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Thread 2. To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 21:10

Thread Two for The Salt Path and Raynor Winn/Sally Walker/Sally Winn discussions.

Thread One is here: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5368194-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 08:27

ZiggyPlaysGuitarrr · 07/07/2025 08:24

With regard to his CBD. My understanding (from the 3 books!) is that there's no test to diagnose it; rather the diagnosis is given upon presentation of certain symptoms, after tests have ruled other things out.

So it's not necessarily the case that they made that up.

It could be that they were told it was CBD, or likely to be CBD, after other conditions had been ruled out, but his long and relatively healthy life has cast the diagnosis into doubt, and perhaps they felt unable to say that after things had gone so far.

It could be that he does indeed have CBD and is an outlier who's doing much better than most (after all, averages are just that).

Surely the charity for CBD wouldn't have had him as a spokesperson without basic due diligence. I know from my own illness that all the charities I've received support from or had any involvement with have required ID and medical letters.

If it turns out that the CBD story is completely fictitious then that's absolutely despicable but let's not go in with the pitchforks just yet.

I also didn't have to provide any medical evidence to my charity - just tick a box on a form to say I had the condition

Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 08:29

Stravaig · 07/07/2025 08:27

When you see someone - anyone - with a long term health condition, you see them on their better days. You don't see the pain, fatigue or all the many steps and time & effort invested to enable them to be present at that time.

You won't see the after-effects of expending the energy to be present either.
(@Comet33 )

Heading off on a tangent, but this needs to be the centrepiece of a concerted public education campaign. A dedicated day, or week, where every medical organisation, every support and advocacy group, and every single media source headlines these key points. Over and over again, until it is generally understood by everyone, whether govt decision-maker or fellow citizen in the street.

Agree. And I don't care if we derail the thread to talk about it.
When people see me, it means I am ok.
On bad days I am bed bound and can't lift my head off the pillow

AldoGordo · 07/07/2025 08:32

Pinty · 07/07/2025 08:13

The article said that they said the consultant said he had it for 7 years before the diagnosis. So that would make 18 years

I can't see this written anywhere in the main/lead Observer article. The book says Moth had experienced problems 6 years before diagnosis, so it makes sense if one knows the book but it would have been useful for the lead article to make this clear.

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 08:32

mycatismyworld · 07/07/2025 08:22

I've been unable to find any evidence of them marring on several genealogy sites. I'm. 100% Timothy ( or whatever his real name is) is from the West Midlands, and judging from his accent I'd say the Black Country. She says she's from Staffordshire but I doubt it.

They married on Skye in 1986. She was born Sally A Winn in Melton Mowbray in 1962. He was born Timothy R Walker in 1960, probably in Burton-upon-Trent, but there's another Timothy R Walker born in the same quarter of that year somewhere else, so can't say for certain.

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ZiggyPlaysGuitarrr · 07/07/2025 08:34

Stravaig · 07/07/2025 08:27

When you see someone - anyone - with a long term health condition, you see them on their better days. You don't see the pain, fatigue or all the many steps and time & effort invested to enable them to be present at that time.

You won't see the after-effects of expending the energy to be present either.
(@Comet33 )

Heading off on a tangent, but this needs to be the centrepiece of a concerted public education campaign. A dedicated day, or week, where every medical organisation, every support and advocacy group, and every single media source headlines these key points. Over and over again, until it is generally understood by everyone, whether govt decision-maker or fellow citizen in the street.

Absolutely agree with this

ThePure · 07/07/2025 08:34

I think he will have been diagnosed with CBD in good faith. It’s a bizarre thing to make up. Surely you’d pick a more common condition and scans and physical signs can’t be faked.

diagnosis is not exact in medicine and Drs can later turn out to be wrong and I expect that’s what happened here. I am sure they were told he had it and did expect him to die.

Just look at Stephen Hawking who survived an unfeasible amount of time for his diagnosis of MND (he was given 2 years and survived for 50!) but obviously was profoundly disabled and not putting it on

It may be that, as with Stephen Hawking, Moth was not re diagnosed because there was as no better fit

BarilynBordeaux · 07/07/2025 08:35

I know it's overused as a term but she has narc vibes crawling off her and this is the kind of poor me shit they do. Loved the style of the first book but always got the feeling she was coughing into a handkerchief then looking up through her eyelashes to see who was watching.

LancashireButterPie · 07/07/2025 08:35

I know a couple like these.
Totally respectable on the face of it, make lots of money for "their" charity, which they directly benefit from.
Eco warrier vegans that drive a 4l pick up truck and have their lamb chops delivered by Ocado.

My DH says their strap line should be "Hi, What can you do for us".

Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 08:36

ThePure · 07/07/2025 08:34

I think he will have been diagnosed with CBD in good faith. It’s a bizarre thing to make up. Surely you’d pick a more common condition and scans and physical signs can’t be faked.

diagnosis is not exact in medicine and Drs can later turn out to be wrong and I expect that’s what happened here. I am sure they were told he had it and did expect him to die.

Just look at Stephen Hawking who survived an unfeasible amount of time for his diagnosis of MND (he was given 2 years and survived for 50!) but obviously was profoundly disabled and not putting it on

It may be that, as with Stephen Hawking, Moth was not re diagnosed because there was as no better fit

But if that were the case their lawyer would have provided a far less waffly and "spiritual" response to the journalist

No lawyer provides a statement that stupid unless their client had nowhere else to go.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 07/07/2025 08:37

Apparently in Landlines she says there are brain scans, one showing deterioration and the next (after the walk/events of Landlines) showing a normal brain. She’s not just claiming that he was diagnosed by process of elimination. She’s also claiming to have verifiable evidence of his improvement. That’s not something that can be handwaved away if it turns out the whole thing is a lie.

Notgiftednottalented · 07/07/2025 08:38

ThePure · 07/07/2025 08:34

I think he will have been diagnosed with CBD in good faith. It’s a bizarre thing to make up. Surely you’d pick a more common condition and scans and physical signs can’t be faked.

diagnosis is not exact in medicine and Drs can later turn out to be wrong and I expect that’s what happened here. I am sure they were told he had it and did expect him to die.

Just look at Stephen Hawking who survived an unfeasible amount of time for his diagnosis of MND (he was given 2 years and survived for 50!) but obviously was profoundly disabled and not putting it on

It may be that, as with Stephen Hawking, Moth was not re diagnosed because there was as no better fit

This is not how it works. My DH has Parkinson and has some of the markers of atypical Parkinson’s on brain scans which suggests could be CBD or other atypical Parkinson’s. He still hasn’t got this as a diagnosis as he doesn’t present clinically with it and he responds to Parkinson’s meds. I am sorry, but there is no way this man was ever diagnosed with CBD by a neurologist and I find it shocking that they are pretending to.

MikeRafone · 07/07/2025 08:38

So they go on the salt path to hide from their debts and problems - not wanting to stay in a village where gossip would be in abundance about them.

They then turn the experience into a book and the book does very well. They don't leave it there though they make a film, but with actors playing their parts. The thing is they are on the tv a few times - do they not think to say no as they want privacy? The abundant tv appearances gives them away and someone somewhere has tipped of the journalist to research their past. It's unlit that the journalist has suddenly decided to investigate them and has probably had someone from their past get in touch as they've seen them on the tv

EsmaCannonball · 07/07/2025 08:38

AgitatedGoose · 07/07/2025 08:23

I believe he got admitted to hospital whilst doing the Thames path walk and didn’t do the marathon. She completed it but took around seven hours so must have been walking not running.

The trouble is he may not have been in hospital or he may have been in hospital for something relatively trivial. These were people seemingly prepared to hock raffle tickets on a home they didn't own outright and which was about to be possessed by loan sharks. They need to start producing evidence to back up all their stories.

Notgiftednottalented · 07/07/2025 08:39

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 07/07/2025 08:37

Apparently in Landlines she says there are brain scans, one showing deterioration and the next (after the walk/events of Landlines) showing a normal brain. She’s not just claiming that he was diagnosed by process of elimination. She’s also claiming to have verifiable evidence of his improvement. That’s not something that can be handwaved away if it turns out the whole thing is a lie.

Also cannot happen. It’s nonsense! It’s a degenerative disease!!

Goldenpatchwork · 07/07/2025 08:39

I wonder what the story that is ‘Saltpath’ says about the audience in markets the story has been the most successful. It’s also worth noting that the ‘Saltdines’ tour also came off the back of the success of the book. What as an audience are we complicit in.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 08:39

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 07/07/2025 08:37

Apparently in Landlines she says there are brain scans, one showing deterioration and the next (after the walk/events of Landlines) showing a normal brain. She’s not just claiming that he was diagnosed by process of elimination. She’s also claiming to have verifiable evidence of his improvement. That’s not something that can be handwaved away if it turns out the whole thing is a lie.

And there are people on here and elsewhere on social media saying that this added a layer of guilt to an already devastating diagnosis. That lying about this wasn't a victimless crime because it led people to try and walk themselves better and led people to feel guilty if they couldn't. Imagine not just suffering from a devastating terminal illness that takes your mobility but feeling guilty that it was your fault because you didn't walk enough

Bruisername · 07/07/2025 08:41

It looks like he ran the London marathon last year or the year before and it looks like they have raised a lot for the charity.

i think the best thing they could do now is come out and do an interview about his condition- whatever it is. That way there is a good bit of education to the general public about a condition that isn’t well known. They have never kept his condition private in the past so it would be odd to go coy on it now.

EsmaCannonball · 07/07/2025 08:42

They could give his consultant permission to go to the media with a full history and timeline of his diagnosis and treatment.

ClarafromHR · 07/07/2025 08:42

I didn’t like the book because I felt it was dishonest and a bit whiney when Winn wrote about no help being available and them not wanting to bother their children.
I volunteer in an NT second hand bookshop and recently we had The Salt Path on our display shelf. A visitor whispered to her friend that she didn’t like the book at all and but had had to read it for her book club. I told her that I hadn’t liked it either. We both laughed and said that we felt like the only ones.
Now I know this isn’t true.
I wonder if the Winns/Walkers will challenge any of the Observor’s article?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 07/07/2025 08:43

Notgiftednottalented · 07/07/2025 08:39

Also cannot happen. It’s nonsense! It’s a degenerative disease!!

Exactly - lying about it is utterly despicable. I think this claim alone is enough to show that the CBD story can’t possibly be true. Where are the studies into this miracle of medicine?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 07/07/2025 08:44

BarilynBordeaux · 07/07/2025 08:35

I know it's overused as a term but she has narc vibes crawling off her and this is the kind of poor me shit they do. Loved the style of the first book but always got the feeling she was coughing into a handkerchief then looking up through her eyelashes to see who was watching.

Yeah I always think in every photo she looks very pleased with herself for some reason. Knowing that she's playing the public and publishing world like fiddles may be it.

Pinty · 07/07/2025 08:44

mycatismyworld · 07/07/2025 08:22

I've been unable to find any evidence of them marring on several genealogy sites. I'm. 100% Timothy ( or whatever his real name is) is from the West Midlands, and judging from his accent I'd say the Black Country. She says she's from Staffordshire but I doubt it.

Someone further up the thread or in the previous thread found their marriage registered in Portree in the Isle of Skye

Namechangetry · 07/07/2025 08:46

CelestialCandyfloss · 07/07/2025 00:48

Omg for the love of god don't post / visit links to the Daily Fail. Scum rag.

Grow up. Then go and find out how that misogynist rag The Guardian reported wii spa and the Cologne sex attacks. Now that's a scum rag.

Comet33 · 07/07/2025 08:48

ThePure · 07/07/2025 08:34

I think he will have been diagnosed with CBD in good faith. It’s a bizarre thing to make up. Surely you’d pick a more common condition and scans and physical signs can’t be faked.

diagnosis is not exact in medicine and Drs can later turn out to be wrong and I expect that’s what happened here. I am sure they were told he had it and did expect him to die.

Just look at Stephen Hawking who survived an unfeasible amount of time for his diagnosis of MND (he was given 2 years and survived for 50!) but obviously was profoundly disabled and not putting it on

It may be that, as with Stephen Hawking, Moth was not re diagnosed because there was as no better fit

This is what I think, unless it's completely made up and that would be something else!

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