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Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 20:23

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

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FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 00:25

Cleanthecoffeemachine · 10/07/2025 00:24

I find Moth's job as National Trust head gardener odd. He jumped from volunteer to getting the head gardener job despite no recent relevant experience.

I thought he'd been taken on as gardener then became head gardener during his tenure there?

Cleanthecoffeemachine · 10/07/2025 00:29

FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 00:25

I thought he'd been taken on as gardener then became head gardener during his tenure there?

Ah, maybe I misunderstood.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 10/07/2025 00:32

FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 00:25

I thought he'd been taken on as gardener then became head gardener during his tenure there?

No, he went from volunteer to Head Gardener.

'At about the same time he went to the gardens at Plas yn Rhiw and met Paul Lewis, The National Trust warden for the area, and did some work identifying tree plots. He also met Mrs Dick, the custodian at the time, and started volunteering in the garden. Then a few months later the gardener Robin Thomas retired and "it was suggested by someone in the Trust that I apply for the job, and I got it in 1995."'

https://archive.ph/6KXzq#selection-837.0-837.405

ThatFluentHedgehog · 10/07/2025 00:36

Or, from volunteer to paid staff gardener, but it sounded like there was only one gardener there, who retired and he replaced.

He's then called himself Head Gardener perhaps!

fetachocolate · 10/07/2025 00:43

Ah, those stressful work days when you accidentally embezzle your employer out of £65k. We've all done it.

FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 00:49

fetachocolate · 10/07/2025 00:43

Ah, those stressful work days when you accidentally embezzle your employer out of £65k. We've all done it.

But it was our employers fault! Mistakes were happening in the business, and our employers were just as keen to settle as we were!

mycatismyworld · 10/07/2025 00:56

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EwMv42whJ/
I Googled Raynor Winn on companies house. Sorry if anyone has already posted this already.

mycatismyworld · 10/07/2025 00:59

https://www.facebook.com/share/16SRNpsxhg/ found her on Companies House

ZoeCM · 10/07/2025 00:59

From Walker/Winn/whatever the hell her name is's statement:

I worked for Martin Hemmings in the years before the economic crash of 2008. For me it was a pressured time. It was also a time when mistakes were being made in the business. Any mistakes I made during the years in that office, I deeply regret, and I am truly sorry.

Either Martin Hemmings's widow is lying or Walker is. There's not a chance in hell that £64K disappeared by accident.

As an aside, "mistakes were made" is such a notorious "nonpology" phrase that it has its own Wikipedia page.

Mistakes were made - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistakes_were_made

PullTheBricksDown · 10/07/2025 01:03

Comet33 · 09/07/2025 22:29

Time to draw a line under this and move on - these threads have long since ceased to be a place to discuss shock and confusion at the Observer article and have turned into witch hunts.

Some of you won't be happy unless you have access to every piece of medical evidence and will still use semantics to dispute Moth's diagnosis.

Gosh, how interesting that this post uses the same logic that we heard from our previous government about how their lies, manipulations and hypocrisy should now be glossed over and it was time we all moved on. Can anyone remember how that all worked out?

ZoeCM · 10/07/2025 01:05

I don't believe they're still keeping hiding Cooper's true identity to protect his family. Come on.

mycatismyworld · 10/07/2025 01:07

She says she was gifted the Cider farm in Cornwall by a reader .

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 01:08

FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 00:51

Here you go, @FurryHappyKittens - https://archive.ph/GtroI

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 01:12

ZoeCM · 10/07/2025 01:05

I don't believe they're still keeping hiding Cooper's true identity to protect his family. Come on.

I doubt Cooper even exists, tbh.

My feeling now is that ‘Cooper’ is a character created by RW for her memoir so she could conveniently blame him for the fact she lost her house because of the fallout from the loan she had to repay the £64,000 that she allegedly stole from the Hemmings.

I have no idea if Cooper is real or not, but this is just a hunch I have.

ZoeCM · 10/07/2025 01:13

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 01:12

I doubt Cooper even exists, tbh.

My feeling now is that ‘Cooper’ is a character created by RW for her memoir so she could conveniently blame him for the fact she lost her house because of the fallout from the loan she had to repay the £64,000 that she allegedly stole from the Hemmings.

I have no idea if Cooper is real or not, but this is just a hunch I have.

That's my point. If he were real, now would be the perfect time to identify him. Surely she'd prioritise clearing her name above loyalty to his family at this point.

mycatismyworld · 10/07/2025 01:17

They're claiming their cider company is probably the oldest in the World.

PullTheBricksDown · 10/07/2025 01:20

ZoeCM · 10/07/2025 01:05

I don't believe they're still keeping hiding Cooper's true identity to protect his family. Come on.

This has now surely got to be the next step for the Observer. Find Cooper and check out the story. Maybe he's hiding out with Elvis and the Loch Ness Monster.

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 01:21

ZoeCM · 10/07/2025 01:13

That's my point. If he were real, now would be the perfect time to identify him. Surely she'd prioritise clearing her name above loyalty to his family at this point.

Ah sorry - I thought that’s what you were getting that, but wasn’t sure! Yeah I agree. If Cooper doesn’t actually exist, I don’t see how she can admit that, because that ruins most of her story. So I think she’s just doubling down on not mentioning him to apparently ‘protect his privacy’. But I think everyone is starting to smell a rat there.

FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 01:27

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 01:12

I doubt Cooper even exists, tbh.

My feeling now is that ‘Cooper’ is a character created by RW for her memoir so she could conveniently blame him for the fact she lost her house because of the fallout from the loan she had to repay the £64,000 that she allegedly stole from the Hemmings.

I have no idea if Cooper is real or not, but this is just a hunch I have.

He has to be made up for Walker to talk about him.

She's tried to muddy the waters surrounding the Hemmings and Cooper in order to deflect from her loan being from a family member and not a made up friend.

She has to stick with him because if she told these lies about a family member she's opening herself up to legal action.

I think she's hoping that Tim's relative's widow won't want to reveal herself or talk any more about the loan.

Noshadelamp · 10/07/2025 01:41

The problem with telling lies is remembering what you've said.

From the book:
Moth – real name Ray, his nickname is a hangover from his ecological activism in the 1980s and 1990s

Today's statement by Sally/Raynor
Moth is just an abbreviation of his name – Timothy.

It's not a big deal compared to the rest of it but why lie? Why lie in the book and say he name is Ray?

My brother is a compulsive liar and will lie when there's no need, simple innocent things that can easily be proven a lie.

And then convoluted rot that he makes up to hide the truth of something he really doesn't want you to know about is next level crazy.

And this is the vibe in getting from today's statement!

FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 01:49

Two ways of describing the diagnosis...

Consultant's letter 29/06/2015: I have explained to Mr Walker that his condition most closely resembles the corticobasal syndrome(asymetric bradykinesia and dyspraxia with impairment of horizontal gaze rather than vertical) but it is clear that he is affected very mildly

From The Salt Path, 2018, recounting a consultant's appointment in 2013: "I believe you have corticobasal degeneration, CBD"...he carried on trying to explain a rare degenerative brain disease that would take [Moth] ...and there was nothing,absolutely nothing, they could do about it.

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 02:00

I could be wrong, but I thought the bit about his real name being Ray and nickname being Moth is from an Independent article (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/the-salt-path-book-journey-walking-coast-path-cornwall-devon-homelessness-a8502256.html) rather than directly from the book. I guess RW and TW must have given this info to the journalist who wrote the article though. Maybe the journalist misunderstood and thought his name was Ray?

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 02:04

FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 01:49

Two ways of describing the diagnosis...

Consultant's letter 29/06/2015: I have explained to Mr Walker that his condition most closely resembles the corticobasal syndrome(asymetric bradykinesia and dyspraxia with impairment of horizontal gaze rather than vertical) but it is clear that he is affected very mildly

From The Salt Path, 2018, recounting a consultant's appointment in 2013: "I believe you have corticobasal degeneration, CBD"...he carried on trying to explain a rare degenerative brain disease that would take [Moth] ...and there was nothing,absolutely nothing, they could do about it.

The explanation of TSP is way more dramatic, which of course helps makes the narrative really compelling. I suppose a possible explanation to support the urgency and drama of the TSP description of the diagnosis is that CBD worsens over time. Given that, you could say that technically RW is being accurate, even though she’s not truthfully reporting the doctor’s diagnosis from 2013.

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