Where is the money going to come from to meet the UK people expectations?

[Pandersmum]

So assuming that:

• everyone who receives disability benefits needs them and may actually believe they should be entitled to more
• pensioner benefits are non negotiable and again many believe they should be greater than current
• working people (most) believe they are already taxed highly and believe they cannot be taxed any more without further impact to their feeling of unfairness and resentment of the system
• it is unreasonable to expect young people with ADHD or other similar ND disorders / mental health challenges to work, even if they have qualifications and therefore they must be financially supported by the state
• Mental health challenges are very real in any age of person and therefore they must be financially supported by the state and if in work, by their employers
• rent (whatever level) should be supported by the state because it is a basic right to have a home
• NHS treatment (& the best treatment) should be free be all, no matter how expensive it is or whatever their age because people pay their taxes
• businesses are businesses and are there to make profits for their owners - therefore they can choose which country they operate in / pay their taxes in - if they don’t like the UK tax system, they can move somewhere else
• ’in work benefits’ are necessary to support ‘low paid workers, often in essential jobs’ to gain similar amounts of financial remuneration to those on benefits
• high net worth individuals can move if they don’t like the UK tax system

So just where is the money going to come from to fund the UK population of financial expectation of what the state should provide?

None.

I think that a full time (so a 37.5 hour week) on NMW should be enough to have a basic standard of living.
Sadly, the cost of living has a lot to answer for. Working 80 hours a week should not be the norm, or even celebrated. We work to live, not live to work.

This.

Doubtless you do but you haven't answered the point... Who pays for a decent society your children or the business person wants and very much needs?

We aren't equal, we don't all have the same skills/abilities or are in a relationship where one can support the other during re training.

And very few will have the sort of friends who can lend money.

When i re trained, due to unemployment, i had a grant from the state to go to college, those skills i learned enable me to earn a very good wage, buy a house, have a child and retire a little earlier.. that path out of poverty is no longer available.

No doubt due to people not wanting to pay taxes....

Oh aye, because the kid born into generational poverty and/or trauma in a deprived area has an equal opportunity in life to the kid born into the middle or upper class. I'm sure those two will be neck and neck in life, you see it all the time...

It turns out that that’s not true.

https://taxjustice.net/press/millionaire-exodus-did-not-occur-study-reveals/

Now, why would the opposite story be spread all over the internet I wonder? Who might benefit?

Much of the wealth is in assets and in land - bloody landlords, millionaire farmers using land ans a tax dodge, and the elite holding more grouse shoots than ever. That kind of thing is a bit difficult to take abroad.

Was supposed to quote this post.

Taxing the wealth worked damned well from the 1930s to end-of-war times. The trouble is it didn’t benefit the right people did it? Can’t have the plebs who do the actual work getting so above themselves.

Obviously I support improving the educational system and making sure everyone does well. But there are people born into abject poverty who thankfully manage to work hard and improve their life outcome.

DH and I didn't have much growing up in India. But we worked hard at school and at uni and have built a decent life in the UK now.

What many British people, born here and who have attempted to work up, are trying to tell you is that that path is utterly broken here now. I was born into nothing. I worked up. All taken by landlords.

And now, with no support available to do likewise, because our elite can import trained people from India any time they like, even those who look at me and think maybe they could do better are finding out that they really, really can’t. So others look and decide not to bother, when the local drug dealer offers more for rather less work.

Not only do I worry about the money for services etc in this country but I also worry about infrastructure and the workforce.

I read an article recently that shared how a lot of trained doctors are not considering the UK and preferring Aus, US etc because the pay and lifestyle is much better.

I live next door to trainee doctors from India and they told me they moved here from Singapore and once she’s completed her training, she will likely move back there. DH and I find this shocking, what a waste of funding for a much needed and highly competitive profession!

There are threads on here about newly qualified doctors and nurses not being able to get jobs here.
What changed? Years ago, both would have jobs lined up before they finished uni.

No, they’re choosing to move there because they don’t like the UK!

@WaryCrow Ha ha, taxjustice.net ?

It’s spread all over the internet because it’s going to lose a lot of tax revenue and it’s a fact.

Ft
https://www.ft.com/content/a578561c-05de-402b-8ba7-91f2d77c59f5

Standard
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/britain-lose-16500-millionaires-2025-b1234525.html

Independent
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-millionaires-non-dom-tax-rachel-reeves-b2775646.html

moneyweek
https://moneyweek.com/personal-finance/tax/where-rich-relocate-to

The rich will just up and leave if they're targeted for wealth taxes because they can. Every country borrows from the bond markets to finance their welfare states until the bond markets say no or a country defaults on its debt. This was the situation back in the day for Greece until the EU bailed them out. I have relatives in Argentina, a country which has defaulted on its debt several times. It's scary. Banks close their doors and the next morning all your savings are gone, stolen by the Government. The currency is worth nothing. Public servants, police, teachers, civil servants etc are not paid. Welfare and pensions are not paid. Careful what you wish for, socialists.

I read an article recently that shared how a lot of trained doctors are not considering the UK and preferring Aus, US etc because the pay and lifestyle is much better.

There's been a few threads on here about loads of med students graduating in Aug with no jobs to go to due to god knows what, lack of money, lack of general organisation? Who knows.

Honestly, I've never been a particularly glass half empty person but I think the UK is fucked. At some point the balance between people reliant on the state to live and people who are net contributors is going to dangerously tip us into chaos. I just hope it's after I'm long gone.

The medical staff going to OZ will find the cost of purchasing a property exorbitant.

I 1000% agree with your last paragraph. I god hope you are wrong, but I don’t have much hope. I’m mid 30s and I’m pretty terrified tbh

I thought you were planning to emigrate?

Unless you're VERY old - not a chance

My prognosis - Reform will get majority in 2029 (or get a few remaining Tory in bed) and do something similar to big beautiful bill, dismantle welfare and NHS. The less likely scenario - Labour will manage to stay somehow and we continue as is and run out of other people's money so still collapse of welfare in real terms. We're f..d in both cases.

And general cost of living, food and energy aren expensive, then there is the impact of global warming. I also read on one of the threads that Australia is prioritising its own students now and it’s not that easy to get decent medical contracts if you’re an immigrant.

No. There are no jobs. I work next to our student nurses - the work they have to do for no pay and a shitload of work would be a national scandal if most were not women, but … whole other thread. They are all being told there are no jobs for them. Because of cutbacks. No one is hiring.

Not because we don’t need health staff. We have some of the lowest per capita staffing in Europe. Because politicians are not prepared to pay for it. Why should they when men and middle class women are so eager to help push lower class women into slavery?

What was taken by landlords? If Indians are out competing you, be a better candidate then? Many I know who come here for education can't find jobs after due to sponsorship rules.

Way to show me you didn’t read my link or take in what it said.

”The media reporting – consisting of over 10,900 news pieces across print, broadcast and online news in 2024 – was primarily based on a report published by Henley & Partners1, a firm that sells golden passports to the superrich and advises governments on setting up such schemes.”

All the links you posted that I can access easily mention that one report.

We can all say ‘haha, you use a website I don’t like the look of’. It’s often said of left-leaning organisations that report on social issues. Boring.

To be a better candidate I need the level of training and resulting wages - a better social contract in fact - that internationals can access while not having to incur lifelong living costs myself.

Global marketplaces and an elite that has realised they have an international language meaning they can advertise for trained staff anywhere offering cheap exciting 5- year foreign travel experiences mean that competition from natives who have to pay to work just is not possible.