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Am I wrong for stopping ex from taking daughter on holiday?

98 replies

BusyLimeZebra · 28/06/2025 08:53

Please hear me out, I really need to know if I’m a monster!!

I have 3 children (DS 14, DS 10, DD 8) with my ex, and he is with a new partner with 1 child (6 years old).

My daughter’s Dad was due to go away with his new partner in September to meet their friends abroad. However, his partner couldn’t get her ex to look after her daughter for 2 nights, so when we were swapping over one day he told me they were bringing her daughter with them instead (he also mentioned how this was annoying and an inconvenience as it’s an adults trip). I was surprised that they’d take her daughter out of school, the first week back, instead of rearrange their trip.

Shortly after this, he suggests that our daughter comes along too and references her keeping the other child company. My daughter has been desperate for a holiday with him after her Dad, his new partner and her daughter went abroad in the summer, and she got very jealous (especially after he video called her and showed the pool / games room - she burst into tears after that call)

I said I wasn’t sure this was a good idea because of:
a) it’s the first week of Year 5
b) her brothers aren’t invited and would they be ok
c) our schedules would mean I don’t see her for 3 weeks

I explained my concerns but he had already told my daughter about the trip and sold her the dream about hiking Italian mountains, climbing, etc. His partner also showed her videos of all the things she could do there. He told me I’d be adding to her jealousy (as another holiday would happen with the step sibling without her) if I stopped her going. She was obviously set on going. I was furious when she came back and said ‘Daddy says you haven’t said yes to Italy yet’, it was totally unfair to put her and I in that position.

They are driving to Italy in their camper so there’s no flight/accommodation cost, and the dates are only set to be the ones they have because they are meeting friends (friends have no kids). I suggested they change the date to the week before (last week of summer hols) so all 3 kids could come, plus it’s his week with the kids. He wouldn’t change it because that wouldn’t align with his friends.

In the end I was backed into a corner but didn’t feel comfortable at all. I said I’d agree because I didn’t want to let her down but going forwards we’d need boundaries and decisions like this shouldn’t be made without me. I asked for mediation for a parenting plan, and he said no.

BUT, then two days later I found out the law had changed for term time holidays, that we’d both be fined, and it would mean any further trips with her brothers would warrant an increased fine / court action. I raised this within and he dismissed it, said I should do what I want and he should too, and any increase fines / court action are what they are. On top of everything else, this then tipped me over and I wasn’t comfortable with this at all, back tracked, and explained I wouldn’t support it. I have suggested neither of us take them out in term time so it’s fair. I have also explained to my daughter the legal implications and whilst she was upset, she understands. I felt like I had to tell her before she continued to get her hopes up, but perhaps I shouldn’t have done, I just didn’t want her to be getting excited about something I was felt I had to stop.

Once I told him I was not going to support it, he called me emotionally abusive, said I’m being controlling, that she has picked out clothes, and that I’m a horrible person and she will hate me. He said he will take me to court and blocked me. I really just don’t feel comfortable with it, but it seems if I have an opinion or disagree I’m a monster. I do feel like because I’ve done this he will try to turn her against me though.

There is much more to our coparent relationship and various problems, but I won’t bring that into this as I really want a neutral opinion on this and whether I’m being unfair.

Also one more thing - he has taken them on numerous holidays in the past (in the holidays) and I’ve always loved that they go with him, this is the first time in 5 years that I’ve ever disagreed on something like this.

If you’ve got to the end, please can someone advise if I’m in the wrong? Will court approve this? Will my daughter hate me?

I’ve tried to make the best decision with the facts I have, it’s so hard to know sometimes, but I’m open to being told I’m wrong. I really do just want to get it right by the kids, so please be honest!

OP posts:
GiveDogBone · 29/06/2025 18:43

It’s unhelpful you’ve changed your mind, even if for good reason.

You need to have a blanket rule with your ex: no holidays in school time (obviously you need to stick to it yourself). Send it to him in writing now, plenty of “pro-child” arguments on the internet you should include.

You are correct that you can both be fined, but if you write to the school and make clear you object to the holiday and have not given your permission for her to be taken out, that should cover it (my sister is a head teacher and gave me this advice). That will cover you, but put it in writing with them now. (It will also encourage them to not give permission for an absence).

Any court will laugh at him, particularly if the school won’t give permission.

Bowies · 29/06/2025 20:14

He wouldn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to taking her out of school for a holiday.

If you would consider taking your DC out another time, however YABU (possibly implied in your OP). You need to stick by not taking them out, all of the DC for the whole of school.

theonlygirl · 29/06/2025 20:51

It's bloody obvious they only want your DD to go so she can keep the other child company, while they enjoy adult time with the friends. Discussing it with her and showing her videos is sneaky and underhand. And now of course you are the bad guy for saying no. As your daughter has accepted not going, I would stick to that, mainly because it will massively spoil ex's holiday, but then I can be petty.

Rednotdead · 29/06/2025 22:05

My initial thought was that your ex and his partner want a babysitter for their six year old (?)

Shelby2010 · 29/06/2025 22:20

I vote that you let her go, otherwise it’s going to backfire on you massively. Especially as you already said yes. However I would put 2 conditions on it:

  1. He gives you the money for the fine up front.
  2. He agrees to swap some days so you don’t spend so long not seeing her.
It’s also fairly obvious that he hasn’t changed the dates because he doesn’t want to take all 3 kids with him. I imagine it would make the campervan very crowded.
OneFineDay13 · 29/06/2025 22:40

I can see why he is your ex and I would have done the same thing in your shoes. It sounds like he just wants the daughter to go to keep the younger child company

LilySLE · 29/06/2025 23:30

I have a role connected with a school. Obviously term time holiday is never a good idea, but the senior leadership team tell me that the first week of term in Sept is absolutely the WORST time for a child to be away as all the other kids are getting used to their new classroom, forming bonds with the new teacher (and each other, if the classes have been mixed), understanding the expectations set for the coming year etc.

FumingTRex · 29/06/2025 23:40

Nohing about this holiday has been planned in the interests of the children, its all about convenience for your ex. First week of term is the worst possible time. He’s blaming you for making her jealous, but what about her brothers ?

Iwantmypizza · 29/06/2025 23:49

The thing is, if it goes well and he decides to go every year it is going to cost you £££ in fines and possibly SS involvement. If it was a July holiday I'd maybe feel differently but I'd put my foot down for the first week of term, especially as he is leaving 2 DC out.

Blondeshavemorefun · 29/06/2025 23:55

if he paid his and your fine wouid you be happy for them to go

tho feel sorry for yours sons

can’t be take all the kids and lay all the charges

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/06/2025 00:00

Tho missing first week of new term /year is the worst week of be off. Kids make friends /where to sit etx

I wouid say no due to fine. Missing first week of year and brothers not invited

Calloja23 · 30/06/2025 04:25

I wouldn’t want to be separated from a child that young for three weeks. I also think it’s completely wrong to miss the first l week in a new school year which could impact her settling in. Seems to me your ex just wants to make life easier for himself by having a playmate for his partners child and it’s Wong that they discussed it with your daughter before properly discussing and agreeing it with you. I would not let her go.

Newnamehiwhodis · 30/06/2025 05:00

YANBU. He just wants her to go so she can babysit the other kid.
she deserves better than that.

MidnightScroller · 30/06/2025 05:21

It’s 2 nights, nice bonding for the girls, more manageable than taking all 4, gives your 10 yo space to settle in to secondary in peace, etc. Tell XH he has to buy the boys some very good presents but yes they can go. He must also pay the fine in full - not like you’d want to take kids out of secondary school anyway so surely it’d be a one off.

MercurialMouse · 30/06/2025 08:27

I would be pissed but I wouldn't have backtracked if I'd already said yes. I would agree with her dad that he'll have to reimburse you if you're fined and have VERY clear boundaries moving forward.

Longdarkcloud · 30/06/2025 15:46

I’d be concerned re the environment and possible safety issues. How reliable / responsible is your ex?
This will be an adult focussed holiday which may include the consumption of excessive alcohol. There will then be the temptation to rely on the girls to occupy themselves with a consequent absence of adequate supervision. Are they likely to be around water?
Dont allow yourself to be manipulated to agree to a holiday which is not child focussed on the ground that you are not a good mother. Your daughter has accepted the situation (which demonstrates you have a positive relationship with her) and if you change your mind again what is this saying to her about consistency, your ability to be easily persuaded despite your misgivings.

sprigatito · 30/06/2025 15:58

I would tell him that you will reconsider on three conditions: a) he covers any fine you receive, b) contact time is swapped around so you don’t go three weeks without seeing her, and c) from now on, any plans are discussed and agreed between the adults before they are mentioned to the children.

BusyLimeZebra · 30/06/2025 20:57

Shelby2010 · 29/06/2025 22:20

I vote that you let her go, otherwise it’s going to backfire on you massively. Especially as you already said yes. However I would put 2 conditions on it:

  1. He gives you the money for the fine up front.
  2. He agrees to swap some days so you don’t spend so long not seeing her.
It’s also fairly obvious that he hasn’t changed the dates because he doesn’t want to take all 3 kids with him. I imagine it would make the campervan very crowded.

I will be asking for this once we are at mediation (if he agrees to go). I just can’t tolerate how he speaks to me and how he has blamed me for all of this, so mediation is the only option!

Just to add, the only reason he won’t change the dates is because that’s the week his friends are there (they have no kids and my daughter doesn’t know them). This is a hiking / climbing trip and that’s what he is meeting them for. He isn’t even against the boys coming - the van is huge as he converted it himself, with enough space for them, but he has said if he changes the dates to accommodate the kids then they can’t see their adult friends.

OP posts:
pollymere · 01/07/2025 11:09

Um. The other DD should also be in school... How is he planning to avoid the horrendous fines for that? I imagine the Court would not be amused that he thinks it's acceptable for children to miss the first week of school.

Sometimes doing the right thing feels crap. Your DD needs to realise that you love her by being responsible. This means she can trust you to keep her safe. Although Dad wants to whisk away in a camper, it's very irresponsible because it's during school time, in a campervan, so he can visit his friends which will actually be very boring. He is romanticising the trip to get free entertainment for the other DD on an otherwise dull trip. He is being emotionally manipulative to both you and your DD.

PassingStranger · 01/07/2025 11:59

Have they all been away before?
Does your daughter want to miss the start of term, do you want her too? Will he pay the fine upfront?

The fact he's blocked you is a worry. Not of it seems to have been planned with her in mind.
Three weeks is a long time also not to see her.
To agree you and your daughter have got to be comfortable with everything.
It's not a problem changing your individual BTW when you have thought things through. Your the mum and main carer.

PissedOff2020 · 02/07/2025 10:47

How long is the trip? If less than 5 days off school don’t worry about the fine as it won’t happen. If it’s more can you compromise and get him return early to avoid the fine? Even if just by the skin of your teeth, like 4.5 days off.

The first few days of terms won’t matter for year 5. I’m taking my kids out at the start for the first time ever this year, they’ll be year 6 and year 9. My husband just had major surgery and we can’t go before, but it’s been a majorly difficult year due and we need a holiday to celebrate his recovery. They’re meant to go back on the Wednesday, they’ll go back the following Monday - 3 days each, so 6 session.

Ivyanna · 03/07/2025 11:45

Asides from all the other issues between saying yes or no I personally would want to consider the impact of her to missing first week of school when friendships are restablished after 6weeks apart, new teacher, routines etc especially for year 5 girl where hormones and emotions can be a real challenge.

MrsSunshine2b · 03/07/2025 13:56

I don't think you're being unreasonable, your objections are fair.

However, I would let her go as you've already said she can go and she's obviously excited.

If it's only for 2 nights, there won't be a fine- fines only apply for 5 days or more.

I'd also say that from now on, now term time holidays.

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