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Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 20:23

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

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HumbleWarrior · 11/07/2025 11:19

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/07/2025 10:45

The last sentence means nothing - selling 2 million books across the world over 7 years means that 0.025% of the world population have bought it. It really is small fry. Comparing it to a book or books that sell nothing or almost nothing doesn't prove that it has been well read. It hasn't. If I sell one apple this week, and none last week, it doesn't make apples into best sellers. If I sell one apple every week and 40 mangoes every week, my best sellers are mangoes. In the world of book publishing selling 2 million books over several years may amount to a lot of books in that small niche, but all it proves is that most people haven't read it.

You're way off with this. 2 million worldwide sales for a debut book is MASSIVE.

How many books, other than the Bible and Quran, have most people on earth read? Even including the Bible and Quran, and they've had a few hundred years (since print began, and a good PR head start before that) to gather interest.

prh47bridge · 11/07/2025 11:19

AldoGordo · 11/07/2025 09:49

Can someone with knowledge of investment please help me understand what RW means in her statement? She writes that when Moth's 1990 investment with Cooper's business was about to mature, they were told it had failed due to low occupancy. I assume this is to do with property and rental income.

She says Cooper lied about this and then offered to pay them back when confronted in 2008. Is this really how companies operate - ie shareholders can be hoodwinked into thinking there is no return of investment when there is?

A company cannot legitimately hoodwink its shareholders in this way. Doing so would require the complicity of the auditor. I doubt they were hoodwinked. Assuming there really was an investment, they invested in something that they expected to give them a return, after which they would get their money back, either by selling their shares to someone else or by the company going into voluntary liquidation and distributing its assets to shareholders. The investment did not perform and they lost their money. That is always a risk when you invest. It may be that the failure was caused by James/Cooper taking money from the business to which he was not entitled but, as we don't know who he is, we have no way of finding out.

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 11:19

Gillian A and Jason I will have been contracted to do a certain amount of publicity for the film. I wonder if they will just quietly fade away from it.

Jason in particular seems to have been incredibly supportive of Sally and her story, it would seem very damaging if he continued in that vein.

FloofyKat · 11/07/2025 11:25

placemats · 11/07/2025 11:07

Good point @Bruisername

Having done a bit of proof reading and editing in the past, it's tricky to keep up with the timeline and the inconsistencies - this does only apply to fiction. You cannot become emotionally involved with the book.

Non fiction relies on receipts and corroboration which are easy to do. Most importantly is trust and another impassioned eye on the subject. Most authors are honest and will often correct a timeline.

To add I only did it for friends and family on novels and biographies - the latter being about a sports movement.

Did proofread for a famous brochure but I don't want to talk about that.

Was the famous brochure the IKEA catalogue?
[Misses point of post … sorry lol]

prh47bridge · 11/07/2025 11:27

PhilippaGeorgiou · 11/07/2025 10:45

The last sentence means nothing - selling 2 million books across the world over 7 years means that 0.025% of the world population have bought it. It really is small fry. Comparing it to a book or books that sell nothing or almost nothing doesn't prove that it has been well read. It hasn't. If I sell one apple this week, and none last week, it doesn't make apples into best sellers. If I sell one apple every week and 40 mangoes every week, my best sellers are mangoes. In the world of book publishing selling 2 million books over several years may amount to a lot of books in that small niche, but all it proves is that most people haven't read it.

Ok, let's compare it to best selling non-fiction books. A New York Times best seller could manage 100,000 copies in its first year. Sales will tail off after that. Selling 2 million books over 7 years means an average of nearly 300,000 copies a year.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 11/07/2025 11:32

AldoGordo · 11/07/2025 09:40

I'd like to add that he is listed as the academic journal's book editor so it's just one of many reviews he's done. I don't think the review itself is of any concern for reasons you make above. But there still could be a real connection between him and RayMoth, which for now seems a bit odd.

Agree, think this is a sensible point.

placemats · 11/07/2025 11:38

FloofyKat · 11/07/2025 11:25

Was the famous brochure the IKEA catalogue?
[Misses point of post … sorry lol]

No. It was to commerate the opening of a famous tunnel. And that's all I'm saying x

placemats · 11/07/2025 11:42

prh47bridge · 11/07/2025 11:27

Ok, let's compare it to best selling non-fiction books. A New York Times best seller could manage 100,000 copies in its first year. Sales will tail off after that. Selling 2 million books over 7 years means an average of nearly 300,000 copies a year.

One could argue that the book brought a lot of tourists to the area and contributed to the local businesses, except the book does refer to avoiding paying for teas, and campsite fees. All very odd.

AnOlderGranny · 11/07/2025 11:46

Catwith69lives · 11/07/2025 08:21

She has refuted the journalist's claim that the house was lost due to the loan being called in which she took out to pay back the embezzled money (£64K) to the Hemmings rather than being the result of an unwise property investment that was made in the early 1990s and which the Walkers tried to get back in 2008.

And are we to believe anything she says?

AnOlderGranny · 11/07/2025 11:49

This was discussed on Radio 4 Today (today!) around 8.50am and the contributors say the blame lies at the door of Penguin/ Random House who is a massive publisher and should have done due diligence, especially around Tim Walker's illness before the book was accepted (and how he was able to complete the walk with his supposed diagnosis.)

AnOlderGranny · 11/07/2025 11:50

placemats · 11/07/2025 11:42

One could argue that the book brought a lot of tourists to the area and contributed to the local businesses, except the book does refer to avoiding paying for teas, and campsite fees. All very odd.

The SWCP is packed already so it doesn't need a memoir to advertise it.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 11/07/2025 11:51

AldoGordo · 11/07/2025 10:28

I'm struggling to believe they even ran and restored a cider farm. More like they just lived on one and made the most of it.

Yes, they worked for Bill Cole on his cider farm, Haye, and lived in one of the buildings. It's not confirmed if they paid rent. But they purported to run / own it, or at least didn't correct that assumption, including on a Rick Stein feature. They've apparently now fallen out with the real owner (DM article 10/07) and left the area.

https://www.hayefarmcider.co.uk/

Haye Farm Cider

https://www.hayefarmcider.co.uk

MelliC · 11/07/2025 11:56

At the heart of the book is the redemptive power of nature. That the cause of her mental anguish was much more of her own making than suggested doesn't change that . We all engage in various degrees of delusion about whether we are the victim or the author of misfortune. So I say, as a work of art, it still has validity. (TBH - I never really believed the medical miracle cure bit anway).

DiamondThrone · 11/07/2025 11:56

Bruisername · 11/07/2025 10:54

I’ve always wondered if sensitivity readers actually have any experience in the sensitivity they are judging

common sense readers would have picked a lot of this stuff up

on the injunctions - I guess there is a cost benefit to the newspaper in terms of time and cost of objecting to the injunction. And in this case, for example, is the story big enough to justify that cost?

I find it odd that she admitted wanting to sit down with the paper first and keep the whole conversation secret. She comes across as quite duplicitous

I find it odd that she admitted wanting to sit down with the paper first and keep the whole conversation secret.

That's a good point. If the lawyers were going to be able to clear her name, why would she want it to be kept secret?!

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 11:58

MelliC · 11/07/2025 11:56

At the heart of the book is the redemptive power of nature. That the cause of her mental anguish was much more of her own making than suggested doesn't change that . We all engage in various degrees of delusion about whether we are the victim or the author of misfortune. So I say, as a work of art, it still has validity. (TBH - I never really believed the medical miracle cure bit anway).

At the heart of the three books already published was the miracle of walking to reverse a terminal diagnosis.

sualipa · 11/07/2025 11:58

placemats · 11/07/2025 11:42

One could argue that the book brought a lot of tourists to the area and contributed to the local businesses, except the book does refer to avoiding paying for teas, and campsite fees. All very odd.

If we were to construct some hypothetical scales of justice placing the wrongs they may have committed on one side, and weighing them against the good that has arguably come out of it, as you said such as the boost to businesses, the subsidising of other books in the Penguin stable, or the inspiration it may have given people to do more with their lives in a positive way then I’d argue that the balance tips quite heavily toward the positive.

My father, who fought in World War II, used to say he fervently hoped there was a hell, so that Hitler would burn for eternity for the monstrous sins he unleashed on the world. He hated the fact that Hitler killed himself when it was all over, escaping justice. That gave me a strong moral framework growing up but also a sobering sense of perspective. The world is often unfair. After all, we’re only a blink away in evolutionary time from our animal ancestors, who live in a constant state of fear and survival, scrambling for food and safety each day. Some of that primal chaos still echoes in us now.

So no, I don’t have to like or approve of these people. But watching all this unfold from a somewhat dispassionate hilltop, and considering the broader sweep of things, I can’t bring myself to condemn them vituperatively at least not unless it’s absolutely clear that real signficant and widespread harm has been done more than cancelling my calculation of supposed good, rather than just questionable or distasteful decisions made. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it.

Plus it's so bloody hot outside I'd rather waste time with good people here in front of a fan whatever your views !

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 12:00

ThatFluentHedgehog · 11/07/2025 11:51

Yes, they worked for Bill Cole on his cider farm, Haye, and lived in one of the buildings. It's not confirmed if they paid rent. But they purported to run / own it, or at least didn't correct that assumption, including on a Rick Stein feature. They've apparently now fallen out with the real owner (DM article 10/07) and left the area.

https://www.hayefarmcider.co.uk/

Maybe he got pissed off with them acting as if it was them that did all the hard work.

Pretty sure the owner didn't suddenly arrive one day to find they'd fully restored it and were operating a successful cider business in his absence.

placemats · 11/07/2025 12:02

I'm no fan of either RW or M W. That must be obvious from my previous posts. @sualipa

MyGodMyThighs · 11/07/2025 12:05

AldoGordo · 11/07/2025 09:40

I'd like to add that he is listed as the academic journal's book editor so it's just one of many reviews he's done. I don't think the review itself is of any concern for reasons you make above. But there still could be a real connection between him and RayMoth, which for now seems a bit odd.

I think I’m right in saying it’s the only non-academic book he has reviewed.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 11/07/2025 12:07

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 12:00

Maybe he got pissed off with them acting as if it was them that did all the hard work.

Pretty sure the owner didn't suddenly arrive one day to find they'd fully restored it and were operating a successful cider business in his absence.

All that restored it and rewilded it is utter bollox as far as I can tell! I shared a photo of the building they stayed at which looks how you'd expect a
building on a successful banker's farm to look ie immaculate.

It's an expansive 800 year old orchard that sells its produce in various outlets. They or Moth was paid to work on the land, no doubt alongside several others.

www.instagram.com/hayefarmcider/

Bruisername · 11/07/2025 12:07

@sualipa
i see your point but the whole weighing of sins vs good acts is subjective

to me the potential harm she has done to those with neurological conditions most likely outweighs the good

having a selfish motive for doing good also pops you on the ‘bad’ scale imo

plus the impact on her various victims be they alive or dead

very Egyptian though!!!

MyGodMyThighs · 11/07/2025 12:08

AldoGordo · 11/07/2025 09:49

Can someone with knowledge of investment please help me understand what RW means in her statement? She writes that when Moth's 1990 investment with Cooper's business was about to mature, they were told it had failed due to low occupancy. I assume this is to do with property and rental income.

She says Cooper lied about this and then offered to pay them back when confronted in 2008. Is this really how companies operate - ie shareholders can be hoodwinked into thinking there is no return of investment when there is?

No it most definitely isn’t. Certainly not with any above board investments which are regulated heavily.

An informal, personal investment would be another matter though.

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 12:09

unless it’s absolutely clear that real signficant and widespread harm has been done

The thing is that unless their families and all the people they owe money to stand up and tell the world what they have done then the scales may always just balance in their favour. (I don't think they do btw.)

Their nephew, a respected naval architect, was sufficiently moved to post on his LinkedIn that the Walkers are pathological liars who leave a trail of destruction in their wake.

So, there is suggestion of a lot more than what we know. And I'm not expecting or wanting for any family to come out and tell us all exactly what has happened.

So I think the harm they've done to family and people near where they lived far outweighs the boost to Cornwall's tourism industry.

The boost is a plus, the harm has caused a lot of distress.

MyGodMyThighs · 11/07/2025 12:11

prh47bridge · 11/07/2025 09:54

Really? Which bit of that is barking up the wrong tree? Do you really think the Walkers or PRH paid this doctor a large sum of money to promote a book that was already a best seller in a niche publication?

No I don’t. I’m not sure why you think I think that 😂

prh47bridge · 11/07/2025 12:12

MyGodMyThighs · 11/07/2025 12:05

I think I’m right in saying it’s the only non-academic book he has reviewed.

Best selling non-academic books that have any relevance to neurology are not exactly common.

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