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Why do we still have so many apostrophes in English?

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:35

It takes so much longer to type anything on the phone.

Apostrophe's were originally in place to show two words shortened into one. But the shortened versions of the words have been in the English langauge for so long now, why do we need the apostrophes.

The word 'Dont' for example, is easily understandable, without an apostrophe.

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:30

Steelworks · 27/06/2025 21:28

But I do! Same for 'flu, short for influenza (but usually only handwriting).

Edited

You don't need it though.

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:31

proximalhumerous · 27/06/2025 21:29

And clearly you're an expert on all things grammatical and syntactical.

Just as much as you are.

You made a lot of grammar mistakes.

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JudgeJ · 27/06/2025 21:31

Cyclistmumgrandma · 27/06/2025 19:43

Because that is correct grammar.

As usual, people who can't cope with correct grammar choose to belittle its use.

queenofthesuburbs · 27/06/2025 21:33

Isn’t there a Dear John example where the positioning of commas completely changes the meaning, despite the same words being used?

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/06/2025 21:34

Steelworks · 27/06/2025 21:28

But I do! Same for 'flu, short for influenza (but usually only handwriting).

Edited

Interestingly, you don't need an apostrophe for words like flu or phone.

That's because they're classed as clipped words rather than contractions. There are words with the "clipped" part at the opposite end that make this clearer, like hippo instead of hippopotamus. You would't write hippo', so in the same way, you wouldn't write 'phone or 'flu.

I find it fascinating! I love the quirks of the English language.

JudgeJ · 27/06/2025 21:36

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:45

It was a long time ago.

Languages evolve. Apostrophes are inconvenient, and add time to typing

I don't think that any other language uses apostrophes, as much as English does.

In other languages the lack of apostrophes can lead to far more complex sentences, the amount of time needed to type one extra character is negligible by comparison.

proximalhumerous · 27/06/2025 21:36

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:29

That is completely incorrect.

They had!

I find it mad that you are making up abosolute shit.

Anyone can go back and read the thread and see that I am right, not you.

Ok, if you think I'm making up "abosolute" shit, point me to a post before your post of 19:50 (which is the one I quoted) where someone criticises the way your OP is written.

proximalhumerous · 27/06/2025 21:36

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 21:31

Just as much as you are.

You made a lot of grammar mistakes.

Such as?

queenofthesuburbs · 27/06/2025 21:37

I can’t understand what’s so difficult about using apostrophes; they come so naturally to me.
I also think that those who read a lot just absorb the use of the apostrophe by osmosis

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/06/2025 21:38

queenofthesuburbs · 27/06/2025 21:33

Isn’t there a Dear John example where the positioning of commas completely changes the meaning, despite the same words being used?

If this is the one you mean, it wasn't commas but punctuation in general. It's very clever!!

https://www.thoughtco.com/punctuation-matters-1691746

Punctuation Matters: a 'Dear John' Letter and a 2-Million-Dollar Comma

If you think that punctuation is unimportant, here are two short stories that just might change your mind.

https://www.thoughtco.com/punctuation-matters-1691746

proximalhumerous · 27/06/2025 21:38

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/06/2025 21:34

Interestingly, you don't need an apostrophe for words like flu or phone.

That's because they're classed as clipped words rather than contractions. There are words with the "clipped" part at the opposite end that make this clearer, like hippo instead of hippopotamus. You would't write hippo', so in the same way, you wouldn't write 'phone or 'flu.

I find it fascinating! I love the quirks of the English language.

It's seen as old-fashioned, and possibly now incorrect, but people definitely used to write 'flu and 'phone.

SnakesAndArrows · 27/06/2025 21:38

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 20:50

Should that last sentence have that many commas?

Yes.

Lancrelady80 · 27/06/2025 21:39

Yes, phone "correcting" me caused mistakes. I also said predictive and auto type should be improved, not that it made it okay to make those errors and therefore we shouldn't bother.

Ddakji · 27/06/2025 21:41

If you consistently use them correctly your phone knows to add them in in autocorrect. So I don’t have to type the apostrophe in don’t for my phone to add it in.

ImperialBlue · 27/06/2025 21:42

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 20:03

Eh we all know that.

What I'm saying is the contraction of the two words didn't always exist.

It was originay "I am", then they changed it to "I'm " to make it easier. Language evolves and changes.**

"I am" and "I'm" convey the same meaning. A person can write either form and it will be understood and will mean the same thing.

The phrase "I am" is still in common use, as are "do not", "would not", "should have", "cannot" and so on. The words "I'm", "don't", "wouldn't", "should've" and "can't" are the same words/phrases as those mentioned above. The apostrophes merely denote a contraction of the original word or phrase.

If the apostrophes were to be removed, then those contracted words would become entirely different words from the originals, so we would then have two different words/phrases that mean the same thing, rather than just the single word/phrase that we currently have, which we sometimes choose to contract and sometimes don't.

newrubylane · 27/06/2025 21:42

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:47

How come we use more than other languages do?

French uses loads of apostrophes!

columnatedruinsdomino · 27/06/2025 21:47

Won't is a funny one.

Steelworks · 27/06/2025 21:50

proximalhumerous · 27/06/2025 21:38

It's seen as old-fashioned, and possibly now incorrect, but people definitely used to write 'flu and 'phone.

… or in my case, still do (and I’m not in my eighties).

Didimum · 27/06/2025 21:51

A panda eats shoots and leaves …

GammonAndEgg · 27/06/2025 21:53

I used to date an apostrophe but he was too possessive.

proximalhumerous · 27/06/2025 21:54

columnatedruinsdomino · 27/06/2025 21:47

Won't is a funny one.

I rather like the Scottish "amn't".

Pinty · 27/06/2025 22:01

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:47

How come we use more than other languages do?

There are more in English because most European languages don't use them to show possession unlike in English We might say 'my dad's car "whereas in Spanish it would be 'el coche de mi papá" or in French ' la voiture de mon père"
The literal translation is 'the car of my father:
So the apostrophe allows us to say something in three words that takes five words in other languages.
The apostrophe can also change the meaning of a word.

Pinty · 27/06/2025 22:06

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:51

But how is it "correct English".

When the word 'It's' evolved from two words 'It is'.

Languages evolve along the way. There is no single correct version

It's isn't a separate word though it is two words shortened.

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 22:07

SnakesAndArrows · 27/06/2025 21:38

Yes.

No.

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LillyPJ · 27/06/2025 22:12

Apostrophes that show omission (wouldn't, can't, we're etc) often eventually lose the apostrophe. That's why we have phone and not 'phone or bus and not 'bus. We have plenty of words that were originally two, like fortnight (was fourteen nights) or alright and they probably had apostrophes at one time. It just takes a long time to lose them because we generally don't like change.

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