To feel like I'm not sure where I sit politically anymore, and to worry about it.

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I've always been a staunch Labour voter. Always been pro refugees. Always given people the benefit of the doubt. Always felt okay that I've brought innocent kids into the world.

Labour are making cuts to disability benefits (and in turn, carer benefits). They are looking to slash sen support in schools.

My town is being overtaken with overt criminal activity. Illegal cigarettes, money laundering business, violent crime on the increase, known drug dealers, fly tipping, etc. Nothing is done. It's just a never ending thing, they bust one and another pops up.

I've always fought against the tide of racist idiots, using politics as an excuse for violent riots. I live in a multi-cutural town, chose a very multicultural school for my kids. But I can't continue to argue with the people pointing out the rise in crimes, drugs, exploitation etc which is very visibily linked to immigration. I feel so uneasy about acknowledging how I feel about this! Guilty and a bit embarrassed. I've always been live and let live, whereas now I feel more protective, more cynical, less tolerant.

I am also gender critical and very much in favour of single sex spaces, based on biological sex. This has been a slow thing too. I've witnessed the language around women changing (cervix owner, pregnant person, chest feeding etc). I've witnessed our spaces and groups being invaded by biological men (I don't want a man on the other side of the curtain to me in a women's hospital ward, or a bra changing cubicle, or a swimming changing room.

Does anyone else feel like they are completely re-evaluating what they accept/don't accept, and what they stand for politically?

I don't currently feel there is any one political party that aligns with my ideals.

I may or may not get completely flamed, but I'm curious on other's thoughts. I will check back intermittently but I don't live on my phone/mumsnet.

This is not a troll post. I've been a mn user for over 18 years.

Nm.

The battlegrounds now are liberal v conservative.

Liberalism is now about open borders, lax policing, liberal judges, two tier justice and TWAW. These are not left wing causes. This pushes people to be more conservative who might even be on the traditional left.

The problem is the equilibrium was lost because the 'conservative' party governed as liberals for 14 years which threw everything off.

I think the mayor is furious because decent people who have paid taxes sometimes for decades are being physically ripped apart from their loved ones. Entire neighbourhoods are traumatised. Nannies have been arrested whilst looking after toddlers ffs. Mums and dads arrested in the presence of their own kids like the worst of the worst, parents not coming home from work (less than 10% caught up in this actually have a criminal record).That's the kind of horrible stuff she's pissed off about. Not the fact that celebs aren't getting their pools cleaned.

BULLSHIT.
You can retain progressive values - as in a belief in bettering society for everyone - and not fall into those ridiculous buckets. I don't believe in open borders as that's too chaotic. Things must be managed, but I also believe in the rule of law - not in a kleptocratic free for all in which a tinpot dictator can throw his country's constitution into the bin without consequences. That is most definitely not conservatism, by the way. It's a weird reactionary revolution which will destroy our societies durably.

As I say though the equilibrium got ruined because we had 13 years of liberalism and neoliberalism with New Labour in government. Then 14 years of it with a 'conservate' party. Now we've got the ultra liberal globalist in Starmer.

Its far too long a period of liberalism. Now we need 10-15 years of conservative policies just to reset the equilibrium back.

Biden's open borders policy was massively irresponsible as well though.

You need sensible policy.

Politics is easy;
Labour, in for themselves.
Conservative, in it for themselves.
Reform, in it for themselves.
Lib dems, in it for themselves.

As soon as you realise none of them do it for us serps, you stop caring.

I think that over simplifies things. Being socially liberal or conservative (with a small c) isn't necessarily linked to a person's views on social justice, public services , distribution of wealth etc. There is no longer a package which reflects left wing or right wing views.

I've never had the comfort of feeling that a political party reflected my views. I've been a floating voter and I think that's why very dogmatic, politically committed people put me off. I don't know how anyone can completely subscribe to the views of one party. I know why it is: in a democracy parties need to get elected so they have to water down their policies to be acceptable to as many people as possible. There are lots of issues on which politicians know what the 'right' course of action would be, but they'd never get elected. It's the 'problem of democracy'.

On some matters I'm left of Jeremy Corbyn and in other ways I'm very conservative. I don't think the CEO of any organisation should earn more than a reasonable multiple of the wage of the lowest paid worker. I think the minimum wage should be higher than it is and benefits more closely regulated. But I also believe in selective education - with a number of caveats, protections and safety nets. Just some examples of my political confusion!

Same here, OP.

I come from a very Labour background, but I will not be voting for them again. Since having children I have gone from being liberal to rather conservative, with a small 'c', but I wouldn't vote for the Torys either - look at the 14 years of hell they've put us through. Reform are a complete joke now. I'm politically isolated, due to a lack of backbone from anyone.

I've joined Restore Britain. Not a party, but a movement. Maybe that'll get us somewhere?

I think it's the toxic combination of having become an 'anything for money' economy and an 'anything goes' society.

There was a very interesting column by James Kanagasooriam in the Times today that I thought was quite close to grasping the situation accurately. His view, over-simplified massively here for brevity, posited a new paradigm. The competent trained trades are weighing in behind Reform as are SME businesses.They object to migration because it brings down the value of their labour. Meanwhile only the university educated rally to the Labour flag. But graduates from anything less than really hard technical science degrees are fundamentally unemployable at entry level even at NMW.

I have skin in this game before you dismiss my anecdote. DC has just said goodbye to one career plan, and made new plans. They are working 39 hrs pw in horticulture. The carrot is 2 years training on a day release scheme. It is well below the three academic A levels DC already has, and the HND too. But there's no openings in TV camera right now, and DC likes plants and gardens, and wants to earn progress.

That starkly sums it up and it's very concerning.

Who are the working class now.
Nurses have degrees now, factories have moved to China, so many people aren't working, plumbers are self employed and run their own business. Not really working for anyone,

So you’re waking up to the fact that illegal immigration isn’t good for the country and that socialism doesn’t work.

Better late than never I guess.

Rejoin for me rather. If you're talking about restoring anything, it has to start with trade. We've cut off so much oxygen supply and then wonder why there's no money to keep things running properly.

If we wasn't over populated there wouldn't be a housing crisis. I'm not against immigration as I'm first generation here but I am against baby boomer bashing. A lot of legal....repeat...legal immigrants came to the UK in the 50"s and 60"s. They had good work ethics. Didn't automatcally get benefits. Worked hard to pay their mortgages. Some of them could barely speak a word of English but they were appreciative of the opportunity this country gave them..I believe there's a falicy going around that baby boomers are all white middle class. No. They're a mixture of all nationalities and classes. They worked hard to rebuild this country after the war.They have children too. Why should they deprive their own so other people's can have somewhere to live. It's the government policies you need to blame. They want everyone equally poor. Have you not heard of the WEF? You will own nothing and be happy.