Where is the money going to come from to meet the UK people expectations?

[Pandersmum]

So assuming that:

• everyone who receives disability benefits needs them and may actually believe they should be entitled to more
• pensioner benefits are non negotiable and again many believe they should be greater than current
• working people (most) believe they are already taxed highly and believe they cannot be taxed any more without further impact to their feeling of unfairness and resentment of the system
• it is unreasonable to expect young people with ADHD or other similar ND disorders / mental health challenges to work, even if they have qualifications and therefore they must be financially supported by the state
• Mental health challenges are very real in any age of person and therefore they must be financially supported by the state and if in work, by their employers
• rent (whatever level) should be supported by the state because it is a basic right to have a home
• NHS treatment (& the best treatment) should be free be all, no matter how expensive it is or whatever their age because people pay their taxes
• businesses are businesses and are there to make profits for their owners - therefore they can choose which country they operate in / pay their taxes in - if they don’t like the UK tax system, they can move somewhere else
• ’in work benefits’ are necessary to support ‘low paid workers, often in essential jobs’ to gain similar amounts of financial remuneration to those on benefits
• high net worth individuals can move if they don’t like the UK tax system

So just where is the money going to come from to fund the UK population of financial expectation of what the state should provide?

Yeah, it's very likely going to happen due to the birth rate decreasing. The majority of people reliant on the state are going to be pensioners. Lots and lots of pensioners, with very few net contributors to support them.

No I completely disagree. We need fewer people in the UK and we need more of them to be net contributors. I can't believe how many young people are unemployed and/or on sickness benefits. Not that there are decently paid jobs for them anyway (though there might be if there were fewer of them). And with the advance of AI that is only going to get worse. We can no longer rely on young people to financially support the old, too many of them need that support themselves.

We're fucked I tell you, fucked.

It is exorbitant but the pay is also better.

Then you are part of the problem.

I'm really sorry that you had no one to turn to when you needed help. That sounds utterly rubbish.

What's there to disagree with? The birth rate has declined whilst having an aging population. There's going to be tons of pensioners and not enough working age people to support them all. Nothing to disagree with there, it's fact. That will be the tipping point. It's projected in the next 10/15 years.

It's called late stage capitalism. Of course it's all fucked. Why would humans be getting more mentally healthy as the world they live in gets shittier...?

We are a bit but this was all foreseeable. Of course, jam today and more jam today won out. They will try more insane amounts of QE again before long rather than actually choose to face up to anything.

'Of course it's all fucked. Why would humans be getting more mentally healthy as the world they live in gets shittier...?'

Exactly. Someone gets it!
Btw, we haven't had Capitalism for a long time.

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees Although I don't disagree that less people would have been a good idea. The current generations have cottoned on. Hence the declining birth rate.

The current generations have cottoned on. Hence the declining birth rate.

I think it's brilliant that a lot of young people are really weighing up the pros and cons of having children.
I am so glad I only had one and can give her as much support as I can.

Australia is really quite big place you know, with varying house prices.
It all depends on what they're trading in. It's impossible to generalise as you have done.

I couldn't buy my London house selling my very nice, very large and close to the beach Melbourne house.

A GP has recently retired from the practice I'm in and is being replaced by two British GPs who are able to move into a metropolitan area.

The point was you won’t get the low-paid jobs done, because there won’t be people around to do them.

Which is when they stop being low paid jobs and the pay goes up.

Exactly

So if not capitalism? What is it?

Amazing isn't t? the run on UK Gilts has happened under right wing Tory Govt's.. Brexit and Truss..... where they trebled in just a few hours and the BOE had to print £65 billion... where DC pensions nose dived.... and still are struggling to make good their losses....

Yet those nasty socialist Govts in the EU have far lower bond yields & hence lower borrowing costs.

Excessive Govt borrowing is down to a failure to grow the economy and increase tax take... the Tories took debt to GDP of 68% in 2010 and "grew it" to 100% when they left office!!!
Yet somehow managed to run down every single public service... a lose lose!!

Yet its the socialists we have to be scared of....

Neoliberalism. Crony Capitalism.
Capitalism is where you have a positive return on capital and we have had interest rates below inflation for years after the GFC. Capitalism also involves markets being able to price in risk and people taking risk accepting that, if they make the wrong decision, they lose their capital. That clearly has not happened since the GFC. In fact, the opposite has happened, where the wealthy have been bailed out and others have suffered. You could say Socialism for the wealthy and Capitalism for everyone else! Moral hazard and leverage has been encouraged and it will bring down the whole system at some point imo.

That's not how it works! I'm assuming that neither you nor the poster below own a SME.

Hmmm did anything out of the ordinary happen during the last 14 years?

There are no socialist Governments in the eurozone.

It’s very simple. Government needs to start providing council homes, at an affordable price, for all.
Sub-letting of these (because people always try to trick the system) needs to become illegal, with excessive fines imposed on the sub-letters.
Government also needs to introduce a rent cap for private landlord owned property at a similar affordable price.
This would result in a spectacular fall in house prices and more people would be driven to rent, rather than buy.
Those who bought recently at higher prices would suffer until the property prices caught up though, and those who had already bought would naturally be sitting on a reduced asset, but the majority would be better off.
Full disclosure: I own a property with no mortgage, so I would be one of those “losing” asset value - but when I first moved here, my property cost 7 x less that what it is currently “worth” - it’s ludicrous!

If there’s ’no one left’ to do a job, then pay doesn’t go up for that job? Ok

Those governments are not "socialist". They still believe in the market economy

And even the Tories didn't like Truss.

As does Labour ... i was answering the pp who blamed the "socialists" for our ills.

Tories didn't like Truss? she was a Govt minister, selected by MPs to go through to the membership and defended v strongly by her cabinet.

but not liked lol!

They liked her enough to elect her as their leader.

How on earth did she become PM ?! 😫