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Non-binary teacher?

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Thompson198 · 04/07/2025 07:23

Name change.
I’ve got a 5 year old daughter due to go into year 2 in September. We’ve just been told that the teacher for next year is a non-binary/‘non-gender-conforming’ man who wants to be referred to by ‘Mx’ (pronounced mix) and they/them pronouns.
Quite a few of the parents have already complained and started looking for other places at local schools because of this.
what do you think?
My daughter has SEN and is one of the youngest in her class, I worry how she’s going to be able to keep up with the pronouns and understand this without us having to teach her about gender ideology at her age. My husband is extremely against teaching her gender ideology, especially so young, I’m not the most positive about it either but don’t feel as strongly as him. He also doesn’t want her being at the school in September but they have been very supportive for her so far and I’m concerned it might not be the same elsewhere.
Thoughts? How would you feel if this was your child’s teacher?

OP posts:
PPPPikachu · 04/07/2025 11:09

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:03

Jesus Christ, what a reach of an opinion based on knowing zero about this human

It’s not a reach given everything we’ve seen over the last decade of this hideous movement.

Any human adopting non binary status is being very clear what their beliefs are and very clear in showing how close to a fascist line they walk. It is not a benign situation, it is an ideology festering in misogyny, populated by people who uphold their factless belief system and trample on anyone who questions it. We’ve literally seen this happen over and over again. The threats towards anyone who questions it, the arrests and attacks of women, the harassment towards women from the very people you’re trying to say are harmless - we’ve literally lived this.

TimeFliesin2046 · 04/07/2025 11:09

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:07

BUT you don't actually KNOW anyone's sex. You assume that a 'she' has a vag and grew her own boobs. She might not have either. I appear to have boobs but it's all foam and elastic 😂

Humans evolved to be able to tell what sex someone is, even from the briefest of glances. We can do so to a very high degree. It's highly unlikely you'd be wrong in your assessment whether it's a flat chested woman or a man with fake boobs.

borntobequiet · 04/07/2025 11:09

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:03

Jesus Christ, what a reach of an opinion based on knowing zero about this human

It’s based on documented experience of other such teachers’ influence in schools up and down the country.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:10

peachescariad · 04/07/2025 10:58

6 year olds will be very familiar with Mr/Mrs/Miss/Lord/Lady/Majesty etc.. but not all this gender bollocks crap like Mx....

Well I've just had a chat with the year 7s (I'm in a lesson with them) and asked if they'd ever heard addressing someone as Mx...

'What, you mean like calling a teacher Mix Smith not Mr Smith?'
Me - 'yes'
'what? that doesn't even make sense'
'Like mixing a cake?'
'I'd call him Mixter smith?'
'No! little mix smith!'
'Big mix Smith!'
'You sound like you've got a lisp'
'What if his first name is Mick....Mix Mick Smith'.....lots of laughing....

Yeah don't think it's going to go down well with 6 year olds.

Actually, the way you've described it as fab. The kids will have a blast and as long as the teacher embraces the general silliness, it will be a bonding moment.

I'd love a teacher that silly for my DC.

borntobequiet · 04/07/2025 11:10

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:04

I'm sure you supported Section 28 too. When it was legal.

Gone now.

Once again, false equivalence.

Whatafustercluck · 04/07/2025 11:11

I think non binary is bollocks and I have no time for it all, personally. But my first thought would be whether they're a good teacher. I wouldn't be looking at an alternative school. My SEN dd would find that change way more difficult to contend with than a non binary teacher. I might ask the school how they intend addressing it with the children, and I'd want reassurance that no agenda was going to be pushed. Learning to understand other people, and their beliefs, is just a part of life. We're not fans of religion in our house, but our approach is "some people believe in God, and we must respect that, even if we don't share that belief".

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:11

Leafstamp · 04/07/2025 11:00

It really won't be just about the title for this man! He will be infecting the school with gender ideology in all sorts of insidious, or not so insidious ways, including via other staff.

Infecting?????? LOL

Dropping spores, spreading germs. All very 28 days/weeks/months/years later.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:11

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:10

Actually, the way you've described it as fab. The kids will have a blast and as long as the teacher embraces the general silliness, it will be a bonding moment.

I'd love a teacher that silly for my DC.

You’re the type of person who risks their child’s safety in order to validate other adults.

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:12

borntobequiet · 04/07/2025 11:06

As far as I understand the meaning of “non binary” - and it doesn’t make any sense - it means “neither of one sex/gender nor the other” (conflating sex and gender).
So yes, they are claiming to have changed sex in some way.
If it’s “just” gender, it’s simply not conforming to societal sex stereotypes, so why does it demand a different title?

It’s all completely mad.

The same reason Ms calls for an alternative.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:12

Whatafustercluck · 04/07/2025 11:11

I think non binary is bollocks and I have no time for it all, personally. But my first thought would be whether they're a good teacher. I wouldn't be looking at an alternative school. My SEN dd would find that change way more difficult to contend with than a non binary teacher. I might ask the school how they intend addressing it with the children, and I'd want reassurance that no agenda was going to be pushed. Learning to understand other people, and their beliefs, is just a part of life. We're not fans of religion in our house, but our approach is "some people believe in God, and we must respect that, even if we don't share that belief".

I love this. We don't share a belief system but this is exactly my opinion about this matter.

Babyswearing · 04/07/2025 11:12

Rivertrudge · 04/07/2025 11:04

a) "pearl clutching" is misogynistic. What parallel insult do you use for men?

b) Yes, some people prefer different pronouns. That doesn’t mean everyone else, especially young children, should be forced to comply with and thus validate that preference.

A) ...also pearl clutching
B) I think it makes life very difficult if you'll only use the language of ideologies you agree with

Young children are learning hundreds of things a week at school. This only has to be a big deal if you make it one. I'd be much more concerned about whether this person was a good teacher, but each to their own I guess.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:12

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:11

You’re the type of person who risks their child’s safety in order to validate other adults.

Bollix. 😂😂😂

Rivertrudge · 04/07/2025 11:13

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:04

I'm sure you supported Section 28 too. When it was legal.

Gone now.

I know gender ideologues like to draw this parallel, but it’s a false analogy.

Sexual preference is hard to determine objectively. Biological sex isn’t - it is a fact, immutable, regardless of how a person feels, acts or identifies. Teaching young children that if a person doesn’t identify with the old-fashioned stereotypes of how males and females "should" feel or behave then they aren’t male or female is truly regressive and perpetuates those stereotypes.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:13

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:12

Bollix. 😂😂😂

You’ve already stated that you are a teacher, parent and once a child who has no experience of schools acknowledging the sex of staff and putting relevant safeguarding policies in place.

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:14

borntobequiet · 04/07/2025 11:09

It’s based on documented experience of other such teachers’ influence in schools up and down the country.

other people don't represent this person. Lumping everyone into one group is never useful.

PPPPikachu · 04/07/2025 11:15

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:06

I don't think I've ever had any experience, as a student or a parent or as a teacher, where a teacher has talked about their sex with their class.

You never had sex education?
Lessons where all the girls and boys were separated and talked to about puberty, periods etc?

Schools still have PSHE (or whatever it is) where they sometimes learn about things that are boy related or girl related.

A teacher doesn’t need to bring up their sex, until 5 minutes ago the whole world and their dog knew what sex everyone was!

(Which reminds me of a story of a TW pissed of that his gf’s dog didn’t like him, and couldn’t understand why, because he was a woman and the dog didn’t like men - oh to be alive in a time where dogs can be transphobic 🙄)

LegoNinjago · 04/07/2025 11:16

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 11:07

BUT you don't actually KNOW anyone's sex. You assume that a 'she' has a vag and grew her own boobs. She might not have either. I appear to have boobs but it's all foam and elastic 😂

Is this a serious question?

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:16

This is so so bizarre honestly. My DDs primary teacher is a male, using the pronouns Mr. Other white males have committed unspeakable acts of depravity towards children, does that mean he shouldn't be teaching children because of what other people in his demographic have done?

Never once has DD come home and said "by the way Mr X told me all about how masculinity influences his life choices and how it should affect mine".

Teachers are not routinely 'indoctrinating' primary school children with their own ideals.

saraclara · 04/07/2025 11:17

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:14

other people don't represent this person. Lumping everyone into one group is never useful.

Also no-one will have documented all the NB or trans teachers who have just got on with their job and not set out to influence anyone.

TimeFliesin2046 · 04/07/2025 11:18

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:16

This is so so bizarre honestly. My DDs primary teacher is a male, using the pronouns Mr. Other white males have committed unspeakable acts of depravity towards children, does that mean he shouldn't be teaching children because of what other people in his demographic have done?

Never once has DD come home and said "by the way Mr X told me all about how masculinity influences his life choices and how it should affect mine".

Teachers are not routinely 'indoctrinating' primary school children with their own ideals.

There's tons of examples of them doing just that. Of course, we don't know if this teacher is anything like that because he's new, but that's part of the OP's dilemma.

JimJimJam · 04/07/2025 11:18

TimeFliesin2046 · 04/07/2025 11:07

But we're talking about an autistic child here. People with autism often find it much harder to do this!

I have an autistic child myself and find they're typically very readily accepting of difference. I know all children are different and some might find it more confusing and hard to adapt to.

"Some people prefer to be called Mx instead of Mr or Ms or Mrs or Miss, and to be called "they" instead of "he" or "she""
Why?
"They just feel more comfortable and happy that way"

It doesn't have to be very complicated.

Honestly the idea people would actually be so outraged by this they'd actually pull their child out of school is hard to believe.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 04/07/2025 11:18

ThejoyofNC · 04/07/2025 07:39

I would 100% be moving school.

Anyone who is self obsessed enough to seek 'validation' from 6 year olds will find any and every opportunity to squeeze gender ideology into their teaching.

Absolutely. There will be a whole lesson indoctrination session on it, guaranteed. And consequences for anyone "getting it wrong"

borntobequiet · 04/07/2025 11:19

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:12

The same reason Ms calls for an alternative.

Women started using Ms many decades ago, as I did, because it’s a way of not flagging up marital status, which was important in the days when it might affect one in many aspects of life and work. It was important to me because as a single mother, both Mrs and Miss seemed inappropriate. (Those were the days in which being a single parent was genuinely frowned upon.)
I was always called Mrs in school, though, which I accepted without fuss, because it was convention.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:19

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:16

This is so so bizarre honestly. My DDs primary teacher is a male, using the pronouns Mr. Other white males have committed unspeakable acts of depravity towards children, does that mean he shouldn't be teaching children because of what other people in his demographic have done?

Never once has DD come home and said "by the way Mr X told me all about how masculinity influences his life choices and how it should affect mine".

Teachers are not routinely 'indoctrinating' primary school children with their own ideals.

The lack of safeguarding knowledge here in order to appear “right on” is just staggering.

Males are the biggest risk.

Males. White males, brown males, gay males, straight males, religious males, atheist males, males who wear trousers, males who wear dresses, males who pretend to be women, males who are overtly masculine

Males

Men

commit 98% of sex crimes and 80% of violent crime.

Stop pretending some males are less of a risk than others.

TimeFliesin2046 · 04/07/2025 11:19

JimJimJam · 04/07/2025 11:18

I have an autistic child myself and find they're typically very readily accepting of difference. I know all children are different and some might find it more confusing and hard to adapt to.

"Some people prefer to be called Mx instead of Mr or Ms or Mrs or Miss, and to be called "they" instead of "he" or "she""
Why?
"They just feel more comfortable and happy that way"

It doesn't have to be very complicated.

Honestly the idea people would actually be so outraged by this they'd actually pull their child out of school is hard to believe.

Yes, but as you will know, not all autistic kids are the same. A while ago, an autistic boy was arrested and charged with a hate crime because he quite innocently asked a non-binary police officer if they were a man or a woman!

I personally wouldn't be pulling my child out, but it's not fair to say the OP has no valid concerns.

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