... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

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Or, more accurately: AIBU to be afraid that truly nasty piece of work Nigel Farage who has, by all accounts, always been utterly useless at (or at least completely uninterested in) the actual business end of governing will be our next PM because everyone is so fed up with all the other parties being, variously or all at once, so corrupt, incompetent and useless that we've collectively abandoned all hope? I will never vote for Farage, who is a horrible man, or any of his party which keeps having to fire people for being just a teensy bit too overtly racist - but it seems from the polls that for many people the choice against the status quo outweighs what we may be choosing. (For an example, I can't believe that Farage's stated position that DOGE in the US didn't go far enough with its swinging cuts to the social safety net would be popular with UK voters who recently elected a government on the basis that it would reverse years of Tory austerity... not that that's worked out so well...)

It wasn't 'the left' setting fire to hotels and putting shop windows in last summer, was it? It wasn't the left who had to admit to spreading misinformation about the Southport incident that incited the riots, was it? But yeah, lefty 'hysterical shrieking' is a real issue, of course.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/nigel-farage-admits-getting-caught-up-in-andrew-tates-misinformation-following-s/ (source)

Well. it could happen. The mere thought of it sends me out of my mind with terror, which I know is not a constructive state of mind if one wishes to find the best ways to combat the danger.

There are 4 more years to the election, and a lot could happen before then. I do think we need to try and learn more from countries like Canada and Australia, where right-wing parties were recently defeated.

😂better to read the Guardian than lick the screen when Rees-Mogg is on GBNews, I'd say.

There is zero chance of Farage being out next PM. His tiny cohort of MPs is already diminishing due to dodgy dealings. He's got two councils where teenagers are in charge of Adult and Child Social Services - can you imagine the inappropriateness of that? The calibre of Reform candidates in the last election was piss poor, basically if they offered to stand they got the nod. My Reform regional mayor is an ex Olympic boxer with zero experience of anything other than hitting other men. The scales will fall from the eyes of the rabid right-wingers and poor people. Farage is a man who looks after himself, voted to leave the EU while living abroad with his German wife and children.

The fact that you can’t get your head around it and understand people’s opposition to illegal migration or support for Reform points to a deficiency in your own critical thinking. So rather than rail against ‘thick’ people as you like to call them, perhaps take a look in the mirror.

People

If you mean you think that, say you think that.

This weird "people are saying" rather than I think is very disingenuous. And hard to counteract because is someone says "that's silly" you can counteract with "going around calling people silly are you? No wonder people are voting for reform of what they think is dismissed as silly". And means the only evidence you need to provide is evidence of people saying something, not that what they are saying is true

If people think Labour's 'magic money tree' is a worry, they need to examine Reform's plans very closely. They aren't going to save the economy, their plans are either uncosted, or pie in the sky and would require a money tree many times larger than that of the current government.

What don’t think of the calibre of Labour MPs. Most of them would struggle to spell their own name.

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Awww, you really aren’t in a good place are you. Hopefully, you’ll feel better soon.

Couldn’t agree more. Sick of being told how thick we are, the whole point of democracy is the majority vote wins - except those like OP who think they know better want it their own way 🤷‍♀️

Oh come on, I hear it time and time again - "no, dont call people stupid, it will hurt their fe-feels and they will be stomping their feet and voting fascists and it will be your fault!" - well, I dont give a fuck about their feeling, because Brexit is massively stupid, it hurt the country and anyone who is not prepared to accept it is a complete idiot. As anyone who thinks Farage is a valid answer to whatever issues they are having with the current/ past government.

I very much doubt he'll ever be PM. But there is a chance we'll have a Conservative-Reform coalition. I hope so anyway. Mainstream politicians have made it perfectly clear they are not going to do anything about immigration. Well if they're not going to listen, I'll try Reform. Everywhere I look in my home town I see groups of young immigrant men wandering around. My local woods have been cut down to make way for two massive new estates, a second massive estate has been built at the other end of the village, and now the fields in the centre of the village are being built on as well. I would say that well over half the people who've moved onto those new estates weren't born in the UK. The traffic is so awful many parts of town are no-go areas at certain times of the week.

There is a university near me, and it's open knowledge that students are exploiting the visa system. I have a friend whose son in law works for a university admission department. He says he's raised this problem with the authorities and been told not to make waves (i.e shut your mouth). I want a government that not only tightens the borders but deports illegal immigrants, especially those who break the law. It just shows what a strangehold the left have over this debate that we even need to discuss it. If I entered Australia illegally, I would expect to be deported. And if I broke the law, I would definitely expect to be deported. Christ, I have even seen someone who called for a foreign rapist to be deported described as 'right-wing'! That's how insane some people truly are.

And this pressure on Europe's borders is never going to end. People bang on about declining birth rates, but the world's population is still rising. Africa's birth rate is the highest in the world, and the African population is going to double. I quite like Kemi Badenoch, and wouldn't mind her as PM in a coalition with Reform. If Labour win at the next election I shudder to think what will happen.

People will be voting "extreme right wing parties" because they hold extreme right wing views. Come on, lets call spade a spade. They will be voting fascists because they are fascist, why all this pretence they are forced to do it by whatever?

Honestly, it's your own time you're wasting with the pass-agg responses. It is fascinating how you're consistently failing to engage with any of the other posters' points, though.

Do you genuinely believe that some current Labour MPs couldn't spell their own name? I mean, is that an actual argument you're advancing there? It seems...unlikely.

The Democrats certainly shone with evil speak yesterday on the subject of floods and lives lost in Texas.
Yes, they were really pleased it happened in a red state, because it proves to those doubters that there is climate change.
Nastiness is not exclusive to left, right or the middle.

Points? Yes, your points upthread indeed. Incoherent, hysterical abusive rant. Explains a lot to be honest.

Oh god I am trying not to use the trope of reform voters being a bit thick. But you're making it challenging!

You spoke on behalf of the general public. I pointed out that many of the general public don't share your views and didn't at the last GE. I.e. you have the right to speak for yourself but not the general public of an entire country.

There was no reference to the next election.

Perhaps Reform will get more votes at the next GE. Perhaps not. Some councils are now reform and have a chance to prove they can do other things as well as shouting about immigrants. Let's see how they do. There are some meaty issues in local government around social care, SEND and deficits in other areas to tackle. They will certainly have the change to show it of they are capable of any more. We're all watching.

There is talk of a new left wing party under Corbyn, who knows what that will look like. If that happens I can see that there end up being more coalition governments in the future, variously leaning left or right.

Reform may pick up some more votes but it's a long way to go for a majority.

Putting the issue of immigration aside, what other ways do you feel your life would be better under a reform government?

Shone with evil speak. You sound like you're from Gilead!

Incoherent? Oh, sorry, you should've just said if you didn't understand it. I can draw pictures, if you like?

Look you struggle with basic comprehension probably because you are a typical hysterical shrieker on the left who thinks that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong, thick. Or a reform voter. You have no idea how I vote or if at all.

I would ask you to point me to where I have said things will be better under reform. But since you struggle with basic comprehension, you probably won’t even understand the question.

Go ahead, it’s what you need to do get this hysteria out of your system. Happy to help however I can.

Yes I definitely come out of these posts as the hysterical one.
You spoke on behalf of the entire general public (I'm mean that's pretty arrogant, but let's move on).
I pointed out that you can only speak for you and made reference to the last GE. You responded by talking about the next GE.

I'll leave you to it.

I think you need to look up what the word hysteria means.
You have responded to a number of calm, measured posts which disagree with you by labelling the poster 'hysterical'.

Would you mind sharing your sources for these figures? Thanks