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... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

817 replies

ohime · 06/07/2025 11:04

Or, more accurately: AIBU to be afraid that truly nasty piece of work Nigel Farage who has, by all accounts, always been utterly useless at (or at least completely uninterested in) the actual business end of governing will be our next PM because everyone is so fed up with all the other parties being, variously or all at once, so corrupt, incompetent and useless that we've collectively abandoned all hope? I will never vote for Farage, who is a horrible man, or any of his party which keeps having to fire people for being just a teensy bit too overtly racist - but it seems from the polls that for many people the choice against the status quo outweighs what we may be choosing. (For an example, I can't believe that Farage's stated position that DOGE in the US didn't go far enough with its swinging cuts to the social safety net would be popular with UK voters who recently elected a government on the basis that it would reverse years of Tory austerity... not that that's worked out so well...)

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CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:16

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:01

Nobody was referring to anything other than fees.

Sorry just realised that sounded a bit snotty...was responding to multiple posts.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:18

Hendil · 06/07/2025 19:16

Labour is really for those that work in the public sector, that is all they are bothered about.

I think the current Labour government have lots of failings, but I hadn't really liked at this perspective. Can you expand a bit?

I'm in the public sector and feel a little more than the issues we deal with are seen by them (do t think I would in the NHS though).

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 19:19

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:01

Nobody was referring to anything other than fees.

Arghhh you just posted a link to business rates, I really think this might be beyond you. I know this won’t be a popular view, but I do think there should be a minimum IQ for voting.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:22

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 19:19

Arghhh you just posted a link to business rates, I really think this might be beyond you. I know this won’t be a popular view, but I do think there should be a minimum IQ for voting.

Edited

Responded to wrong person..

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:24

Although the title makes reference to business rates it's talks about the impact on VAT in paragraph 3. Go past the title.

Hendil · 06/07/2025 19:25

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:18

I think the current Labour government have lots of failings, but I hadn't really liked at this perspective. Can you expand a bit?

I'm in the public sector and feel a little more than the issues we deal with are seen by them (do t think I would in the NHS though).

I don't want to be here all night

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 19:26

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:22

Responded to wrong person..

Edited

No, to correct my typo. I missed out ‘be’ after won’t

Julen7 · 06/07/2025 19:27

Hendil · 06/07/2025 19:25

I don't want to be here all night

You will be

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 19:28

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:24

Although the title makes reference to business rates it's talks about the impact on VAT in paragraph 3. Go past the title.

LOL you are beyond help. Good luck @CleverButScatty

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:28

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 19:13

Closer now, but you’re still not there. Give your ‘precious’ links one more read.

Edited

Have you really edited your post to reference a typo? That's a little embarrassing. Posting on Mumsnet is the closest you get to doing anything meaningful in the world it seems.

The reference is in paragraph 3 to VAT.

What is your point anyway? You seemed to insinuate that there was another 'major' policy that had been missed out of the discussion. Was this what you were on about, that I had paraphrased the VAT changes rather than linking the exact wording?

Now we've clarified that, do you want to link theirs back to the thread topic about the possibility of NF becoming PM?

Parmaviollets · 06/07/2025 19:28

A latest pole said 290 seats for reform

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:29

Julen7 · 06/07/2025 19:27

You will be

Yeah I already posted to say wrong person. It was another poster being hilarious.

SquishedMallow · 06/07/2025 19:29

CyclingAddict · 06/07/2025 11:57

Why can’t people not see that if we carry on the way we are going, where our Taxes are supporting the thousands who come into our country every week, that this country is going to completely collapse?

we already have a drowning NHS, overcrowded Prisons, unsafe roads..

i don’t mind a rise in Taxes to pay for everything, we just need to be able to see where our money is going. Get Britain Great again!

NF is the only one who is talking any sense!

Because they live in a leafy suburb, write fluffy assignments to work in their white collar jobs and the immigrants they work with are educated and working in high earning jobs. They're totally blinkered. I blame universities for spreading Extreme left wing ideologies onto impressionable teens and advertising grass roots working people as "racist bigots ". They'd be in for a very big suprise if they visited a rough block on an inner city or a deprived seaside town. All whilst allowed to attack the very people that are living in these situations and suffering for it. White lesser educated boys turning to Andrew tate not enough of a wake up call ? Men calling themselves lesbians? Men with different cultures regarding treatment of women sexually assualting young girls near refugee centres ? Nope: just racist bigots aren't they the people that dare put the heads above the parapet to voice concern and propose a link ?

And I can speak as someone that grew up in a deprived working class area from a very working class family but now have a life and job that our class obsessed society would label as "middle class" and I've seen both sides. I work with some fucking awesome immigrants: but I'm not so blinkered to realise that the represent the immigrants rocking up on boats into deprived towns. Completely different kettle of fish. But oh no : any opposition, just racist bigots hey. People gave had enough of being silenced. And it's the poor and lesser educated that are being successfully silenced. Guess they matter less ? Easier to call names ? Can't stick up for themselves articulately and veil it like the more educated can ? They've had enough and although I have no skin in the game : I've seen what they see.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:33

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 19:28

LOL you are beyond help. Good luck @CleverButScatty

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10125/#:~:text=In%20the%202024%20Autumn%20Budget,to%20bring%20it%20into%20effect.

This link focuses just on the VAT, if that helps.

What is your point? Do you not think VAT has been added on. Do you disagree with this move? Approve of it?

Freud2 · 06/07/2025 19:37

ThejoyofNC · 06/07/2025 11:24

I certainly hope he is.

At this point just to upset the boring idiots who just keep saying "aaaah he's so racist" on repeat.

I don't think he has a racist bone in his body - he just want us to be able to control our own borders which most people want if they have.any sense.
In interviews he's the only politician that actually answers the question. Also he speaks from.the heart, rarely uses notes or autocues as the other MPs and our dear Prime Minister does.

EdwinaIronside · 06/07/2025 19:39

The insult “racist” is thrown about with such abandon that it’s almost entirely lost any kind of meaning.

gamerchick · 06/07/2025 19:41

Freud2 · 06/07/2025 19:37

I don't think he has a racist bone in his body - he just want us to be able to control our own borders which most people want if they have.any sense.
In interviews he's the only politician that actually answers the question. Also he speaks from.the heart, rarely uses notes or autocues as the other MPs and our dear Prime Minister does.

And how is he going to do that?

MasterBeth · 06/07/2025 19:41

Farage is undeniably a racist:

hopenothate.org.uk/2024/09/24/everything-you-need-to-know-farage/

Fangisnotacoward · 06/07/2025 19:42

My only hope is now they have so many councillors the voting public will realise before the next GE exactly who they are.

The thought if reform in charge is terrifying. But they are talking to thousands of people who are disillusioned who feel like the other parties are ignoring them. Worrying times indeed.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:46

SquishedMallow · 06/07/2025 19:29

Because they live in a leafy suburb, write fluffy assignments to work in their white collar jobs and the immigrants they work with are educated and working in high earning jobs. They're totally blinkered. I blame universities for spreading Extreme left wing ideologies onto impressionable teens and advertising grass roots working people as "racist bigots ". They'd be in for a very big suprise if they visited a rough block on an inner city or a deprived seaside town. All whilst allowed to attack the very people that are living in these situations and suffering for it. White lesser educated boys turning to Andrew tate not enough of a wake up call ? Men calling themselves lesbians? Men with different cultures regarding treatment of women sexually assualting young girls near refugee centres ? Nope: just racist bigots aren't they the people that dare put the heads above the parapet to voice concern and propose a link ?

And I can speak as someone that grew up in a deprived working class area from a very working class family but now have a life and job that our class obsessed society would label as "middle class" and I've seen both sides. I work with some fucking awesome immigrants: but I'm not so blinkered to realise that the represent the immigrants rocking up on boats into deprived towns. Completely different kettle of fish. But oh no : any opposition, just racist bigots hey. People gave had enough of being silenced. And it's the poor and lesser educated that are being successfully silenced. Guess they matter less ? Easier to call names ? Can't stick up for themselves articulately and veil it like the more educated can ? They've had enough and although I have no skin in the game : I've seen what they see.

Where do you think middle class people (hate that phrase anyway, it's a long time since we neatly fitted into classes) live, Mars?

In most of the country cities and towns have cheap and expensive areas but share town centres etc. Mumsnet is very London centric and gentrified I find, but that doesn't represent most of the UK.

My town centre has gone to the pits, but I don't see an over representation of immigrants in the issues. And we are near one of the areas where people have been housed in hotels etc.

And extremely left wingism at universities? Where did you go to uni? Mine certainly wasn't a hotbed of any such thing. It was much more boring sadly 😂

I genuinely think its just too easy to make immigrants a scapegoat for a lot that is wrong with our country... And almost all of the negatives that affect ordinary people (trying to get a GP appointment, hospital waiting lists, education, potholes, run down town centres as retail parks take over, lack of housing affordability, zero hours contracts, cost of living generally) have all got worse under the utterly right wing Tory government we had for the last 10 years.

You talk about people who go to uni as though they are really privileged. Not only are student bodies much more diverse, but the starting salaries in any public sector roles is barely above min wage and these people will absolutely be living in these working class communities and deprived areas we are talking about. Not all but they will definitely be represented. In my team salaries range from admin staff on 24k to experienced practitioners on 37k. Many single parents, some with disabilities etc. many live in council houses, ex council houses, are not in secure housing etc.

I think you're creating a divide where there isn't one.
I grew up in Knowsley, Merseyside on one of the most deprived areas in the UK. My family all still live there. There are so many issues on the borough, none of which are caused by immigration.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:47

EdwinaIronside · 06/07/2025 19:39

The insult “racist” is thrown about with such abandon that it’s almost entirely lost any kind of meaning.

Edited

Can you give an example of when the term racist is used inappropriately?

BlueSlate · 06/07/2025 19:50

HiddenRiver · 06/07/2025 12:42

Surely people are not that silly to believe “People voted for Labour expecting to get a Blair or whatever style government. The Labour of old.”?!

There is no money. It’s not possible. The landscape is entirely different to 1997. The easiest thing to do is spend money - but sadly Starmer didn’t inherit John Major’s amazing late 90s economy. The one with No aging population problems, no welfare dependency, etc etc.

Whoever is in office from now on has it rough and I’ve no idea why anyone would want to be in government tbh.

They certainly didn't think WFP for the elderly would be stopped, or that disability payments would he attacked or that council housing tenure would be under threat.

SamiSnail · 06/07/2025 19:51

He will be, I'd bet money on it. And it's a worry. It's all the fault of Labour, they've did this to themselves (and to the UK) really.

SquishedMallow · 06/07/2025 19:57

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 19:46

Where do you think middle class people (hate that phrase anyway, it's a long time since we neatly fitted into classes) live, Mars?

In most of the country cities and towns have cheap and expensive areas but share town centres etc. Mumsnet is very London centric and gentrified I find, but that doesn't represent most of the UK.

My town centre has gone to the pits, but I don't see an over representation of immigrants in the issues. And we are near one of the areas where people have been housed in hotels etc.

And extremely left wingism at universities? Where did you go to uni? Mine certainly wasn't a hotbed of any such thing. It was much more boring sadly 😂

I genuinely think its just too easy to make immigrants a scapegoat for a lot that is wrong with our country... And almost all of the negatives that affect ordinary people (trying to get a GP appointment, hospital waiting lists, education, potholes, run down town centres as retail parks take over, lack of housing affordability, zero hours contracts, cost of living generally) have all got worse under the utterly right wing Tory government we had for the last 10 years.

You talk about people who go to uni as though they are really privileged. Not only are student bodies much more diverse, but the starting salaries in any public sector roles is barely above min wage and these people will absolutely be living in these working class communities and deprived areas we are talking about. Not all but they will definitely be represented. In my team salaries range from admin staff on 24k to experienced practitioners on 37k. Many single parents, some with disabilities etc. many live in council houses, ex council houses, are not in secure housing etc.

I think you're creating a divide where there isn't one.
I grew up in Knowsley, Merseyside on one of the most deprived areas in the UK. My family all still live there. There are so many issues on the borough, none of which are caused by immigration.

Articulate post, so thankyou for that reply.

However, if you look at countries where they are not afraid to say "no" to mass immigration: they just do not have the problems that the UK and France in particular have, who's level of illegal migration is higher. Switzerland for example quite simply doesn't want immigrants/refugees . Their country is extremely ordered. Nobody shouts "bigot. Racist" at them. Because people respect them. In the UK the more we've bent over backwards to accommodate every single minority group , the less respect we've obtained. Unfortunately, that's kind of how humanity (for some reason) works : the more you give, the more you'll be required to give. The more lenient the boundaries, the more they'll be stretched. We've proved that really (look at the country !) sometimes a level of reasonableness Is needed. An ability to say a flat "no" to unreasonable requests. An ability to smell bullshit and call it out (people fleeing persecution do not pass by a load of safe European countries. The end ) they might want to be near family /English speakers? Well they don't have that luxury if they're fleeing persecution, it's just common sense. If you're running away from a knife wielder, you hide in the nearest safe place until opportunities afford you more.

Youdontseehow · 06/07/2025 20:10

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:35

I don't think I have seen anyone say that someone is stupid because of how they vote.

Only when they make claims they can't back up, or refuse to engage when questioned on the points they make.

I literally quoted someone saying “people are stupid”! Someone else upthread also used the word “dumb”.