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To think “neurodivergent” is being used too casually and too often?

192 replies

MauveOrca · 06/07/2025 11:42

Every quirk or preference doesn’t mean you’re ND. I know diagnoses help some people but it feels like it’s now shorthand for anything outside the mainstream. Can we not just have variation without a label?

OP posts:
MyUmberSeal · 06/07/2025 18:35

Fringle · 06/07/2025 18:32

That’s been my life. But I’m not ‘neurodiverse’.

I like my own company, hate small talk and am generally reserved.

I’m what used to be called shy.

Have you thought about being assessed? (Sorry, I had to 🤣).

Fringle · 06/07/2025 18:50

Fargo79 · 06/07/2025 18:34

So then my comment doesn't apply to you, does it? Because I'm not talking about shyness, hating small talk or being reserved.

So what are you talking about?

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 18:57

God not another thread on this, some MNers are more obsessed with this than those with ND children. It’s weird.

Just a note some might want to think about- neurodiversity is an internet thing. Professionals discuss and diagnose autism and adhd not neurodiversity.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 18:58

Fringle · 06/07/2025 18:32

That’s been my life. But I’m not ‘neurodiverse’.

I like my own company, hate small talk and am generally reserved.

I’m what used to be called shy.

And isn’t autism, nobody would diagnose you with autism so what are you on about?

TrainGame · 06/07/2025 19:02

MrsSunshine2b · 06/07/2025 16:28

We tried that, and we still got labels.

Like lazy, stupid, scatter-brained, difficult, rude, naughty.

The problem isn't that ND people "want a label". The problem is that NT people don't do "accepting differences" unless they are forced to by law.

100% correct.

Just this week I was correcting someone on Twitter, trying to get disabled kids to disclose their ND when applying for jobs because they'd been allowed extra time for exams. She has thousands of followers and works in mainstream finance for a global media company.

Literally FO with that attitude.

It's bad enough living with a disability but then having abelist folk come along and tell you that even with that daily challenge, you should be disadvantaged further.

ND is a protected disability in law OP and I had to remind this financial sage what she was suggesting would in fact be illegal.

Just get over it.

No it's not being used to frequently.

Once you see it and see how many people are ND, you can't unsee it.

I'm celebrating it, unlike you OP by the sounds of things.

Fargo79 · 06/07/2025 19:08

Fringle · 06/07/2025 18:50

So what are you talking about?

I don't know how to make it clearer. You are just desperate to invalidate a lived experience it seems because nothing I said was hard to understand.

I was specifically speaking about the experience of being diagnosed with ADHD as an adult.

Drcoldhands · 06/07/2025 19:18

The issue I've noticed is not the number of people diagnosed, or even who should be diagnosed, but the people (who have often diagnosed themselves) who then use it's an excuse to not do things.
I'm not sure that's a good thing.

My dd has diagnosed anxiety. When she's talking, I often recognise symptoms as ones I have. Thing was, there was no opting out back then, and I developed strategies to deal with it, and mostly did. There wasn't really an option.
My dd found that at school she only had to say that her "anxiety was playing up" and it got her out of things (including year 11 mocks I will add to put a context into it). She had to develop the strategies when she went off to uni. That's harder than doing them when younger with support.
She'll now admit that there were times that she should have worked things through and it would have been better for her long term. And that she also used it as an excuse not to do things she didn't want. 🤣
She only discovered that she was stronger than she thought when put in a position that she had to work through it rather than being allowed to stop - and that was a really positive thing for her, really helped her self-esteem.

We've got a group of friends, we've met up for years and the children play/chat together while we have lunch. Now the children are 15+ it tends to be meet at a pub for lunch and we all get on well.

Now one of the families have a lad who has ASD who was diagnosed about 5 years ago. Sometimes he needs to take some time out. So eg he comes in and says "hello" and will talk through the main course, often will take himself off for the second course and normally returns afterwards when they're talking, although doesn't normally say much unless directly asked. No one minds, no one comments, and he's clearly doing what he needs to keep going. He keeps coming though, so we assume he enjoys it.

Our friendship group nearly split up over someone (they did have knowledge in the situation) suggesting around 10 years ago that one of the other families might benefit by considering diagnosis for one of their girls. Parents hit the roof with "not labelling" etc.

However about a year ago that family announced that they couldn't be expected to stay for the chat/join in because they were all NT. They haven't had official diagnosis, but they've decided the whole family is.
Tbf they're probably right.

This meant they sat through the meal, played with phones, and left at the end quickly hardly speaking to anyone.

This time they all arrived, sat without speaking on their phones the entire time, and the girls had headphones on, with music going, and were moaning from halfway through the meal that their "sensory overload was too bad and they needed to go home". There was a mixup with some of the food (we order in advance), and they just grabbed what they wanted and said they couldn't be expected to compromise because they were NT, even though it left someone else short.
Any time they were asked to do anything/say anything/ move their chair 1" so someone else could fit comfortably they couldn't because "they were NT".

Now we are as a group more than happy to compromise and make allowances - and we have done.
But what strikes me is that they expected everyone else to do all the compromising (which did include the lad with ASD) and any discussion was shut down with "we can't because we are NT" but also, a year ago they all came, joined in and appeared to enjoy it.

So what's happened in a year? The more they don't join in, the harder it is for them to join in.
If it's really what makes them happy, then we're happy to let them come on their own terms. But let's be realistic. Is it really helping them, especially the girls to opt out when they have done it for years?
I'm sure people are going to say "if it's what they want to do," but will that actually be helpful long term? I think that's something that needs to be looked at.

No3392 · 06/07/2025 19:21

Less than 7% of adults are diagnosed with any neuro diversity, such as ADHD and it autism.

Sooooo no

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 19:24

Drcoldhands · 06/07/2025 19:18

The issue I've noticed is not the number of people diagnosed, or even who should be diagnosed, but the people (who have often diagnosed themselves) who then use it's an excuse to not do things.
I'm not sure that's a good thing.

My dd has diagnosed anxiety. When she's talking, I often recognise symptoms as ones I have. Thing was, there was no opting out back then, and I developed strategies to deal with it, and mostly did. There wasn't really an option.
My dd found that at school she only had to say that her "anxiety was playing up" and it got her out of things (including year 11 mocks I will add to put a context into it). She had to develop the strategies when she went off to uni. That's harder than doing them when younger with support.
She'll now admit that there were times that she should have worked things through and it would have been better for her long term. And that she also used it as an excuse not to do things she didn't want. 🤣
She only discovered that she was stronger than she thought when put in a position that she had to work through it rather than being allowed to stop - and that was a really positive thing for her, really helped her self-esteem.

We've got a group of friends, we've met up for years and the children play/chat together while we have lunch. Now the children are 15+ it tends to be meet at a pub for lunch and we all get on well.

Now one of the families have a lad who has ASD who was diagnosed about 5 years ago. Sometimes he needs to take some time out. So eg he comes in and says "hello" and will talk through the main course, often will take himself off for the second course and normally returns afterwards when they're talking, although doesn't normally say much unless directly asked. No one minds, no one comments, and he's clearly doing what he needs to keep going. He keeps coming though, so we assume he enjoys it.

Our friendship group nearly split up over someone (they did have knowledge in the situation) suggesting around 10 years ago that one of the other families might benefit by considering diagnosis for one of their girls. Parents hit the roof with "not labelling" etc.

However about a year ago that family announced that they couldn't be expected to stay for the chat/join in because they were all NT. They haven't had official diagnosis, but they've decided the whole family is.
Tbf they're probably right.

This meant they sat through the meal, played with phones, and left at the end quickly hardly speaking to anyone.

This time they all arrived, sat without speaking on their phones the entire time, and the girls had headphones on, with music going, and were moaning from halfway through the meal that their "sensory overload was too bad and they needed to go home". There was a mixup with some of the food (we order in advance), and they just grabbed what they wanted and said they couldn't be expected to compromise because they were NT, even though it left someone else short.
Any time they were asked to do anything/say anything/ move their chair 1" so someone else could fit comfortably they couldn't because "they were NT".

Now we are as a group more than happy to compromise and make allowances - and we have done.
But what strikes me is that they expected everyone else to do all the compromising (which did include the lad with ASD) and any discussion was shut down with "we can't because we are NT" but also, a year ago they all came, joined in and appeared to enjoy it.

So what's happened in a year? The more they don't join in, the harder it is for them to join in.
If it's really what makes them happy, then we're happy to let them come on their own terms. But let's be realistic. Is it really helping them, especially the girls to opt out when they have done it for years?
I'm sure people are going to say "if it's what they want to do," but will that actually be helpful long term? I think that's something that needs to be looked at.

Anxiety is not the same as being Auyistic. Autistic people are often dealing with anxiety, depression and one or two ND on top.

Opting in isn’t helpful. Autistic people hide the damage it does. It’s much better for their MH to not mask and be far kinder to themselves.

MyUmberSeal · 06/07/2025 19:33

Drcoldhands · 06/07/2025 19:18

The issue I've noticed is not the number of people diagnosed, or even who should be diagnosed, but the people (who have often diagnosed themselves) who then use it's an excuse to not do things.
I'm not sure that's a good thing.

My dd has diagnosed anxiety. When she's talking, I often recognise symptoms as ones I have. Thing was, there was no opting out back then, and I developed strategies to deal with it, and mostly did. There wasn't really an option.
My dd found that at school she only had to say that her "anxiety was playing up" and it got her out of things (including year 11 mocks I will add to put a context into it). She had to develop the strategies when she went off to uni. That's harder than doing them when younger with support.
She'll now admit that there were times that she should have worked things through and it would have been better for her long term. And that she also used it as an excuse not to do things she didn't want. 🤣
She only discovered that she was stronger than she thought when put in a position that she had to work through it rather than being allowed to stop - and that was a really positive thing for her, really helped her self-esteem.

We've got a group of friends, we've met up for years and the children play/chat together while we have lunch. Now the children are 15+ it tends to be meet at a pub for lunch and we all get on well.

Now one of the families have a lad who has ASD who was diagnosed about 5 years ago. Sometimes he needs to take some time out. So eg he comes in and says "hello" and will talk through the main course, often will take himself off for the second course and normally returns afterwards when they're talking, although doesn't normally say much unless directly asked. No one minds, no one comments, and he's clearly doing what he needs to keep going. He keeps coming though, so we assume he enjoys it.

Our friendship group nearly split up over someone (they did have knowledge in the situation) suggesting around 10 years ago that one of the other families might benefit by considering diagnosis for one of their girls. Parents hit the roof with "not labelling" etc.

However about a year ago that family announced that they couldn't be expected to stay for the chat/join in because they were all NT. They haven't had official diagnosis, but they've decided the whole family is.
Tbf they're probably right.

This meant they sat through the meal, played with phones, and left at the end quickly hardly speaking to anyone.

This time they all arrived, sat without speaking on their phones the entire time, and the girls had headphones on, with music going, and were moaning from halfway through the meal that their "sensory overload was too bad and they needed to go home". There was a mixup with some of the food (we order in advance), and they just grabbed what they wanted and said they couldn't be expected to compromise because they were NT, even though it left someone else short.
Any time they were asked to do anything/say anything/ move their chair 1" so someone else could fit comfortably they couldn't because "they were NT".

Now we are as a group more than happy to compromise and make allowances - and we have done.
But what strikes me is that they expected everyone else to do all the compromising (which did include the lad with ASD) and any discussion was shut down with "we can't because we are NT" but also, a year ago they all came, joined in and appeared to enjoy it.

So what's happened in a year? The more they don't join in, the harder it is for them to join in.
If it's really what makes them happy, then we're happy to let them come on their own terms. But let's be realistic. Is it really helping them, especially the girls to opt out when they have done it for years?
I'm sure people are going to say "if it's what they want to do," but will that actually be helpful long term? I think that's something that needs to be looked at.

Excellent post.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 19:38

MyUmberSeal · 06/07/2025 19:33

Excellent post.

No quite an ignorant post. Just putting up and shutting up and pushing through nearly killed my dd. It’s why so many ND girls fall to pieces when they hit secondary school.

Fearfulsaints · 06/07/2025 19:45

I think ND is purposely a bit vague and used when people dont to give personal information about which diagnosis they have.

Or when a service decides to cater for something in more of a lip service way.

Perimenoanti · 06/07/2025 19:48

Yes. I sometimes think some ND people attribute every flaw to their ND. It's ridiculous at times. Like NT people don't have messy houses, don't run late for everything or aren't socially awkward.

Fargo79 · 06/07/2025 19:51

MyUmberSeal · 06/07/2025 19:33

Excellent post.

🤣 no it isn't.

It's a lot of waffling about a friendship group, conflating anxiety with ADHD and autism, being judgemental about other families, and the overriding message is "put up and shut up, neuro divergent people".

It probably seems like an excellent post if your agenda is to deny and minimise the experience of people with ADHD and ASD.

MissAmbrosia · 06/07/2025 19:52

I think the world has changed so much and there are demands on people that there never were in the past. If you were shy, or quirky, or nerdy etc it was maybe easier to find your place in society and a role that suited you better. Nowadays everything is full on - from constant testing in schools, to everyone needing Uni to get a job, to requirements for networking, to constant barrage of social media and expectation that you should be out there doing x,y,z. Thinking of ASD as the spectrum it is, it's no wonder to me that some people who might have coped fine, 30, 40, 50 years are now struggling. Modern life is too intense. I had ancestors who made gloves, or did market gardening. Compare that to working in an Amazon warehouse with strict rules and deadlines. As an example...

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 19:52

Fargo79 · 06/07/2025 19:51

🤣 no it isn't.

It's a lot of waffling about a friendship group, conflating anxiety with ADHD and autism, being judgemental about other families, and the overriding message is "put up and shut up, neuro divergent people".

It probably seems like an excellent post if your agenda is to deny and minimise the experience of people with ADHD and ASD.

This! 👏

Fargo79 · 06/07/2025 19:54

Fearfulsaints · 06/07/2025 19:45

I think ND is purposely a bit vague and used when people dont to give personal information about which diagnosis they have.

Or when a service decides to cater for something in more of a lip service way.

Sometimes people don't want to disclose their diagnoses. Neuro diversity encompasses a range of diagnoses, not just ASD and ADHD. It's unrealistic to expect an organisation or service to type out every possible neuro type on a flier for example. Sometimes shorthand is required.

TY78910 · 06/07/2025 19:56

FloofyBird · 06/07/2025 15:43

This gets posted like every week

I clicked on this thread to say the same.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 19:57

Fearfulsaints · 06/07/2025 19:45

I think ND is purposely a bit vague and used when people dont to give personal information about which diagnosis they have.

Or when a service decides to cater for something in more of a lip service way.

Services don’t use the term neurodiversity and they don’t pay lip service to it either. They use the correct names and are the ones pushing for diagnosis for good reason. The NHS has policies and hospital passports for autistic people because it helps them to have autistic people properly catered for, CAMHS often push for diagnosis because it helps them to deliver better provision, ditto eating disorder services….

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 19:57

TY78910 · 06/07/2025 19:56

I clicked on this thread to say the same.

Yep it’s weird, somebody is disturbingly obsessed .

TY78910 · 06/07/2025 20:00

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 19:57

Yep it’s weird, somebody is disturbingly obsessed .

Starting to wonder if it’s the same person just NC every week.

Fearfulsaints · 06/07/2025 20:01

Fargo79 · 06/07/2025 19:54

Sometimes people don't want to disclose their diagnoses. Neuro diversity encompasses a range of diagnoses, not just ASD and ADHD. It's unrealistic to expect an organisation or service to type out every possible neuro type on a flier for example. Sometimes shorthand is required.

Yes the want was missing from my post. But that's exactly what I meant.

Uderstand neurodiversity is incredibly broad and I often can't be arsed to give personal medical information out to people.

I am sure they can't type out every neurodiversity on a flyer, but I also can't see how they can be friendly to such a broad range of needs that often contradict each other either. I dont find that organisations that say they are neurodivergent friendly seem any better or worse than others. It seems more about luck and understanding.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 20:02

TY78910 · 06/07/2025 20:00

Starting to wonder if it’s the same person just NC every week.

I strongly suspect it is.

VerityUnreasonble · 06/07/2025 20:05

Part of the issue is defining neurodiversity.

In various professional training sessions I've been told that it not only includes things like ASD and ADHD but potentially things like generalised anxiety, bipolar, trauma and even perimenopause all under a big ND umbrella.

Which is starting to make it sound like NT is a minority outweighed by the huge ND umbrella and therefore maybe NT is really just a whole other sort of ND??

As a person with ASD (and a collection of other letters that may now fit under the umbrella), with a child with ASD, I'm not really sure the term ND is doing us any favours. It feels like it just waters everything down to become almost meaningless. In the circumstances I need to tell anyone I'd much rather just say I have ASD, so at least people might have a clue what I mean.

Fearfulsaints · 06/07/2025 20:06

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 19:57

Services don’t use the term neurodiversity and they don’t pay lip service to it either. They use the correct names and are the ones pushing for diagnosis for good reason. The NHS has policies and hospital passports for autistic people because it helps them to have autistic people properly catered for, CAMHS often push for diagnosis because it helps them to deliver better provision, ditto eating disorder services….

I was more thinking of organisation's o have come across that do things like Pride in thier shop windows, or tourist sites, or may fairs etc, or employers at career fairs. And my personal experience is that some are indeed paying lip service. I turn up and they have zero interest in supporting my sons neurodiversity in the slightest.

Not hospital services, where the correct terms are used.

Sorry for any confusion by the term services! But nhs was not what I meant at all.
.