Tangye & Jeannie had affairs. The farm didn't really make money & only the income from the books kept them afloat. The Minak Chronicles were immensely popular back in the day & pilgrims from all round the world used to visit them where by all accounts they were graciously received by the Tangyes. I'm not saying the stories in the books were faked like TSP but there is an element of glossing over & fictionalising. I loved reading these books when I was younger but they are long out of print.

placemats · 12/07/2025 13:30

AldoGordo · 12/07/2025 13:21

I actually do believe this aspect of the story - that Cole read TSP and decided to offer them a place to live. Apparently he reached out via twitter. What I don't believe is that they were asked to run the cider farm or renovate the house from a ruinous or uninhabitable state, or that the place was devoid of birdsong till they showed up. They probably did some "rewilding" but Google Earth shows plenty of hedgerows and wild areas before 2019 when they arrived.

Cornwall can be bleak and depressing in places, especially off the beaten track - usually the coast.

Choux · 12/07/2025 13:33

AldoGordo · 12/07/2025 13:25

Ha, yes. Just to correct you though, Martyn Walker appears to be Tim's brother not uncle, and not the source of the £100,000 loan.

It's like the two books Stopcock and How Not to Dal Dy Dir were in competition...or one ripped off the other to begin the downward spiral.

My god - sorry everyone! I am going to have to start making notes on who’s who! I was also the one who gave the wrong date of death for Anthony Browne this morning too despite typing only 5 mins after reading it in that juicy Mail article.

FurryHappyKittens · 12/07/2025 13:34

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/07/2025 13:29

There is at least one biography. It transpired that both Derek Tangye & Jeannie had affairs. The farm didn't really make money & only the income from the books kept them afloat. The Minak Chronicles were immensely popular back in the day & pilgrims from all round the world used to visit them where by all accounts they were graciously received by the Tangyes. I'm not saying the stories in the books were faked like TSP but there is an element of glossing over & fictionalising. I loved reading these books when I was younger but they are long out of print.

Thanks. I've read about the farm not making money. Doesn't he mention it in at least one of the books?

I met him in the 90s when he had the last two donkeys and Cherry the cat. A bit curmudgeonly but he was rather old.

I think they were pretty authentic about their life there.

MyGodMyThighs · 12/07/2025 13:36

AldoGordo · 12/07/2025 13:21

I actually do believe this aspect of the story - that Cole read TSP and decided to offer them a place to live. Apparently he reached out via twitter. What I don't believe is that they were asked to run the cider farm or renovate the house from a ruinous or uninhabitable state, or that the place was devoid of birdsong till they showed up. They probably did some "rewilding" but Google Earth shows plenty of hedgerows and wild areas before 2019 when they arrived.

I suppose it’s possible. After all, I bought my copy of TSP from the lovely little book shop in Lostwithiel on my way home from work one day. Perhaps Bill found it there too.

Agree the cider making and rewilding stories are far-fetched.

User14March · 12/07/2025 13:37

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/07/2025 13:04

Minack made me think of Derek Tangye who wrote a series of books that were extremely popular in the Sixties. Starting with A Gull on the Roof it ran to twenty books documenting the tale of Derek & his wife Jeanie overcoming adversity & getting close to nature growing flowers & potatoes on a small farm on a cliff in Cornwall.
He was an interesting chap who worked for MI5 during WWII & was a friend of John Le Carre who lived nearby. Subsequently it transpired that their life wasn't quite as idyllic as pictured & that he had glamourised both their life & their relationship.
The Minack Chronicles as the series was known were phenomenally popular but are now all but forgotten since the author's death. Coincidentally I see they were published by Michael Joseph.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Tangye

Nigel Tangye, his brother, also fascinating & his books on Cornish wrecks etc, fab. Nigel ran a well known Cornish hotel & had a very colourful life. The Tangye books def deserve a wider audience.

placemats · 12/07/2025 13:37

Choux · 12/07/2025 13:33

My god - sorry everyone! I am going to have to start making notes on who’s who! I was also the one who gave the wrong date of death for Anthony Browne this morning too despite typing only 5 mins after reading it in that juicy Mail article.

This is the bizarre thing about this whole sorry situation. So much obfuscation regarding names and timelines. Right off to have 3rd shower in 24 hours.

Will be watching tennis. Want both to win.

DisappointedReader · 12/07/2025 13:38

Hello everyone. I'm just going to catch up on the thread. I hope everyone has been behaving themselves...

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MyGodMyThighs · 12/07/2025 13:39

placemats · 12/07/2025 13:30

Cornwall can be bleak and depressing in places, especially off the beaten track - usually the coast.

More so the old clay villages.

The area around Haye Farm is beautiful, rural and wild, and so their description of the land looking ‘poisoned’ or some such when they arrived just doesn’t ring true.

I live very close to it.

DisappointedReader · 12/07/2025 13:42

BeckyAMumsnet · 12/07/2025 13:01

Hi all. We've had a few concerns raised about this thread so we're dropping in with a quick note.

We know there's been a lot of interest in the recent scandal surrounding The Salt Path, and totally understand why you are discussing the wider context. But we'd ask everyone to please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people who aren't in the public eye or have no connection to the story, especially where details are unclear or still emerging.

Thanks all.

Thanks @BeckyAMumsnet - I second this.

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Chateaudiaries · 12/07/2025 13:42

@Daisythepussycat I enjoyed the story of your French ruin, well done for renovating especially with no experience. Like you, I’m interested in the French aspect of this story because I own a chateau in SW France, it’s in a reasonable state but needs some work (looking at you damp walls) and not for the faint-hearted! Anyhow I hope you do write a bookSmile

I never actually read the SP despite enjoying reading and walking, after reading a couple of bad reviews on here.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/07/2025 13:43

FurryHappyKittens · 12/07/2025 13:34

Thanks. I've read about the farm not making money. Doesn't he mention it in at least one of the books?

I met him in the 90s when he had the last two donkeys and Cherry the cat. A bit curmudgeonly but he was rather old.

I think they were pretty authentic about their life there.

I agree that the books are pretty authentic too. The books might present a sanitised version of their life but they really did run a farm growing flowers & potatoes for several decades. The story about giving up life in the big city for a remote rural existence closer to nature resonated in the Sixties & still does today. I always loved the catchy book titles too. A Gull on the Roof, A Cat in the Window, A Drake at the Door, A Donkey in the Meadow etc

Choux · 12/07/2025 13:43

Has this been posted before? Short video of Sally (in character as Raynor) explaining to Fearne Cotton about Moth’s diagnosis just before the start of the walk.
Doctors said ‘don’t get too tired and be careful on stairs’. Yet off they apparently set on a walk that is the equivalent of four Everest ascents. 🙄
Am curious now if the whole podcast is available to watch as I would love to hear what Fearne says next.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/4089056321371741?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&fs=e&fs=e

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/07/2025 13:47

User14March · 12/07/2025 13:37

Nigel Tangye, his brother, also fascinating & his books on Cornish wrecks etc, fab. Nigel ran a well known Cornish hotel & had a very colourful life. The Tangye books def deserve a wider audience.

I had never heard of Nigel Tangye but found this fascinaing snippet in his Wikipedia entry:

In 1938 he wrote Teach Yourself to Fly, a book designed to help flying students with the basics before entering an aeroplane. The book - the first of the Teach Yourself series - was sufficiently well-regarded that it became recommended by the British Air Ministry for pilots in the run up to and during the Second World War, and Tangye was asked to train prospective RAF pilots

Teach Yourself - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_Yourself

Ammophila · 12/07/2025 13:47

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/07/2025 13:04

Minack made me think of Derek Tangye who wrote a series of books that were extremely popular in the Sixties. Starting with A Gull on the Roof it ran to twenty books documenting the tale of Derek & his wife Jeanie overcoming adversity & getting close to nature growing flowers & potatoes on a small farm on a cliff in Cornwall.
He was an interesting chap who worked for MI5 during WWII & was a friend of John Le Carre who lived nearby. Subsequently it transpired that their life wasn't quite as idyllic as pictured & that he had glamourised both their life & their relationship.
The Minack Chronicles as the series was known were phenomenally popular but are now all but forgotten since the author's death. Coincidentally I see they were published by Michael Joseph.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Tangye

I remember my late DM reading this series when I was a child. We often holidayed in Cornwall in the 1970s and she would bring them along as holiday reading.

I think they're still available as kindle books from Amazon, although I haven't read any of them.

Just an idle thought but, to me, "Izzy Wyn" sounds so like "easy win" and makes me think we've all been conned by a very long game played here.

User14March · 12/07/2025 13:56

Ammophila · 12/07/2025 13:47

I remember my late DM reading this series when I was a child. We often holidayed in Cornwall in the 1970s and she would bring them along as holiday reading.

I think they're still available as kindle books from Amazon, although I haven't read any of them.

Just an idle thought but, to me, "Izzy Wyn" sounds so like "easy win" and makes me think we've all been conned by a very long game played here.

Totally agree and find Moth’s deliberate absences, for such a warm, magnetic extrovert compared to shy Ray, unsettling. As someone said that cas dapper look ££. During TSP photos £ designer clobber. Was the tent really an ebay cheapo as he’s in new Berghaus, Karrimor etc.

Uricon2 · 12/07/2025 13:56

The Tangye family were also industrialists in the Black Country. The baronetcy and the name of the factory (Cornwall Works) reflect their roots. I've got a picture of my Dad receiving the top apprentice cup (for I think the third year running, proud) from Sir Basil Tangye. Derek was I think his cousin. Things went downhill in the 60s, so I'm not sure how much money would have been sloshing around the family

I didn't realise until fact checking this that David Lean the film director was a member of the family.

BadDinner · 12/07/2025 13:57

sualipa · 12/07/2025 11:31

ChatGPT ;

Bear Grylls (BG):
Raynor, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk, especially with everything going on. How are you holding up?
Raynor Winn (RW):
Thanks, Bear. It’s been a deeply painful time—for many people. I want to begin by saying how sorry I am. Truly. If anything I’ve written or any part of my story has caused hurt or harm, I offer my heartfelt apology. That was never my intention.
BG:
That means a lot to hear, Raynor. You’ve always written with such honesty about struggle and survival. But now you’re in a different kind of fire. How are you processing it?
RW:
It’s shaken me, Bear. We walked thousands of miles trying to find dignity in hardship, and I tried to carry that honesty into every word. But I also recognize that narratives have consequences. I now see that I could have done more to represent people and situations with greater care. I got things wrong. And I’m deeply sorry for that.
BG:
You’re showing real courage just saying that. Do you feel people will be able to move forward with you?
RW:
I hope so. I don’t take forgiveness for granted—it’s something that must be earned. But I am asking for it. Not to erase what’s happened, but to acknowledge it fully and do better. I’m listening, I’m learning, and I want to rebuild trust—if people will allow me that chance.
BG:
You’ve always walked forward—even when the way ahead was brutal. What’s next?
RW:
We pause. We reflect. And then—step by step—we try to walk differently. With more humility, more listening, and a lot less certainty. That’s all I can promise.
BG:
Well said. Nature forgives—if we respect it. Maybe people can too. You’re not alone, Raynor. Keep walking.
RW:
Thank you, Bear. That means more than you know.

"I don't take forgiveness for granted"

Excellent! Even I'm experiencing a little heart tremor at that one😆

User14March · 12/07/2025 14:01

Uricon2 · 12/07/2025 13:56

The Tangye family were also industrialists in the Black Country. The baronetcy and the name of the factory (Cornwall Works) reflect their roots. I've got a picture of my Dad receiving the top apprentice cup (for I think the third year running, proud) from Sir Basil Tangye. Derek was I think his cousin. Things went downhill in the 60s, so I'm not sure how much money would have been sloshing around the family

I didn't realise until fact checking this that David Lean the film director was a member of the family.

I met Nigel as a child. He moved to the gatehouse of the hotel, he was wonderful & I had no idea he was anyone special. A sort of forerunner to Jeremy Clarkson in that he was battling the council with some silly rules. In end he was forced to sell the family home. He ran it like a magnificent perm party !

tighterthanaducksarse · 12/07/2025 14:01

Choux · 12/07/2025 13:21

The plot of Stopcock (published in 2012) by Tim’s uncle and the lender of the £100k sounds like an imagining of what could hsve have happened if the Walkers had moved to France after buying the property there. Funny how they are all writing books.

“Are we ever in control of our lives, only able to adapt to changing circumstances and events the best we can, or can we grab it by the scruff of the neck and really influence the kind of life we think we deserve? Those questions and the way his own life descended rapidly have come to haunt Peter Woods making him sleep uneasily. Although fate has appeared to have at last played Pete a good hand, living with the enigmatic Monica in the idyllic hills of the south of France, he wakes up one day in the knowledge that he must go back to the midlands to confront his past and try to lay his ghosts to rest. ‘Stopcock’ is a story of love, lust and betrayal, where an ordinary builder’s life turns into a web of deceit that will eventually lead to his world changing forever.”

OMG what have I missed? His uncle also a writer?

ClearStory · 12/07/2025 14:02

AldoGordo · 12/07/2025 13:21

I actually do believe this aspect of the story - that Cole read TSP and decided to offer them a place to live. Apparently he reached out via twitter. What I don't believe is that they were asked to run the cider farm or renovate the house from a ruinous or uninhabitable state, or that the place was devoid of birdsong till they showed up. They probably did some "rewilding" but Google Earth shows plenty of hedgerows and wild areas before 2019 when they arrived.

It certainly struck me as strange they were paying rent for an uninhabitable, rodent-infested house. RW describes signing a contract, too and worrying about paying two rents for several months because they sign in October but don’t move in til spring.

It’s not clear to me whether the cider-making was happening immediately before the Walkers took on the farm— the orchard is obviously old, and ‘Sam’ says it’s an old ‘sheep and beef farm that makes cider’ when he first describes it to them, but RW notes that the trees are in poor shape, and covered in ripe but unpicked fruit when they first see them. They later say the cider press hadn’t been used in a year, but their attitude to the cider-making side of things is weirdly casual even when the farm is their responsibility. For a start, by her account they disappear to Iceland to walk at apple-picking time, then come home but mysteriously don’t seem to have made any arrangements to harvest the apple crop. There’s a storm, the apples are all on the ground, bruised, and Moth says ‘What a waste’ and that they’ll never be able to pick up more than a tiny number. Only volunteers from Polruan mean that they get the fruit into the barn.

It all sounds more than a bit slapdash..?

Clearly they were still involved when Rick Stein filmed there in 2022/3, but maybe they’re just not people who get on with things in a professional way?

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